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iPad 2 to Match iPhone 4's 512 MB of RAM?
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SHAMEFUL it is not 1GB
Is Apple wanting Android Tablets to roll over them? In 1 year, 1GB and 2GB will be STANDARD.
You do understand, don't you, that memory requirements reflect the efficiency of the OS, right?
The issue isn't stats, but user experience.
If iOS is more efficiency, both on its own, and in how it manages external memory for swapping, then I as a user am better off with less expensive hardware requirements and a more efficient OS.
The biggest failure of Apple's competitors and defenders is simply pointing to hardware stats and claiming that as the final word on quality.
The only reason I want more RAM is because I dont want Safari to keep reloading ever ****ing time I switch between tabs...
512MB would do, but for a jailbroken iPad 2 with a bunch of tweaks enabled, I prefer 1GB to keep Safari blazing fast and never having to refresh.
Im 80% sure its 512, hoping for 1gb, but if its 256 still I am going to be so disappointed.. I want the iPad 2 so bad, hearing that its 256 will just crush me -.-
512MB would do, but for a jailbroken iPad 2 with a bunch of tweaks enabled, I prefer 1GB to keep Safari blazing fast and never having to refresh.
Im 80% sure its 512, hoping for 1gb, but if its 256 still I am going to be so disappointed.. I want the iPad 2 so bad, hearing that its 256 will just crush me -.-
Considering most competitors have 1GB of RAM in their tablets, even 512MB is low.
1GB already is pretty much standard. See the engadget article comparing the iPad2 vs the competition:
I know RAM isn't everything, but I SERIOUSLY doubt adding an extra 512MB will make things more expensive or hurt either Apple or the consumer in any way.
1GB already is pretty much standard. See the engadget article comparing the iPad2 vs the competition:
I know RAM isn't everything, but I SERIOUSLY doubt adding an extra 512MB will make things more expensive or hurt either Apple or the consumer in any way.
Oh, now you've done it. The RAM lovers will be along shortly to point out how dumb and unknowledgeable you are.
re: $500 a year to upgrade
You sure don't have to work for Apple to realize that YES, plenty of people WILL plunk down that kind of money each year to have the latest and greatest revision of the iPad!
I just checked my local Craigslist "for sale" section yesterday, and there were at least 10 or 12 iPads up for sale all of a sudden. Clearly, most of these people are trying to upgrade.
It's not about expecting it to "last more than a year". It's like anything else... A lot of people just want to own the best version of the products they like, use and enjoy. If you don't upgrade, sure ... your revision 1 iPad will still work just fine running all the things you already installed on it. It'll work as well as it always did as an eBook reader, a music player, etc. etc. But some people are going to say, "Hey... I've been waiting for MONTHS for Apple to add a camera to this thing, and now I can finally get one I can do a video-chat on!", or "Hey, I can use this to edit my video now instead of having to use my laptop for that. I'll upgrade for that!"
ALL computer equipment depreciates rapidly. You can either decide to get as much use as possible out of whatever you bought, knowing it'll be worthless when you're through with it, or you can cycle the things out every 1-2 years so you still have some resale value to recoup towards investing in the newest revisions. Either way, I suspect you actually spend a similar amount over the long-run, either buying new at full price every 3-4 years, or buying new every year for maybe $200 or so more than you paid initially, after resale.
You sure don't have to work for Apple to realize that YES, plenty of people WILL plunk down that kind of money each year to have the latest and greatest revision of the iPad!
I just checked my local Craigslist "for sale" section yesterday, and there were at least 10 or 12 iPads up for sale all of a sudden. Clearly, most of these people are trying to upgrade.
It's not about expecting it to "last more than a year". It's like anything else... A lot of people just want to own the best version of the products they like, use and enjoy. If you don't upgrade, sure ... your revision 1 iPad will still work just fine running all the things you already installed on it. It'll work as well as it always did as an eBook reader, a music player, etc. etc. But some people are going to say, "Hey... I've been waiting for MONTHS for Apple to add a camera to this thing, and now I can finally get one I can do a video-chat on!", or "Hey, I can use this to edit my video now instead of having to use my laptop for that. I'll upgrade for that!"
ALL computer equipment depreciates rapidly. You can either decide to get as much use as possible out of whatever you bought, knowing it'll be worthless when you're through with it, or you can cycle the things out every 1-2 years so you still have some resale value to recoup towards investing in the newest revisions. Either way, I suspect you actually spend a similar amount over the long-run, either buying new at full price every 3-4 years, or buying new every year for maybe $200 or so more than you paid initially, after resale.
Go back and read the last paragraph of the original article.
It states:
All of my comments are ultimately in response to that statement. 256 RAM *will* hinder the user experience and THAT will ALSO be a "limiting factor" for purchasers -- there's no point in buying it at ANY cost if it doesn't have sufficient memory to be deliver the level of "magic" experience that Apple advertises around it.
Look at the hard-fact numbers that I posted previously about how 256 MB RAM is mostly consumed by the OS even with no applications running. If the OS takes the most of the OS, then it will be a dog when doing much of anything interesting with built-in apps, let alone 3rd-party apps which can be exceptionally memory hungry.
It isn't that the device cannot work with only 256 MB of RAM. It's that the user experience will be that it will be dog slow when working with more than one app or with a large document or many pages in Safari -- just like the user experience on an iPhone 3G was piss poor due to the OS taking more physical RAM than the device had, so even just the base OS was having to swap.
I'm really hoping that the rumour that the iPad 2 might only have 256 MB proves to be false, because at 256 MB it's would already be too limited on memory and that problem will ONLY get worse when newer versions of iOS and more advanced applications come out.
At 512 MB, the iPad 2 would have at least half of the memory free when iOS 4.3 ships.
So your alternative would be for Apple to put in 2G of RAM right now for no other reason than to have 'mine is bigger' bragging rights, and charge an extra $500 for the device, and no real improvement in user experience?
This paranoia about 'planned obsolescence' is getting old.
Companies produce the product they're able to at a price people will pay.
Put away the tin foil hat.
Orange™;12049326 said:Every time I see your posts, it's a criticism of Apple. Care to tell us why you spend so much time on a website when all you do is criticize the company this website is based on? There's a term for users like that, I won't say it though as we all know what that term is.
Also, why are you so angry all of the time, it's just a product made by Apple(that will outsell all the others like crazy), who cares how much ram it has, if it works superbly. I guess I would complain too if I wanted to have 36 tabs open just so I could have something to bitch about.
Also, wtf is up with your Sig? Against Terms of Use to spout your Conservative retardation. Where are the mods.
Some people around here think it's cool to be anti-Apple. This guy has apparently made it his mission. Everyone's a "fanboi" to this type. Yet they spend most of their waking hours in this Apple oriented web forum. Lying in wait to be one of the first to post in the main (news) forum threads. All because HE wants attention. It's kinda funny and very annoying.
I understand Apple sells the user experience, but I don't want to pay 500 more dollars for something that doesn't have technology built into it. The UE may be great but is it really worth the money?
The proliferation of new members bashing Apple makes me wonder if there is some boiler room action going on here.
JohnG
Tenured members are bashing Apple. Sometimes they deserve it a little bit. I love Apple's products and software, but as time goes on, I'm loving them less as a company.
This is MacRumors, not MacFanboys. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. (This is not @ the op). All you guys who get nasty and childish because someone says something critical make yourselves look bad.
My issue with Apple is these slow incremental updates. It works for them. People get every new model of everything just to have the latest, when it's a tiny bump each time.
The people who bought the iPhone 1&2 should all remember the sting when you're phones had support dropped, new apps were useless to you, and updates made your phones almost unusuable because they didn't have the innards to run them. Within a short window of time.
This is going to be everyone who bought the iPad 1 by the time the 3 or 4 rolls. RAM is CHEAP. (Unless you by it from Apple.com for 3 times the price and think it's somehow better because Apple sold it to you). 1 Gig would have future proofed this device a little longer. Developers are crippled with how complex they can make some apps. IOS is good at using resources, but it's also why features are lacking in it too
What does that even mean?
If it had 1023MB of RAM, does that have "technology built into it"? 1022? 1021?
At what point between 1GB and 512MB does the "technology" get squeezed out?
SHAMEFUL it is not 1GB
Is Apple wanting Android Tablets to roll over them? In 1 year, 1GB and 2GB will be STANDARD.
And no one will care.
Specs are fine but user satisfaction is what counts. 2 GB on a ipad for what, what would be the reason?
If all you want is spec then don't get Apple products I am sure lots of other companies can give you that and make you smile even as you can't get much done with them.
I can't see how Apple did not put 512mb into their new ipad but I don't expect if they did that the next version iPad 3 will have 1GB not if Apple wants to push programer to have nice clean efficient code.
A very profitable "joke" for Apple. If you look at the used prices, a lot of people are trading up every year for a lot less than $500 per annum for their iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads. Some people who sold their 3GS's got their i4's for a zero up front annual cash outlay (not counting cellular service).
If I were a betting man, I would say it has at least 512. 256 would work fine for now, but what about in the future? Plus, some of the stuff they were showing in the demos (Photobooth with something like 12 effects rendering in real time?) would for sure take more than 256. 512 seem pretty logical here.
every time i see your posts, it's a criticism of apple. Care to tell us why you spend so much time on a website when all you do is criticize the company this website is based on? There's a term for users like that, i won't say it though as we all know what that term is.
Also, why are you so angry all of the time, it's just a product made by apple(that will outsell all the others like crazy), who cares how much ram it has, if it works superbly. I guess i would complain too if i wanted to have 36 tabs open just so i could have something to bitch about.
Also, wtf is up with your sig? Against terms of use to spout your conservative retardation. Where are the mods.
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What does that even mean?
If it had 1023MB of RAM, does that have "technology built into it"? 1022? 1021?
At what point between 1GB and 512MB does the "technology" get squeezed out?
Means exactly that. Will this last me more than 6 months or will Apple release a new iPad 3 and the one more thing be, nothing previous to that is supported. Apple does it all the time.
I don't know how much RAM the thing has, but having now watched Engadget's videos, my iPhone 4 feels like it's running in treacle.
You, Sir, couldn't be more wrong. iOS is based on UNIX and it absolutely does use virtual memory and there *ARE* page-in/page-outs, especially in low-memory conditions.
You can see for yourself. Just launch iStat or another utility that reports memory usage and page-in/page-outs.
As an example, the page-in/page-out numbers are off the chart on an iPhone 3G (128 MB) running iOS even just after a fresh reboot with really nothing running.
The shortage of memory vs. the relative bloat of iOS 4 is *why* that platform is so slow. It's already out of memory just by booting the OS--there's no available RAM for apps without swapping--hence it's DOG SLOW.
The same will be true of any iOS device once the OS memory footprint approaches/exceeds the physical RAM of the device.
My point is 256 MB is already only allowing between 68-93 MB available for apps.
That ratio is only going to get worse as iOS features are added in newer versions, which means the user experience will get progressively worse the longer the user owns the device.
With 512 MB at least the device would have a little more than half of the memory free and that's a far better starting point when buying a new device that one might hope will be useful for more than a few months!
I want mine to be useful for at least a year and then still useful as a "hand-me-down" to someone else even after I've upgraded.
Again, let's hope the rumour that the iPad 2 w/256 MB RAM is false.
Let's hope it has 512 MB -- then it will perform well for a good long many months to come.
Yes, shame on them for releasing improved new products. They should really be concerned about not hurting your feelings.
They release new products, and you complain that they conspired to make your product obsolete.
They don't release new products, and you complain that Android/WP7/WebOS/RIM/etc. are pwning them in specs.
And what's the actual standby battery life on all those other devices?
How many apps are available for them? Which ones can run the huge app Infinity Blade?
Which ones can I buy this month for under $750?
Well said I bought and Ipad 4 months ago and have no intentions of getting a new one now, I can wait a year or two this idea that I need to have bragging rights makes no sense.
Mine works fine
, everything for the most part is fast and smooth, so I can't see needing to upgrade now. Actually I am sure I can wait for when ever the Retina comes out and then get that one. I was watching some show yesterday on the Ipad 1 and was smooth and looked good. Its a tool for people not a toy, but I guess some people are fixated on having bragging rights. For those people I saw Apple products is not for you, I recommend MS Windows world.