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Retina display will come!!! Trust me

iPad will get retina display mark my words. Why?
1.) Engadget doesn't know anything. No one knew how much ram there was on the iPad until iFixit tore it down. And even with a stolen iPhone 4 all they could say was "uhh, I think the display is sharper".
2.) Competition has higher display quality, Apple would not fall behind. Plus Apple only has 1 chance to strike each year.
3.) They just payed 7.9 BILLION to Samsung!!! That's gotta be a huge order of Retina Displays
4.) We had rumors saying the new GPUs are capable of supporting 2X resolution. Also, new screen parts appeared that were more expensive
5.) Last year, Apple said they could lower the price of the iPad if the market does not respond well, also late last year, Apple said they expect to take a cut on the profit margins like they did with the Macbook Airs (why is MBA so successful? Because no one can match its price/quality with an SSD inside) Why am I saying all this, because Apple can afford to put the Retina Display on the iPad 2.
 
Btw, I want to propose a conspiracy theory.

Is it possible some of these rumour mills actually work together with apple. In a sense, they purposefully rumour about less-impressive specs so that when apple does put on some cool specs it looks COOL?

i.e. we're supposed to be like "oh ok 512", and then when it comes out with 1gb, we're supposed to go "OMG no way 1 gb!!!", where in truth, had we not had our expectations set to 512, then 1gb would be like "yah, whatever, 1gb, sounds right".

Btw... I'm not actually serious :D But it would be fun if apple did on purpose release boring rumours.
 
What, was Apple supposed to over-engineer this brand new product that most in the media and even on this very website swore would be an utter failure?

Over engineer? No. Give us features they knew were coming in iPhone 4? Yes. Jobs got up on stage and said that iPhone 4 took 18 months to create. That means they knew a full year before the iPad announcement what the iPhone 4 would have. Yet they chose to deliberately hold back the iPad.

And who thought the iPad would fail? When it was announced at $499, just about everyone wanted one.

Sure, that hog Honeycomb needs a ton of resources and a gig of RAM just to be buggy and inadequate at launch (read the reviews) but did Motorola or Samsung have any vision or take any risk with their me-too tablets? Out of proportion specs and not much else seems to be their main selling point, as usual. That's worked out well for them so far, hasn't it?

Who said anything about Android devices?

Have you used an iPad with 256MB of RAM? Compared it to the iPhone 4's performance? The iPad is noticeably slower and has issues with apps crashing out upon leaving or closing the app due to RAM limitations. Multi-tasking isn't nearly as smooth.

Even if Apple didn't want to give us cameras, all while knowing "FaceTime" would launch with the iPhone 4, they could have at least given us 512MB of RAM. Even the B&N NOOKcolor has 512MB of RAM.

For the record, nobody outside of the 2% geek community is disappointed with the iPad's performance. People are still being blown away by it at this very moment, and the customer satisfaction ratings have been consistently through the roof.

I don't know who your "nobody" is, but I've seen plenty of people who have been less than impressed with the iPad. I just recently showed a close friend and after a few minutes of playing with it she said "this is basically just a big iPod touch, isn't it?". When she was talking to her sister about it, she described it as a "big iPod touch". And having owned an iPad since launch day last year, I could do nothing but agree. All of the arguments people used at first to say the iPad was more than a big iPod touch are simply not true. The "almost full size keyboard" is practically useless unless you're a slow typer on a real keyboard. It eats up too much screen real estate and you have to position yourself in awkward positions to be able to comfortably use it. And still actually see what you're typing since your hands and the keyboard itself take up your entire field of view otherwise. And Apple claims so many tens of thousands of apps specifically for the iPad, yet I'm still wondering where all of the good ones are.

Basically, iPad is only appealing because its neat and new.

But one has to wonder, how many people who bought the iPad didn't already own an Apple product? How many iPads were first Apple products for some people? Probably low single digit percentage of all iPads sold so far.

And, out of all of the iPads sold so far, I have never seen one used in public outside of an Apple Store. Not once. I've seen Kindles, I've seen nooks, I've seen more netbooks and full notebook computers than I can count. But never once have I seen someone in public, other than myself, using an iPad.

iPad will get retina display mark my words. Why?
1.) Engadget doesn't know anything. No one knew how much ram there was on the iPad until iFixit tore it down. And even with a stolen iPhone 4 all they could say was "uhh, I think the display is sharper".
2.) Competition has higher display quality, Apple would not fall behind. Plus Apple only has 1 chance to strike each year.
3.) They just payed 7.9 BILLION to Samsung!!! That's gotta be a huge order of Retina Displays
4.) We had rumors saying the new GPUs are capable of supporting 2X resolution. Also, new screen parts appeared that were more expensive
5.) Last year, Apple said they could lower the price of the iPad if the market does not respond well, also late last year, Apple said they expect to take a cut on the profit margins like they did with the Macbook Airs (why is MBA so successful? Because no one can match its price/quality with an SSD inside) Why am I saying all this, because Apple can afford to put the Retina Display on the iPad 2.

iPad 2 will NOT get a "Retina Display". Mobile GPUs that can handle that sort of resolution are not yet ready for the type of mass production that iPad 2 will require. Not to mention the fact that Apple would need more than 1GB of RAM to run that sort of resolution, as the frame buffer itself just to display the UI would require 256MB of RAM or more, and that doesn't even take games into account.
 
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iPad will get retina display mark my words. Why?
1.) Engadget doesn't know anything. No one knew how much ram there was on the iPad until iFixit tore it down. And even with a stolen iPhone 4 all they could say was "uhh, I think the display is sharper".
2.) Competition has higher display quality, Apple would not fall behind. Plus Apple only has 1 chance to strike each year.
3.) They just payed 7.9 BILLION to Samsung!!! That's gotta be a huge order of Retina Displays
4.) We had rumors saying the new GPUs are capable of supporting 2X resolution. Also, new screen parts appeared that were more expensive
5.) Last year, Apple said they could lower the price of the iPad if the market does not respond well, also late last year, Apple said they expect to take a cut on the profit margins like they did with the Macbook Airs (why is MBA so successful? Because no one can match its price/quality with an SSD inside) Why am I saying all this, because Apple can afford to put the Retina Display on the iPad 2.

I'm not religious, but if I were I'd be praying that you're right. I want an iPad, but I ain't getting one till it gets retina. So I realeeeee hope iPad 2 has it. It would suck having to wait till 2012 to get an iPad.
 
It would once again piss me off if the iPad has less RAM than the new iPhone. The iPad is a bigger device that is suppose to do MORE but is crippled with less RAM.
One thing I NEVER hear is that the iPad is too slow for what people use it for, just as I NEVER hear that it craps out because it can't run PhotoShop filters and download the latest OS beta in the background while playing a game in the foreground.
Maybe there ARE people who buy a tablet for the same reason that people rationalize buying Ford F-150 pickups for home use: you can get a quarter ton of sand for the kids' sandbox, take your dirt bikes to the mountains, never mind that it busts your butt to ride it for more than 45 minutes at a time.

But most people shopping for a tablet just want a quick'n'easy way to watch vids, scan their email, browse their friends' facebook pages. Something convenient, lightweight and not too pricey. And that is exactly what Apple had a surprise runaway hit with in 2010. I'll bet not one person in 10 ever bumped into a situation where a web page took too long to reload because there wasn't enough RAM, while 9 out of 10 wouldn't have bought it if it cost another $200 for some capacity they'll never know they're missing.

And if people DON'T want an iPad2 that's just as easy to use, maybe more flexible with a camera or two, with more choices in media and greater ease of getting your music and etc while you're on the go, at the same reasonable price level, Apple has suddenly turned clueless after understanding consumers better than all the other tech firms in the world put together.

I predict Apple ups the processor (especially graphics), ups the battery life, ups the RAM a bit, while adding 2 cameras. A total parts cost of maybe $50-$75 to fully match or beat Xoom hardware. They'll highlight a bunch of ease-of-use/ecosystem/software features that Android doesn't have (especially apps, media and a cloud music system). All this while holding the line on the base model's price and knocking $100 off the tricked-out model, leaving Moto (and other prospective competitors) looking about $200-$400 over-priced and with some future promise of Flash and potential Android upgrades as their only selling points.

Moto, HP and RIM all have fine engineers, but they have collectively ZERO million tablets sold over which to spread their costs of fine-tuning power-management, squeezing multiple apps into available memory, getting the best camera drivers and making big commitments to lock up the best components. Apple can just get more effective gear for a lower cost.

Apple wants this market, all of it. The only risk to my forecast is that they don't think they need to do all of my checkbox items to own it.
 
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I Think So!

I'm not religious, but if I were I'd be praying that you're right. I want an iPad, but I ain't getting one till it gets retina. So I realeeeee hope iPad 2 has it. It would suck having to wait till 2012 to get an iPad.

Plus the invite image has a clear section with more pixels as someone else already pointed out. Think about it, even if they take a hit in the profit margin, they would sell so many more iPads, they'd be a monopoly. No one will be able to respond for like 2-3 years.
 
I don't see Apple announcing iOS 5 at the event. iOS 5 will not ship in time for iPad 2, so they will not want to give consumers any hint that they should wait to purchase iPad 2.

My event prediction:

1. iPad 2
2. iOS 4.3 touted/previewed including demos from major AirPlay-ready app developers
3. MobileMe becomes free

iOS 5 will be previewed at a developer event at Cupertino in Late March or April (after iPad 2 ships) just like all the years before. I wouldn't be surprised if iPad 2 ships on March 18 and Apple holds an iOS SDK event the last week of March.

Apple keynote events usually last 1.5 hours. If all they talk about is what you mentioned that won't even come close to lasting an hour let alone 1.5 hours.
 
iPad 2 will NOT get a "Retina Display". Mobile GPUs that can handle that sort of resolution are not yet ready for the type of mass production that iPad 2 will require. Not to mention the fact that Apple would need more than 1GB of RAM to run that sort of resolution, as the frame buffer itself just to display the UI would require 256MB of RAM or more, and that doesn't even take games into account.

Do you know the story of the "original gameboy"? At its time it was impossible to make a gameboy with that many pixels with the mobile processors and GPUs they had at the time. But they figured out a way to move whole objects instead of each pixel at a time. Kind of similar to pixel doubling. CPU and GPU will be more than enough.
 
It would once again piss me off if the iPad has less RAM than the new iPhone. The iPad is a bigger device that is suppose to do MORE but is crippled with less RAM.

The iPad has several times more standby battery life than an iPhone with 3G turned on. Guess 1 of the 3 major reasons why?
 
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Doesnt anybody else notice that one side has few dots (pixels) while the other side has double the dots?!? I think we will get the retina display still!

ZOMG!!1! And did anyone notice that there are more red dots on the retina side?! That must mean that the iPad with retina display must be able to display reds better!!!!1!ONE!

:rolleyes:
 
A few people have said they haven't seen an iPad in public. I was at an event last weekend and there were 3 iPads in the two rows around me. I didn't see any Xooms, TouchPads, Tabs or Playbooks. It is a fact that they have sold millions already and the fact that a person doesn't see one is irrelevant. I know several iPad 1 owners that love the device and use it at work and home.
 
Plus the invite image has a clear section with more pixels as someone else already pointed out. Think about it, even if they take a hit in the profit margin, they would sell so many more iPads, they'd be a monopoly. No one will be able to respond for like 2-3 years.

Ya. And I know this is going to sound all conspiratorial... But I actually think a lot of the people going on random forums to talk about how its cathegorically impossible for it to have retina, seem really suspicious to me. I'd assume they're apple employees sent to make retina when launched appear like this OMG the did it - type of news story.

The retina display went from all the experts talking about how its very doable (for a few months), to everyone saying how its technologically impossible, to us getting reports everyone else is doing it (competitors)... So how is it impossible technically if others are doing it this very year?

Then even the people who say its impossible now, say it will be commonplace in 2012? Does... not... compute. Every technology that's "possible in a year" can be made "possible this year" if you have enough incentive and drive to make it happen. Including things such as cutting profit margins to kill off competition etc...

Apple is screwed on the tablet monopoly if they don't update display... So I don't believe the whole "omg, retina display is impossible and AIDS will be cured before we put retina on an iPad" crowd. That kind of exaggeration is just mighty suspicious. You'd think we're discussing sending people to mars.
 
A few people have said they haven't seen an iPad in public. I was at an event last weekend and there were 3 iPads in the two rows around me. I didn't see any Xooms, TouchPads, Tabs or Playbooks. It is a fact that they have sold millions already and the fact that a person doesn't see one is irrelevant. I know several iPad 1 owners that love the device and use it at work and home.

Was this a blind person? Or were you in a different planet? iPads are EVERYWHERE!!! Some people are so addicted to it, I see them using it while crossing the street, lol, so dangerous.
 
One thing I NEVER hear is that the iPad is too slow for what people use it for, just as I NEVER hear that it craps out because it can't run PhotoShop filters and download the latest OS beta in the background while playing a game in the foreground.
Maybe there ARE people who buy a tablet for the same reason that people rationalize buying Ford F-150 pickups for home use: you can get a quarter ton of sand for the kids' sandbox, take your dirt bikes to the mountains, never mind that it busts your butt to ride it for more than 45 minutes at a time.

But most people shopping for a tablet just want a quick'n'easy way to watch vids, scan their email, browse their friends' facebook pages. Something convenient, lightweight and not too pricey. And that is exactly what Apple had a surprise runaway hit with in 2010. I'll bet not one person in 10 ever bumped into a situation where a web page took too long to reload because there wasn't enough RAM, while 9 out of 10 wouldn't have bought it if it cost another $200 for some capacity they'll never know they're missing.

And if people DON'T want an iPad2 that's just as easy to use, maybe more flexible with a camera or two, with more choices in media and greater ease of getting your music and etc while you're on the go, at the same reasonable price level, Apple has suddenly turned clueless after understanding consumers better than all the other tech firms in the world put together.

I predict Apple ups the processor (especially graphics), ups the battery life, ups the RAM a bit, while adding 2 cameras. A total parts cost of maybe $50-$75 to fully match or beat Xoom hardware. They'll highlight a bunch of ease-of-use/ecosystem/software features that Android doesn't have (especially apps, media and a cloud music system). All this while holding the line on the base model's price and knocking $100 off the tricked-out model, leaving Moto (and other prospective competitors) looking about $200-$400 over-priced and with some future promise of Flash and potential Android upgrades as their only selling points.

Moto, HP and RIM all have fine engineers, but they have collectively ZERO million tablets sold over which to spread their costs of fine-tuning power-management, squeezing multiple apps into available memory, getting the best camera drivers and making big commitments to lock up the best components. Apple can just get more effective gear for a lower cost.

Apple wants this market, all of it. The only risk to my forecast is that they don't think they need to do all of my checkbox items to own it.

Winner, winner chicken dinner. You nailed it.
 
I don't see why everybody is so upset with these specs it seems to be in line with most other tablets and the only real thing its missing is the Retina Display(meaningless marketing tool) and to tell the truth that that rumor just got out of hand. However I am rather hoping that iOS 5 destroys Honeycomb and brings iOS ahead of the game.

It's not in line with other tablets. It has half the RAM of XOOM and CPU/GPU performance is yet to be seen (but it is unlikely that it will be on par with Tegra 2). Also, XOOM as higher resolution. So, XOOM actually has better spec all around.
 
forced some changes at the eleventh hour

I highly doubt that. They are just not admitting that their source was wrong, and just blaming Apple for changing it at the last minute. I would think that this kind of change (removing an sd card slot AND a retina display) and having both the new software and hardware ready and tested for release would be absolutely huge to pull off at the eleventh hour.
 
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News just keeps on coming wow lol. iPhone 5 already? Yikes. What to do with my 4?
 
Then even the people who say its impossible now, say it will be commonplace in 2012? Does... not... compute. Every technology that's "possible in a year" can be made "possible this year" if you have enough incentive and drive to make it happen. Including things such as cutting profit margins to kill off competition etc...

Chips have roadmaps that go out years. Next years chips can't be pulled in significantly for any amount of money, since billions are already being invested in the fabs for this years newest chips. In fact the opposite more often occurs. Even after investing mega-millions, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, et.al. occasionally end up shipping some new CPU or GPU late.

So you want next years GPU this year... good luck with that.
 
There won't be a retina display.

It was pretty obvious from the very start that there wouldn't be a retina display on the iPad2. The people that claimed otherwise were hoping for a miracle, and it's just not going to happen.

Why?

Just look at the facts. No laptop on the market has a screen even close to the retina in pixel density. And these are computers that sell for 2-3x the price of an iPad. If it becomes economical enough to put such a screen on the iPad (and the associated GPU, CPU, battery, etc.), then it would have been just as economical to put such a screen on a new laptop. In fact, if it was possible, it would have appeared on a laptop years ago since they sell at a much higher price point. But to this day, no laptop display has this capability, not even the new macbook pros.

It's just not possible.
 
One thing I NEVER hear is that the iPad is too slow for what people use it for, just as I NEVER hear that it craps out because it can't run PhotoShop filters and download the latest OS beta in the background while playing a game in the foreground.
Maybe there ARE people who buy a tablet for the same reason that people rationalize buying Ford F-150 pickups for home use: you can get a quarter ton of sand for the kids' sandbox, take your dirt bikes to the mountains, never mind that it busts your butt to ride it for more than 45 minutes at a time.

But most people shopping for a tablet just want a quick'n'easy way to watch vids, scan their email, browse their friends' facebook pages. Something convenient, lightweight and not too pricey. And that is exactly what Apple had a surprise runaway hit with in 2010. I'll bet not one person in 10 ever bumped into a situation where a web page took too long to reload because there wasn't enough RAM, while 9 out of 10 wouldn't have bought it if it cost another $200 for some capacity they'll never know they're missing.

And if people DON'T want an iPad2 that's just as easy to use, maybe more flexible with a camera or two, with more choices in media and greater ease of getting your music and etc while you're on the go, at the same reasonable price level, Apple has suddenly turned clueless after understanding consumers better than all the other tech firms in the world put together.

I predict Apple ups the processor (especially graphics), ups the battery life, ups the RAM a bit, while adding 2 cameras. A total parts cost of maybe $50-$75 to fully match or beat Xoom hardware. They'll highlight a bunch of ease-of-use/ecosystem/software features that Android doesn't have (especially apps, media and a cloud music system). All this while holding the line on the base model's price and knocking $100 off the tricked-out model, leaving Moto (and other prospective competitors) looking about $200-$400 over-priced and with some future promise of Flash and potential Android upgrades as their only selling points.

Moto, HP and RIM all have fine engineers, but they have collectively ZERO million tablets sold over which to spread their costs of fine-tuning power-management, squeezing multiple apps into available memory, getting the best camera drivers and making big commitments to lock up the best components. Apple can just get more effective gear for a lower cost.

Apple wants this market, all of it. The only risk to my forecast is that they don't think they need to do all of my checkbox items to own it.

iPad is slow in a lot of ways. Especially browsing or trying to type. This is going to sound silly, but a lot of websites on the iPad take 15-30 seconds to load. In the grand scheme of things, thats not very much time. But if you need to go through a few pages, that time can add up very quickly to a lot of time wasted waiting. Especially when a modern computer running a modern browser on any broadband connection can open, render, and display most websites nearly instantly. And other little things that are supposed to be neat UI tricks add to time wasted. Like page turns in iBooks. iPad's screen refreshes in mere milliseconds. Why do we need a page turn animation that is just as "slow" as a screen refresh on a Kindle 3?

Do you know the story of the "original gameboy"? At its time it was impossible to make a gameboy with that many pixels with the mobile processors and GPUs they had at the time. But they figured out a way to move whole objects instead of each pixel at a time. Kind of similar to pixel doubling. CPU and GPU will be more than enough.

Actually, if you go back to when the Game Boy was released, it was the least technically impressive device of its kind, aside from battery life. For instance, the Atari Lynx released just a couple of months after the Game Boy had a significantly more powerful GPU and color screen. Even though it failed spectacularly, it goes to show that the Game Boy was way behind the curve.

So my point still stands, there are no mobile GPUs ready for iPad like mass production that could handle a 3.1MP screen at reasonable frame-rates.
 
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