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iPad 3 to have tactile display? (VIDEO)

sand_man said:
Could make pr0n interesting :eek:
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Please, that would require someone to program the textures of various bits. Just like smell-o-vision, not likely worth it. Although that has disturbing implications. If haptic interface like this can sense pressure and thus "texture" input it could be taught what human flesh feels like (the AIs learn we not only smell but are rather slimy and squishy).

Less naughty would be the ability to put you're hand to the glass and feel the other person's hand on the other end of a video call. A much nicer "awww..." momment for a parent out on the road away during bedtime story time.
 
Dorje Sylas said:
Please, that would require someone to program the textures of various bits. Just like smell-o-vision, not likely worth it. Although that has disturbing implications. If haptic interface like this can sense pressure and thus "texture" input it could be taught what human flesh feels like (the AIs learn we not only smell but are rather slimy and squishy).

Less naughty would be the ability to put you're hand to the glass and feel the other person's hand on the other end of a video call. A much nicer "awww..." momment for a parent out on the road away during bedtime story time.
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yep this tech could really be "amazing" and "magical" as steve would have said ^^
 
Zweimeter said:
Certainly we all should be ready for a disappointment, because obviously none of us can be 100% sure this will be implemented!
But even if I didn't knew about the existence of such technology, I would be disappointed in Apple, if they think higher resolution and better guts are enough to defend their throne. The iPad 3 presumably has to stand it's ground for one year to come. And nobody should underestimate Windows 8 tablets. It has a really promising UI that has many features missing in iOS. It's e.g. designed to be used primarily with your thumbs, which seems to make navigating around the OS faster and more enjoyable. Plus you can open two apps side by side and access content related menus by swiping from the edge. Well at least the videos look promising. (e.g. http://gizmodo.com/5882797/designing-windows-8-or-how-to-redesign-a-religion )

This may not drive existing consumers away from iPad, but it will certainly not only grab the attention of new customers looking for tablets, but of those looking for notebooks/PCs too. After all, Windows 8 is a fully fledged OS that you can even use with mouse and keyboard.
As Tim Cook said, tablets will outsell the PC. This will likely be true, but when it comes to new customers, especially old Windows users will tend to buy Windows 8 tablets. And those are a lot.

So now let's assume we get all those nice swiping features in iOS 6 and have the retina display. By christmas, you'll have Windows 8 tablets with FullHD 16:9 screen, even faster CPU and better GPU, more RAM and so on.
An iPad 3 would seem to, if at all, only be on par with it or, at least specs wise, be inferior. And even if spec numbers don't really matter, higher ones certainly do seem better for the average customer. And they may ask, "Why would I need more than FullHD?". This all needs to be considered, and I haven't even mentioned the Nexus tablet or the next Kindle Fire.

This is tough competition and the number of potentially new customers is friggin' huge.
And, to come back to our topic, Senseg has certainly talked to other tablet manufacturers too. As borgqueenx has found out, Senseg was even attending CES this year, showing their technology to Apples competition. So obviously this, if at all, isn't going to be an iPad exclusive. It's probably going to be seen on other tablets and as the Senseg guy said at CES, probably by Christmas 2012.

No matter how good the new AppleTV integration will be and the retina display may look, it isn't enough. And it would be a shame to see a fundamental paradigm shift, like the ability to not only touch, but feel digital content, feel the internet, for the first time in history, on a device that is not made by the company who made this all possible in the first place - Apple.
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I am very intrigued by the term "and Touch.".I think it means something other then just the ipad is "touchable". Maybe that term would have worked on the original iPad, I think it's a bit redundant for a 3rd generation "touch" panel device. And not very creative or Apple like. But with that being said, I am not getting my hopes up too high for a haptic feedback display, or even a device with some sort of smart bezel that supports gestures, or a home button that changes position with the orientation of the device. Your logic seems to make sense at first glance.."Apple has to stay ahead of the curve since the iPad 3 will be around for an entire year. Surely 6 months from now there will be a lot of tablets with displays and specs that will eclipse that of the iPad 3. They HAVE to come up with something special and unique that will hold the consumers attention for the next year"...Or do they?

People were using the EXACT same logic last year when the iPhone 5 was being rumored to replace the 4. There was NO WAY Apple would be so stupid as to replace the 4 with a 4S that looked just like the 4..People were tired of looking at the 4's design, the screen was too small, etc. No way with technology advancing as fast as it was with the competition that Apple would only spec bump the 4 and expect it to do well for an entire year. Well, guess what? We only got the 4S with a 3.5" screen & the same exact form factor as the 4. We got Siri, and a better camera. And even with those seemingly minor upgrades, the 4S still shattered records and continues to sell like crazy.

So if the iPad 3 ONLY got a retina display and a spec bump. And everything else stayed the exact same as iPad 2, I still think it would be a MUCH bigger upgrade then the iPhone 4 vs 4S. Apple isn't worried about implementing some HUGE, groundbreaking technology into the iPad 3 in order to make it relavant for the next 12 months. No matter what happens Wednesday it will still break records come launch day.

I for one would LOVE if Apple has some huge surprise in store for us come Wednesday. And a lot of the fun is taking that event invitation and any other info/rumors we have and dissecting them leading to the announcment. Why do the icons look so big? Why is the hand so small? What does "And Touch" really mean? Where is the home button? etc. etc. Apple is brillant and deliberate with causing our imaginations to run wild leading up to the event. I follow a lot of new tech, but Apple product launches are really the only technology that I REALLY get excited for. I will be following the event minute by minute and it can't come quick enough. But I am not expecting some major surprise. Although you never know with Apple. That's the beauty of their marketing and product launches.
 
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sulpfiction said:
I am very intrigued by the term "and Touch.".I think it means something other then just the ipad is "touchable". Maybe that term would have worked on the original iPad, I think it's a bit redundant for a 3rd generation "touch" panel device. And not very creative or Apple like. But with that being said, I am not getting my hopes up too high for a haptic feedback display, or even a device with some sort of smart bezel that supports gestures, or a home button that changes position with the orientation of the device. Your logic seems to make sense at first glance.."Apple has to stay ahead of the curve since the iPad 3 will be around for an entire year. Surely 6 months from now there will be a lot of tablets with displays and specs that will eclipse that of the iPad 3. They HAVE to come up with something special and unique that will hold the consumers attention for the next year"...Or do they?

People were using the EXACT same logic last year when the iPhone 5 was being rumored to replace the 4. There was NO WAY Apple would be so stupid as to replace the 4 with a 4S that looked just like the 4..People were tired of looking at the 4's design, the screen was too small, etc. No way with technology advancing as fast as it was with the competition that Apple would only spec bump the 4 and expect it to do well for an entire year. Well, guess what? We only got the 4S with a 3.5" screen & the same exact form factor as the 4. We got Siri, and a better camera. And even with those seemingly minor upgrades, the 4S still shattered records and continues to sell like crazy.

So if the iPad 3 ONLY got a retina display and a spec bump. And everything stayed the exact same, I still think it would be a MUCH bigger upgrade then the iPhone 4 vs 4S. Apple isn't worried about implementing some HUGE, groundbreaking technology into the iPad 3 in order to make it relavant for the next 12 months. No matter what happens Wednesday it will still break records come launch day.

I for one would LOVE if Apple has some huge surprise in store for us come Wednesday. And a lot of the fun is taking that event invitation and any other info/rumors we have and dissecting them leading to the announcment. Why do the icons look so big? Why is the hand so small? What does "And Touch" really mean? Where is the home button? etc. etc. Apple is brillant and deliberate with causing our imaginations to run wild leading up to the event. I follow a lot of new tech, but Apple product launches are really the only technology that I REALLY get excited for. I will be following the event minute by minute and it can't come quick enough. But I am not expecting some major surprise. Although you never know with Apple. That's the beauty of their marketing and product launches.
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i understand why you're saying this. I was not that much exited for the 4s upgrade, but got it either way. point is that no phone beats the iphone 4s. usally they are close to 3gs-4. And iOS is stress free, works like a charm, to many games and apps, unlike windows and android.

But tablets are another story. The ONLY advantage the ipad 3 will have(if its only upgraded with retina and better gpu, cpu and ram) is iOS. Wich will make alot of people stick to it. But right now the transformer prime is almost better then the ipad 2. The ipad 3 will kick its but im sure of, but within 3 months something with on-par performance will come out(spec wise). And within 6 months, competition will get better benchmarks. THATS the point when alot of people will go to android. Because even when it runs crappy software, the specs and other stuff makes it worth the switch.
Its still a guess, but my mind tells me we cannot expect the rogue 6 series GPU from powerVR and the A15 architecture CPU in the new ipad3.
If that wont be included, competition is near.
 
sulpfiction said:
I don't know why everyone is thinking this post is some exciting revelation. It's been discussed in multiple threads.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._haptic_feedback_for_multi_touch_devices.html
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That looks entirely different to what the OP linked to. The initial post was about a textured display; the ability to define sandpaper over cloth just by moving your finger over the flat/smooth display, not the ability - or at least limited - to feeling the clicking of buttons and scroll wheels.

The initial post linked to a video the described the technology as electrostatic, something that could repel and attract the finger to define texture. It appears there are two versions of haptic feedback.
 
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To those who think the word "TOUCH" just means touching the iPad...

NEWS FLASH!!!

We've been touching the iPad since 2010. Theres nothing new about that. The word "TOUCH" means more than that. It may not be referring to the technology being discussed in this thread, but Apple has something up there sleeve definitely.

Thats my bet.

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sulpfiction said:
I don't know why everyone is thinking this post is some exciting revelation. It's been discussed in multiple threads.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._haptic_feedback_for_multi_touch_devices.html
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That is not the same as what is being discussed here. I dont even care to have that.
 
qCzar said:
That looks entirely different to what the OP linked to. The initial post was about a textured display; the ability to define sandpaper over cloth just by moving your finger over the flat/smooth display, not the ability - or at least limited - to feeling the clicking of buttons and scroll wheels.

The initial post linked to a video the described the technology as electrostatic, something that could repel and attract the finger to define texture. It appears there are two versions of haptic feedback.
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Whatever the case, it's a very similar technology. Hey, I'm all for something new and exciting...And I'll be the first one in line for it. But im not getting too overly excited for some big surprise. Although, the "and touch" still has me quite intrigued...But so did the supposed iPhone 5 cases that came out just before the 4S was launched. I was SURE we were in for a surprise back then too. Even though there was NOTHING else ever leaked from parts mfgs/suppliers to support a redesigned iPhone. I was disappointed to say the least. I kept waiting for that "one more thing". And when the keynote was over, I remember being really disappointed and let down. Then I got up at 3 in the morning to pre-order the 4S.
 
Identity Fraud said:
I'd like it if the iPad 3 would respond to touch pressure, it would make painting apps that much more functional.
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mmm - makes you wonder why they decked the venue out this this?

yerbabuenafinal.jpg
 
sulpfiction said:
Whatever the case, it's a very similar technology. Hey, I'm all for something new and exciting...And I'll be the first one in line for it. But im not getting too overly excited for some big surprise. Although, the "and touch" still has me quite intrigued...But so did the supposed iPhone 5 cases that came out just before the 4S was launched. I was SURE we were in for a surprise back then too. Even though there was NOTHING else ever leaked from parts mfgs/suppliers to support a redesigned iPhone. I was disappointed to say the least. I kept waiting for that "one more thing". And when the keynote was over, I remember being really disappointed and let down. Then I got up at 3 in the morning to pre-order the 4S.
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The "iphone5 cases" weren't pictured on the invitation to the event, nor were they sold by Apple. Get ready for the "iPad Touch"
 
TaKashMoney said:
I think this is very interesting and extremely fun to speculate. I did think that the invitation was a bit strange when I first saw it given Apple's tendency to subtly hint at new features. The invite shows an iPad. Obviously people can assume that the announcement will be iPad related, and obviously iPads have touch screens. Why waste the extra copy?

Maybe the product will be available immediately for the media to test. But this hardly seems revolutionary, given that this ALWAYS happens at their media events.

Further hope for haptic technology can be linked to the following Apple Patent back in June 2010 http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._haptic_feedback_for_multi_touch_devices.html

Clearly, Apple is investing in the technology.

Unfortunately, to me, the biggest argument against the inclusion of this tech in the iPad 3 (besides no rumors or hardware leaks about it) is the argument of incremental upgrades.

The iPad is already the dominant product in the market and the only competitive strategy for the other companies has been to undercut with price (by losing functionality). The Kindle Fire is the low hanging fruit, to the higher perched Apple. Very few companies seem to be innovating in the high-end tablet market.

Apple realizes it can innovate very little from product generation to generation and still break sales records. A retina display, a faster processor, and improved cameras are all they need to do and maybe all they should do (from a profit margin standpoint).

Looking at the iPhone's hardware upgrades we have:

1) Product release - iPhone 1
2) iPhone 3g - hardware redesign, 3g Data speeds, increased HD capacity
3) 3Gs- Faster processor, increased RAM, improved camera, Video camera, digital compass
4) 4 - hardware redesign, faster processor, increased RAM, improved camera, 720p video, front camera, retina display,
5) 4s- faster processor, increased RAM, improved camera, 1080p video, Siri

*Major hardware additions in bold

The iPad 3 is already widely regarded to have: faster processor, increased RAM, improved camera, 1080p video, retina display, 4g data speeds, Siri

This is shaping up to be one of the best upgrades in Apple history. I have my doubts that haptic technology will be thrown in as well.
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Keep in mind that the iPad is a more expensive product than an iPhone since it is not subsidized. If they want to set a precedent where people will dish out $500+ every 2 years, they are going to have to make the upgrades more significant than something akin to the 4 > 4S. The majority of people (and the people on this forum do not fall into this category), do not feel the need to upgrade their iPad as often as a phone. Most people consider the iPad upgrade schedule to be similar to their computer upgrade schedule (every ~4 years) unless apple is able to break out something "magical" with each yearly release. A retina display on an iPad may be beautiful, but people have seen high resolution screens before. Practically nobody has seen or used tactile feedback, and it is something so unique that I think it would convince current iPad owners to upgrade.
 
cheesesteak22 said:
Keep in mind that the iPad is a more expensive product than an iPhone since it is not subsidized. If they want to set a precedent where people will dish out $500+ every 2 years, they are going to have to make the upgrades more significant than something akin to the 4 > 4S. The majority of people (and the people on this forum do not fall into this category), do not feel the need to upgrade their iPad as often as a phone. Most people consider the iPad upgrade schedule to be similar to their computer upgrade schedule (every ~4 years) unless apple is able to break out something "magical" with each yearly release. A retina display on an iPad may be beautiful, but people have seen high resolution screens before. Practically nobody has seen or used tactile feedback, and it is something so unique that I think it would convince current iPad owners to upgrade.
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This is a really good point. But you said it yourself, Apple might place iPads in similar categories as Macs, and expect users to upgrade much less frequently. I certainly wouldn't say that recent Mac upgrades have been very "magical." Ultimately, I think it comes down to maintaining market share against increased competition while maintaining high profit margins. It makes more business sense to do as little as possible per upgrade as long as they feel they can stay slightly ahead of the pack. Recent product releases have only reinforced this. It seems like no matter what Apple releases, they still manage record quarters.

That being said, I hope you are right and I am wrong. I would LOVE to see some tactile feedback.
 
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The Mac updates have been lackluster since the MacBook Pro line was redesigned. I was disappointed by the air. They need to update the look of their product
 
I don't know who's excited about touching sandpaper. I'd like to touch something soft.

Do we have the ability to feel water? Now THAT would be cool!
 
cheesesteak22 said:
If they want to set a precedent where people will dish out $500+ every 2 years, they are going to have to make the upgrades more significant than something akin to the 4 > 4S. The majority of people (and the people on this forum do not fall into this category), do not feel the need to upgrade their iPad as often as a phone. ....Practically nobody has seen or used tactile feedback, and it is something so unique that I think it would convince current iPad owners to upgrade.
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Apple's primary goal isn't to get iPad owners to upgrade. Their goal is to get non-iPad owners to buy iPads. An iPad 1 owner is already a win in their book. By making the iPad increasingly intriguing by adding more tech and higher specs, they'll get new customers and get people to upgrade at the same time.
 
The Senseg technology definitely won't be in the iPad 3. If it was, it would have been in development long before that CNET video and Apple sure as hell wouldn't have allowed CNET to get their hands on it.

Apple may well have their own technology which might appear, but I think the whole "see and touch" thing is much more likely to be a reference to Apple TV - see the TV and touch the iPad3 (its interface)
 
cheesesteak22 said:
Keep in mind that the iPad is a more expensive product than an iPhone since it is not subsidized. If they want to set a precedent where people will dish out $500+ every 2 years, they are going to have to make the upgrades more significant than something akin to the 4 > 4S. The majority of people (and the people on this forum do not fall into this category), do not feel the need to upgrade their iPad as often as a phone. Most people consider the iPad upgrade schedule to be similar to their computer upgrade schedule (every ~4 years) unless apple is able to break out something "magical" with each yearly release. A retina display on an iPad may be beautiful, but people have seen high resolution screens before. Practically nobody has seen or used tactile feedback, and it is something so unique that I think it would convince current iPad owners to upgrade.
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maclook said:
Apple's primary goal isn't to get iPad owners to upgrade. Their goal is to get non-iPad owners to buy iPads. An iPad 1 owner is already a win in their book. By making the iPad increasingly intriguing by adding more tech and higher specs, they'll get new customers and get people to upgrade at the same time.
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I think you both make good points but that both of you are right. Apple does consider it a "win" if you just buy an iPad, but once you're hooked, I'm sure they would like to get some more gravy from you. Plus, iPads are becoming more and more like personal computers in the sense that you can get one for each member of the family so that you don't have to share it. Thus, a good solid upgrade would help ensure that more iPads get sold each year to the same family.
 
The OP is a legend for spotting this. I personally think there's something in it...

Something you have to SEE = Retina Display

and TOUCH = tactile display (since we've been touching the iPad screen for years now...)

I actually have butterflies for tomorrow now.
 
Tommorow is the big day. The tactile feedback wont be there. I feel the "to good to be true" feeling because it will get its awesome retina display.
 
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