IPad Air 2 to pro 9"7- GRUDGE purchase

[subjonas]

I really don't understand. When you buy a product, you are with complete clarity saying it is worth the price to you. No matter what you say with your words, how you spend your money reveals the greater truth. So what are you saying really? It was worth it but you wish you could have gotten it cheaper? Sure, we all do. You could have gotten it cheaper if Apple was nicer? Ok I think we can all agree with that. Apple SHOULD be nicer to you? Objectively, no. I think we all know they should do whatever they think they should (legally) in order to benefit themselves. Subjectively, yes, if they want your business (edit- actually they did get your business, so no). But this is where there is a spectrum of opinions because each person perceives differently regarding the value of money and the value of a product--in this case, the 9.7" iPad Pro.

On one end of the spectrum there are those that either put very low value on money, or put very high value on the device, or both. They will happily buy the iPP.

On the other end are the opposite people. They will happily not buy the iPP.

And in the middle are those who really have to struggle to decide if it's worth it. They are the ones who have to do some soul searching before they can come to a decision they can live with happily.

But some never do. Those people either never buy the product but continue to debate and wonder if they should, or they buy the product but continue to complain about its worth... Those are the people who remain conflicted and unhappy, and I do not envy them.

Not saying we shouldn't have threads debating the value of products. It's inevitable. Apple (and any company) will always price their products to maximize the number of people who have to struggle to decide but in the end will choose to buy the product. And sharing and mixing opinions is fine--good even. But we should all keep in mind, regardless of what we conclude amongst ourselves, where we put our money is the only voice that will actually effect change.

 

[TrueBlou]

Your examples are hilarious. Who's talking about price cuts? If the rental demand in your area was slowing (and you've been keeping rents stable or increasing gently each year- would you suddenly jack up rent by 20% by putting in new Windows and carpets.

It's called a comparison. You have this amazingly unrealistic expectation that Apple shouldn't be allowed to increase the price of their products.
So the point was, no business is in business to do anything but make money.

In the real world prices change, they aren't going to keep a product at a consistent price just to suit people who seem to think they somehow deserve something at a set price.

Let's look at a comparison, in the interest of fairness we'll do one that's gone from normal tablet to a "Pro" version just as the iPad has done. In 2011 a Galaxy Tab 10.1 would set you back £399. Fast forward to 2016 and the Galaxy Tab Pro costs £849. Or maybe the Surface line, where the original Surface was £399 but when it made the jump to Surface Pro, cost £719. Should they also have remained at the same price regardless of the changes made.

 

[DougFNJ]

I love my IPP 12.9", and this is exactly why I hate APPLE. I say that about the company, not the devices of theirs. They make good s***. At the same time though, they charge extremely high prices for stuff that Android has had for years. The side by side view, was done on the Note Tablets, and in my opinion much better. They keep adding little bits here and there, and charging more like it's the latest and greatest. Most likely you'd find this stuff on other Android Devices already.

I'm not saying that everything Apple has done has been done already, but they just keep baiting the line with little features to add, that really, you should be getting more for the money they are asking. Just my thoughts. I have a Mac and the IPP 12.9, but I will never own an IPhone, because too much restraint by Apple and I like my phones free of that constraint. Yes, I come from Android, but this has always been the biggest problem I had with Apple. More $$$$$, for less hardware or software advantages. I actually see Android doing a little what Apple is doing, which bothers me. I'll always have more freedom on Android though. I know you can Jailbreak Apple Devices, but I can still live with Android and that's without being Rooted. Plus I have the choice to do so with that also.

Sorry, didn't mean to get off subject. Just nice to see other Apple People talking about their really high prices and how they don't seem justified.

We can talk feature for feature and who copied who, but sometimes I don't mind a company sitting back and seeing what works, and release it right then receive all the new bells and whistles updates that are buggy and processor intensive. Samsung likes to put 50 "features" on a phone with 90% of those features that wouldn't ever be used, but they put it in there because it does it. Android likes to release their updates with the new perks, but unless you have a Nexus device, how long does it take before you can actually download it and use it?

People have been talking about Apple's high prices forever, ever hear of the "Apple Tax"? The reality is, if I want the Apple experience and Eco system they have devices in various price points that I could enjoy and not have to mortgage my house to get.

We can all talk about specs to infinity, but when people point all these arguments out, it's never also pointing out build quality of the device. They never discuss the 5000 security updates, the constant processor intensive anti virus and firewalls running in the background that you have to pay an annual fee for. And yet somehow some piece of Malware still somehow finds its way into your system. The high price you have had to pay for the OS updates before Windows 10, the cost of the Office programs. And after you bog down your highly spec'ed out system after a year or 2, how much slower is it than the day you bought it?

Your mileage may vary, but this was my experience with Windows before I moved to Mac. This was my experience with Android before I went to IOS. I don't have the patience to deal with poor build quality, constant slowdowns, having to replace devices often, not because I want the latest and greatest, but because the year old device is now useless.

 

[bufffilm]

just moved from an iPad Air 2 to the 9"7 iPad Pro.

I upgrade both iPhones and iPads every generation. This was the first time I did so begrudgingly - mainly because I know Apple were sharking us by charging an extra 100 on top. This could easily have been presented as an iPad Air 3.


Only benefits are the pencil capability and the speakers which are much nicer. Otherwise general usage (safari , mail) feels much more sluggish than my air 2.

Generally disappointing and already looking towards the next gen and hoping it's improved and price goes back down.

Why did you buy it then?

Guys like you are the ones Apple loves the best. New iPad launches and you jump...didn't see skip 1 generation.

 

[tampageek]

just moved from an iPad Air 2 to the 9"7 iPad Pro.

I upgrade both iPhones and iPads every generation. This was the first time I did so begrudgingly - mainly because I know Apple were sharking us by charging an extra 100 on top. This could easily have been presented as an iPad Air 3.


Only benefits are the pencil capability and the speakers which are much nicer. Otherwise general usage (safari , mail) feels much more sluggish than my air 2.

Generally disappointing and already looking towards the next gen and hoping it's improved and price goes back down.

Same here. The iPP is much slower than the Air 2.

 

[RedOrchestra]

Same here. The iPP is much slower than the Air 2.

Sure it is.

 

[tampageek]

How can it be more sluggish then Air 2. Makes no sense to me.

I don't know why, but it is. I had an Air 2 and it was much much faster. Maybe it has something to do with pencil support?

 

[Night Spring]

I don't know why, but it is. I had an Air 2 and it was much much faster. Maybe it has something to do with pencil support?

Did you set up as new or restore from backup?

 

[tampageek]

Did you set up as new or restore from backup?

I set it up as new. I sold my Air 2 about 6 mos ago and had nothing to restore.

 

[Night Spring]

I set it up as new. I sold my Air 2 about 6 mos ago and had nothing to restore.

If it's been 6 months since you had an Air2, how do you know it was faster?

 

[tampageek]

If it's been 6 months since you had an Air2, how do you know it was faster?

Are you kidding? I used both. One went fast and the other didn't. This is not brain surgery.

Since you can't tell when one device is faster than another I have a Lenovo C200 from 2006 in my closet. I'd love to sell it to you. That old Pentium processor really flies......

 

[Night Spring]

Are you kidding? I used both. One went fast and the other didn't. This is not brain surgery.

Since you can't tell when one device is faster than another I have a Lenovo C200 from 2006 in my closet. I'd love to sell it to you. That old Pentium processor really flies......

Are you seriously suggesting that your 9.7 iPP is so much slower than your Air2, that the difference is comparable to a Pentium machine versus a current computer? If so, there's something seriously wrong with your iPad Pro, I suggest you take it to a Genius Bar or call Apple care.

I mean, I have a 12.9 iPP and a Air2. The 12.9 is a bit faster, but not so fast that the Air2 feels slow. The 9.7 iPP should also be faster than the Air2, but even if for some strange reason it is slower, it shouldn't be so much slower that you notice a difference from what you remember from 6 months ago. The speed difference between devices one generation apart is the kind of thing where you don't really notice unless you compare them side by side.

 

[Newjackboy]

Are you seriously suggesting that your 9.7 iPP is so much slower than your Air2, that the difference is comparable to a Pentium machine versus a current computer? If so, there's something seriously wrong with your iPad Pro, I suggest you take it to a Genius Bar or call Apple care.

I'm not going to revisit any of my other points around branding and price - but for some reason my air 2 was snappier during general usage (mail, safari, switching apps etc).

Also had a couple of forced restarts- but hoping yesterday's new update sorts that out.

And I certainly did install from my back-up (as I do with any new ios device). There's no way I am willing to spend hours and hours reinstalling and re-entering app passwords etc

 

[Skika]

Same here. The iPP is much slower than the Air 2.

And the Air2 is much slower than the Air1

 

[CmdrLaForge]

I have an Air and iPad Pro. Both feel the same fast during regular use like safari mail and so. Rendering is a different story.

 

[Adelphos33]

If the Air 2 is faster for you in general use, return your iPad Pro and wait for a better model.

 

[aneftp]

Just wait for real sales. They are already discounting them in the USA.

Once it's around some type of $150 off or gift card (I don't care either way I am gonna to spend the gift card).

I will pick up a iPad Pro

I would never pay full price for any tablet these days. I have owned every iPad but currently skipping the iPad Pro (12.9/9.7) models until a significant sales come.

Even than I am not even sure about buying it n

 

[Chupa Chupa]

just moved from an iPad Air 2 to the 9"7 iPad Pro.

I upgrade both iPhones and iPads every generation. This was the first time I did so begrudgingly - mainly because I know Apple were sharking us by charging an extra 100 on top. This could easily have been presented as an iPad Air 3.


Only benefits are the pencil capability and the speakers which are much nicer. Otherwise general usage (safari , mail) feels much more sluggish than my air 2.

Generally disappointing and already looking towards the next gen and hoping it's improved and price goes back down.

BB has it on sale -- $100 off. If you can get hold of an .edu email you can get a coupon for another $50. So you can return and re-buy @ BB or see if you can get a price match where you bought it.

I didn't buy the Pro when released for the same reason as you -- the extra $100 was completely unwarranted and expected the price would soon drop after launch same as it did for the 13" Pro. Now that that has happened I placed an order and picking up tonight. Hoping it's a decent improvement over my Air 2, but not putting that one up on eBay until I give the Pro a full workout.

 

[Newjackboy]

BB has it on sale -- $100 off. If you can get hold of an .edu email you can get a coupon for another $50. So you can return and re-buy @ BB or see if you can get a price match where you bought it.

I didn't buy the Pro when released for the same reason as you -- the extra $100 was completely unwarranted and expected the price would soon drop after launch same as it did for the 13" Pro. Now that that has happened I placed an order and picking up tonight. Hoping it's a decent improvement over my Air 2, but not putting that one up on eBay until I give the Pro a full workout.

Thanks for the tip (although I'm in the UK).

But what I have noticed over the last few years, is Apple allowing 3rd party retailers to offer massive discounts on its products- especially iPads and the Apple Watch. It's their way of shifting more stock- only reason they don't do it in their own stores is to maintain the system whereby "our prices are never reduced for sale" reasons and to give that added confidence to buyers who prefer to only purchase from an Apple Store.

 

[newellj]

Spare yourself all that angst and hate and take it back to the store right this movement - to say it runs slower than your Air 2 is nothing short of ridiculous.

Best reply in this thread.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Are you seriously suggesting that your 9.7 iPP is so much slower than your Air2, that the difference is comparable to a Pentium machine versus a current computer? If so, there's something seriously wrong with your iPad Pro, I suggest you take it to a Genius Bar or call Apple care.

I mean, I have a 12.9 iPP and a Air2. The 12.9 is a bit faster, but not so fast that the Air2 feels slow. The 9.7 iPP should also be faster than the Air2, but even if for some strange reason it is slower, it shouldn't be so much slower that you notice a difference from what you remember from 6 months ago. The speed difference between devices one generation apart is the kind of thing where you don't really notice unless you compare them side by side.

This. my iPad Pro FLIES. If one's iPad Pro is slower than a Pentium? YOU NEED TO TAKE IT BACK!

I do everything on this. It has totally replaced my laptop. Blogging, image editing, writing novel-length stuff in Ulysses and Scrivener, Taking notes with the pencil, sketching, I do it all! And it has never even hiccuped.

 

[tarasis]

I could imagine a couple of instances where the Air 2 might feel faster/more responsive as it has 3 cores rather than 2, but those 2 cores are faster than 3.

Certainly in terms of benchmarks that I've run, in every single one the Pro is faster than the Air 2. The only thing I do see is that the Pro throttles faster than the Air 2 does but always remains faster than it.

 

[canesalato]

If Apple put the label iPad Air 3 on it. you would NOT have the same A9X processor, you would NOT have the 4 speaker system, you would NOT have the same screen and the True Tone system, you would NOT have the 32GB starting storage. And it would cost you the exact same as the iPad Air 2 does.

Yeah, they would release an Air 3 with the exact same specs.
Last year iPad has a new A8x processor with 3 cores and double the RAM compared to the normal a8. Better, less reflective screen which was laminated for the first time, better cameras, 64gb for 600 instead of 32. Guess what, it was called iPad Air 2... The air 2 had double the ram of the iPhone 6. The 9.7 pro has the same ram as the 6s. In some ways the Air 2 was more pro, at the time, that this more expansive pro is now

 

[mlody]

This idea Apple is charging a extra 100 is a misconception.

The 9.7 iPP starts out at 32gb... compared to previous iPads that starts out w/ 16gb for $500. Consumers look at the starting price of $600 for the iPP and think that Apple is charging extra when they actually add more storage compared to previous entry level iPads.

With the previous generation, you got 64GB of storage for $100, not 32GB. I do not see a single reason why iPad Pro starts at $599 since the overall upgrade is smaller than previous generations.

iPad 4 to Air was a much significant upgrade and the price remained the same,
iPad Air to Air 2 was also a very significant upgrade and the price remained the same.
This time around, Apple slaps PRO as part of the name, doubles the base memory which costs them like $2 and jacks up the price by $100. WTF is wrong with them lately???

Also, by dropping the price on Air 2, they made the Mini 4 look overpriced. They should had adjusted price on Mini 4 and eliminate Mini 2 or even further drop the price on Mini 2 to like $199.

Overall the iPad lineup is so jacked up, it is not even funny.

This is what I believe the prices should have been from the start

mini 2 - 199 (16gb)
mini 4 - 299 (16gb)
air 2 - 399 (16gb)
9.7 pro - 499 (32gb)
12.9 pro - 599 (32gb)

 

[ColdShadow]

just moved from an iPad Air 2 to the 9"7 iPad Pro.

I upgrade both iPhones and iPads every generation. This was the first time I did so begrudgingly - mainly because I know Apple were sharking us by charging an extra 100 on top. This could easily have been presented as an iPad Air 3.


Only benefits are the pencil capability and the speakers which are much nicer. Otherwise general usage (safari , mail) feels much more sluggish than my air 2.

Generally disappointing and already looking towards the next gen and hoping it's improved and price goes back down.

I'd say unless your really like to use the pencil,upgrading from an Air 2 to Pro 9.7 makes zero sense and is a waste of money.