iPad 2 resolution will stay the same

[Eriamjh1138@DAN]

Is it possible that both Engadget and Gruber are right?

New iPad and iPad HD

I think the iPad HD could be much more than the regular iPad. This will cover the margin issue. It may be 32GB + HD screen for $699 or even $799.

And for anyone who doesn't think their eyes will notice the resolution bump on an iPad at such small size, think again. When I got my iPhone4, it made my 3GS look like CGA. I thought I was just getting old, but I can easily read much smaller print in my iP4's screen because it is so clear. Such it will be with the iPad.

It's like HD television. Once you see it, you will never want to go back to SD.

 

[dagamer34]

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"(There are 2048x1536 iPad prototypes in Cupertino. They’re not the iPad 2, though.)"

This makes sense to me. Of course there are whispers about a higher resolution display for the iPad, Apple works on products multiple generations out. Of course their internal app developers are creating double resolution graphics, it's a matter of when not if.

Leaks about products 2 generations out are very rare simply because I would expect that group of people working on them to be VERY small. Small enough that it would be comically easy to figure out who is opening their mouth for no good reason.

 

[URFloorMatt]

Technically they both could be right considering that resolution isn't technically a retina display. A 4x res of the current iPad is like 260ppi which is less than what Steve said is retina already (300ppi). So even if they did do a 4x pixel count it wouldn't be retina

This. I'm starting to think that Apple dubbed the iPhone 4 display "retina" solely because they knew it would cause mass confusion regarding future product strategy.

 

[emotion]

iOS 4.3 beta revealed iPad (2,1, 2,2, and 2,3).

2,1 and 2,2 are the wifi and combined gsm/cdma version. 1024x768 display (but bonded to glass to looks better). More aggressive pricing than current iPad.

2,3 is the iPad Pro and will have higher res display (the $220 priced part we've seen mention of). Premium price, possible later release date.

All my best guess

 

[Nothlit]

Technically they both could be right considering that resolution isn't technically a retina display. A 4x res of the current iPad is like 260ppi which is less than what Steve said is retina already (300ppi). So even if they did do a 4x pixel count it wouldn't be retina

The pixel density that determines whether a display is a "retina" display is not a hard number, and has a lot to do with the distance of the screen from your eye. The iPhone is typically held a bit closer to the eye, maybe 12 to 18 inches. Presumably, most people hold an iPad at about lap-distance, maybe 24 to 36 inches from their face. This means you could have a retina display on the iPad with a lower pixel density than the iPhone 4.

 

[derek1984]

If they release an iPad Pro or iPad HD, they will have my money.

 

[Bytor65]

As far as I'm concerned we're getting a retina display, simply for these three reasons:

Nope. You think it is coming because you want it. This is wishful thinking.

This was obviously in the "too good to be true" category.

It has been an interesting study in how many people depend on wishful thinking and throw healthy skepticism out the window if they want something to be true. Sad really and explains why so many people fall for scams.

Gruber should lays this to rest, he is about the MOST reliable source of Apple rumor info out there.

 

[emotion]

If they release an iPad Pro or iPad HD, they will have my money.

Even if it's £150/$200 more than the top-end current iPad?

 

[URFloorMatt]

Gruber should lays this to rest, he is about the MOST reliable source of Apple rumor info out there.

Problem is, he didn't tell us very much. The only thing he revealed in his post is this:

I asked around, and according to my sources, it is too good to be true: the iPad 2 does not have a retina display.

And this isn't much to go on.

 

[basesloaded190]

Nope. You think it is coming because you want it. This is wishful thinking.

This was obviously in the "too good to be true" category.

It has been an interesting study in how many people depend on wishful thinking and throw healthy skepticism out the window if they want something to be true. Sad really and explains why so many people fall for scams.

Gruber should lays this to rest, he is about the MOST reliable source of Apple rumor info out there.

Engadget has a pretty good track record as well to being spot on about leaks and rumors in the past so it should be as easy as you put it to totally dismiss what they have been hearing

 

[cvaldes]

If you looked at the iPad BOM estimate from iSuppli, it was rather evident that a higher-resolution display would not have been a good candidate, due to part cost.

Also, component suppliers are unable to provide enough of the current part. To expect them to double the resolution and increase yield is not very realistic at this time. Apple isn't even finished with their international rollout, according to yesterday's conference call.

It's a shame that tech bloggers don't use much logic in their analyses, but oh well, you get what you pay for.

 

[Jon03021]

It's quite simple really.
I hope they are brave enough, and not greedy NOW, to understand they need to perhaps take less profit short term to totally nail the competition and kill them in their tracks by blowing them away with the iPad2.

I think it's funny a lot of these comments sound like threats. it's like they think Apple researchers are reading this and saying "Oh no! They're right! What where we thinking!?"

Even if Apple updates with just a camera, faster internals and a slightly better screen(not double) they will continue their market lead. It will be a wonderful device to use. Apple is not under threat of anything and not upgrading to a high screen will not slow them down at all.

 

[MaxPower49]

I'm sure Apple leaked this rumor now, to calm down the hype and minimize disappointment when the iPad2 is actually announced (in 1024x768).

That was my initial thought as well. I’d love to see the higher resolution screen, but I don’t see them providing too many updates on one model (more memory, faster processor, 2 cameras, better speaker, SD slot, “retina” screen). After all, they have to save some upgrades so we’ll all buy another one next year… right? That seems to be how they roll.

Also, didn’t I read somewhere that the highest quality video in the itunes store is 720p, which would leave black bars on top, bottom, and sides of the rumored “retina” ipad 2 screen?

 

[spotlight07]

No one, no one has ever delivered let alone made a retina like display in a 10 size.

Yet, even Gruber says:

"There are 2048 × 1536 iPad prototypes in Cupertino."

 

[ghost187]

Here Is Something 2 Consider!

Last year, before the iPad was released, preorders were big on the first day and fell flat till the the iPad came out, and sales picked up once people saw the device. But before the release, it seemed iPad may have disappointing sales, and Apple reported that the iPad was priced aggressively but a price discount was a possibility if sales were slow (like the original iPhone). This was an official statement from Apple.

My point is, with proven sales, and going for volume, plus Android's Mammoth CES 2011 Presence (call it vapor all you want), Retina Display iPad is the only thing Android OEMs won't match.

 

[Jacquesass]

Sad news if true. I want an iPad mainly for reading, probably 50/50 web content (for which the old display is OK) and technical journals (high-res PDF's for which the old display is inadequate).

If the display is higher-res, I'm in line on launch day. If not, I sit out another year. Like many of the other posters mentioned, the iPhone 4 spoiled me on what to expect from handheld displays.

 

[0815]

I think it's funny a lot of these comments sound like threats. it's like they think Apple researchers are reading this and saying "Oh no! They're right! What where we thinking!?"

Even if Apple updates with just a camera, faster internals and a slightly better screen(not double) they will continue their market lead. It will be a wonderful device to use. Apple is not under threat of anything and not upgrading to a high screen will not slow them down at all.

Whenever the second generation iPad is coming - I'm going to buy it. I know they build good products and they will add some cool stuff. Higher resolution display would be nice, but it's not a must (might get too expensive). I enjoy the iPad1 and I know it will get even better - and there are many people ready to buy the next generation one, because they all know it will be better (not making the decision based on a specific feature).

 

[newConvert]

I'm hoping for the higher rez, especially for reading, would make it amazing.

But perhaps they are both right, in that increasing the resolution 4 x might not technically (however apple wants to define it) make it "retina" as its not over the 300dpi (I know you generaly hold it further away..). So you see, both could be right, since the 4x ppi is like 260ish, under "retina" but we still get increased resolution!

Haha, atleast I hope.

 

[URFloorMatt]

That was my initial thought as well. I’d love to see the higher resolution screen, but I don’t see them providing too many updates on one model (more memory, faster processor, 2 cameras, better speaker, SD slot, “retina” screen). After all, they have to save some upgrades so we’ll all buy another one next year… right? That seems to be how they roll.

Not really. Next year is the easiest year Apple will ever have. They could change nothing in the iPad or the iPhone besides adding LTE and sell millions of each.

 

[colmaclean]

The only thing that would make me upgrade to iPad 2 would be a new hi-res screen. Apart from the cameras (got an iPhone, so don't care), the other mooted changes will only offer small improvements on what is in iPad 1.

 

[jb1280]

My point is, with proven sales, and going for volume, plus Android's Mammoth CES 2011 Presence (call it vapor all you want), Retina Display iPad is the only thing Android OEMs won't match.

Why do people keep insisting that a super-high resolution display is the only thing to save iPad from an alleged onslaught of Android tablets? Did the retina display save the iPhone from the Android attack?

There are a number of things that Apple can do to continue dominance in the tablet market.

First is price. Do we know what the price of many forthcoming tablets will actually be? Will all have wifi only models that are not attached to an expensive data plan? Should Apple keep the current $499 iPad and drop it to $399, I believe that other manufacturers are going to just scream.

Second is value-added software. When iPad was released, Apple demonstrated a bunch of integrated and available software that made sure there was functionality beyond just a web browser, calendar, media, and video clients. Apple made sure that there was an ebook platform and a light productivity suite. What would happen if Apple released iLife for iOS?

Beyond the browser, email, and whatnot that has been demonstrated on Honeycomb, what software titles are Android tablets going to be able to run with all that high-end hardware they have? Who is going to make the great presentation software or spreadsheet or word processor? Google? the OEM? Microsoft?

Your average consumer tends to like this integrated stuff that Apple offers.

Third is simple marketing. Apple has thrown its entire marketing weight behind iPad. It is in Apple retail stores, large chain stores, available online, and through telecom companies. In the retail outlets and the telecom outlets there are specific iPad sections, while on their websites there is the generic "tablet" section. Forthcoming OEMs are going to have to distinguish their product from iPad and from other OEMs somehow - and hardware specs and OS are not going to do it.

If Apple keeps the price where it is (or lower), continues to build value into iOS software, and keeps the message super simple about iPad, it is going to take an exceptionally compelling device to overthrow it.

HP is probably the most viable competitor to iPad, but they need to actually start selling devices.

 

[damage00]

It's not "doubling"

I wish the media would quit referring to this as resolution doubling, it's not. "Resolution" is a product of the linear dimensions and refers to the total number of pixels. Doubling the dimensions quadruples the resolution.

10 x 10 = 100 right? Let's "double" it: 20 x 20 = 400. That's 4 times the number of pixels, eh?

This is important because a single pixel on the current iPad would need four pixels on the suggested newer pad, not just two. It more accurately gives you an idea of the additional memory and graphics processing power that would be needed.

 

[Stetrain]

Leaks about products 2 generations out are very rare simply because I would expect that group of people working on them to be VERY small. Small enough that it would be comically easy to figure out who is opening their mouth for no good reason.

Somebody has to be gearing up to make these screens. I read recently that Apple began working with LG on the retina display for the iPhone 4 about two years in advance.

 

[deeddawg]

"Resolution" is a product of the linear dimensions and refers to the total number of pixels. Doubling the dimensions quadruples the resolution.

No, resolution is a linear measure and always has been. c.f. Resolving Power

Digital camera marketing departments have confused the issue with camera megapixel counts being claimed as "resolution" when they're not. A doubling of pixels in a sensor or display is a sqrt(2) increase in linear resolution. A doubling of linear resolution, as you note, quadruples the pixels.

 

[fertilized-egg]

I wish the media would quit referring to this as resolution doubling, it's not. "Resolution" is a product of the linear dimensions and refers to the total number of pixels.

Actually that's not completely correct. In visual applications (lens' resolving power, screen resolution), when they refer to "resolution" they usually mean "linear resolution." Thus it's actually not a wrong thing to say the iPad has doubled the resolution because the linear resolution has indeed been doubled. If you're talking about the pixel density then you're right.

Somebody has to be gearing up to make these screens. I read recently that Apple began working with LG on the retina display for the iPhone 4 about two years in advance.

I read that too. An LG executive said "late 2008."