All iPads iPad Air - how severe is the RAM problem?

[Plutonius]

It's not logical and it doesn't matter what people here post

I have to agree with this statement after reading your post .

 

[Rodster]

Open this link in mobile safari on a 64bit ios device. http://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/features/

Double tap to zoom in on the page/picture .... Please share your experience.

My experience is that you are grasping at straws tbh. I had reload issues on my Mac Mini with 4GB of ram and at one point the screen did not display the content until it downloaded the pictures. It's the benchmark for bloated websites, an equal tie with NIN.com and not even 2GB of ram will help the next iPad if you are using Safari.

Did you try it with Google Chrome because there were NO crashes on the iPad? That Apple website on a 2GB Nexus 7 tablet also had issues running that website. Reloads galore and the page quit responding after several attempts to double tap zoom in/out.

 

[Count Blah]

Sorry but you are off base and I'll provide FACTS as to why. How many out of the millions of Ipads sold got returned? How many Apple stores are flooded each day with people screaming bloody murder about this issue? Why hasn't Apple released the 7.1 update yet if this is so numerous with folks claiming browsing is useless with Safari?

The answer is because this has been blow out of proportion by a few, not the majority who just go about continuing to use theirs and enjoying what they bought WITHOUT issues.

Apple has given choices. Apple allows returns, folks kept the device goodness knows why instead of returning it or escalating until Apple gave recourse. And folks agree to software updates right off the bat without perhaps waiting it out to see if there are problems.

thats easy, because people buy what is kewl and put up with whatever. Do you think women enjoy walking in 5 inch stiletto heals? Were hammer pants really function back in the 80s? Did the doofs who got tribal arm tattoos in the 90s do it because they had an original idea? No, all followed the trend and did things because it was kewl.

I contend that most users do not have more than a couple tabs open, and if they reload, it's of no impact to them. And even if the did have a reloads, they wouldn't go through the hassle of returning it for that if the rest worked ok. So I discount the "why are there not millions returned".

Apple has been working on iOS 7 for well over a year now, and it still works like ish for lots of us.

I would LOVE to get my hands on one of these airs that have no issues. I have put in a ticket with apple about the constant reloads, but my screen is perfect, so I am holding onto it until 7.1. If the app blowups still exist in 7.1, then I will return it 1000 times until I get one of these magic ones(haven't experienced one of these in the 8 airs I had had 1st hand experience with).

Heck, I'd return mine tomorrow if I saw a video of one of these magic airs in operation, because mine is 1/3 as functional in safari as others here have claimed. I can get mine to blow up safari 100 times an hour if I tried, and I can easily set mine up to reload in two tabs more times than not.

Such disparity. I don't get it.

 

[Q-Dog]

I have no idea what you all are going on about. I love my ipad air. I suppose it has some limitations ... some web sites cause it to crash about once a week or so, but the portability and convenience for me far outweigh those issues. If you need the functionality of a full computer, have you considered a macbook or Macbook Air? They are very nice.

 

[HEK]

How often to do you turn your Air off and on?
How many tabs do you normally have open at once?

Start responding to this post, then ...
- Open up a new tab
- Visit Apple.com
- Scroll to the bottom
- Do this 5 times.
- Go back to the original tab where you are responding. Does the page refresh?

Really? Why not stand on one foot, spin counterclockwise twice, let the Air slip from hands hitting floor, pick up and do five more times. If screen cracks return device as defective.

I'm less demanding of my devices. I am happy when my XP windows desktop does't freeze up after second or third reboot. I would be frustrated as well if I had to go through all you described to make my Air refresh.

It's patently obvious there is more going on than too little RAM. I catch mine refreshing once every two weeks maybe. Yet others report constant refreshes. Again though, I can't get my mind past the point that if this were a widespread problem, there should be lines of people stacked up at Apple stores returning their devices. We are talking millions sold. I'm quite curious as to what 7.1's effect will have on all this.

 

[petvas]

Really? Why not stand on one foot, spin counterclockwise twice, let the Air slip from hands hitting floor, pick up and do five more times. If screen cracks return device as defective.

I'm less demanding of my devices. I am happy when my XP windows desktop does't freeze up after second or third reboot. I would be frustrated as well if I had to go through all you described to make my Air refresh.

It's patently obvious there is more going on than too little RAM. I catch mine refreshing once every two weeks maybe. Yet others report constant refreshes. Again though, I can't get my mind past the point that if this were a widespread problem, there should be lines of people stacked up at Apple stores returning their devices. We are talking millions sold. I'm quite curious as to what 7.1's effect will have on all this.

7.1 solves the crashing issue, not the tab reloading. Some times it doesn't bother me when a tab refreshes itself, but some times I hate it, depending what I was doing before. Imagine wanting to copy information from some other app and then wanting to go back to Safari, only to see that the webpage has been loaded again.. It can be very frustrating.

 

[HEK]

7.1 solves the crashing issue, not the tab reloading. Some times it doesn't bother me when a tab refreshes itself, but some times I hate it, depending what I was doing before. Imagine wanting to copy information from some other app and then wanting to go back to Safari, only to see that the webpage has been loaded again.. It can be very frustrating.

I can see quite clearly the frustration of reloading screen while in process of transferring info. Just this morning I was wanting to load a picture into a profile. Had the profile open in Safari, opened pictures, camera, took photo, edited it transferred another photo via PhotoSync from phone to Air, when back to Safari page where it was still open and had not refreshed. All worked flawlessly.

I keep thinking, what combination of loading Air with operating system, copying past software, upgrades, loading apps, etc may provide a combination of slightly corrupted files, leading some to have this refresh problem be so pronounced. While others experience it so infrequently.

I have experience some web sights that load slowly, poorly, lock up, etc. the upon retry, seem fine. Pardon the pun, but it seems very hard to truly try an experiment comparing apples to apples. The amount of variables, for trials seems rather uncontrollable. Or even unknowable. Hardware, ram, software, web connection, poor downloads, corrupted files, order of loading, variables go on and on.

 

[Plutonius]

7.1 solves the crashing issue, not the tab reloading. Some times it doesn't bother me when a tab refreshes itself, but some times I hate it, depending what I was doing before. Imagine wanting to copy information from some other app and then wanting to go back to Safari, only to see that the webpage has been loaded again.. It can be very frustrating.

You should have exchanged it.

 

[Count Blah]

You should have exchanged it.

And that is the point I am trying to make. Every air I have tries has exhibited this. I am just shaking my head at these claims that people can perform all these tasks and NOT have their air reload.

Again, if 7.1 does not correct most of the crashing issues, then ya going track as many times as possible, until the next version comes out.

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Really? Why not stand on one foot, spin counterclockwise twice, let the Air slip from hands hitting floor, pick up and do five more times. If screen cracks return device as defective.

I'm less demanding of my devices. I am happy when my XP windows desktop does't freeze up after second or third reboot. I would be frustrated as well if I had to go through all you described to make my Air refresh.

It's patently obvious there is more going on than too little RAM. I catch mine refreshing once every two weeks maybe. Yet others report constant refreshes. Again though, I can't get my mind past the point that if this were a widespread problem, there should be lines of people stacked up at Apple stores returning their devices. We are talking millions sold. I'm quite curious as to what 7.1's effect will have on all this.

The point was to use up as much ram as possible as a test. And the air to reach a state of ram starvation. Safari is a memory hog, and a memory leaker. I can have tabs reload with nothing but safari running, and only 2 open tabs. I'd hardly call that demanding, I'd call that a really BAD user experience.

And again, people accept less. They either aren't using multiple tabs like I, and others are, accepting of the faults because it's apple and it's supposed to work this way, or it's not reached the annoyance threshold enough to justify the time and effort to go exchange it, because most apps work just fine.

 

[petvas]

You should have exchanged it.

With what? An iPad Air 2 that doesn't exist?

 

[AppleRobert]

With what? An iPad Air 2 that doesn't exist?

Nope, with another Air. Millions own one with no issues.

Like I said, if this was so numerous and a major issue Apple would have released 7.1 already. So obviously it is such a small blip on radar so infrequently over the total sold that they don't feel the necessity at the present time.

 

[petvas]

Nope, with another Air. Millions own one with no issues.

Like I said, if this was so numerous and a major issue Apple would have released 7.1 already. So obviously it is such a small blip on radar so infrequently over the total sold that they don't feel the necessity at the present time.

Yeah, right. I don't think it's worth writing about it anymore. You guys just don't get it..
It is a software issue and affects all iOS devices. Wake up people..
Who said that most people care about it? Some do, but most don't. Tab refreshing has been with us since the beginning of iOS. It is interesting to see how many of you here forget that. This is not the first version of iOS that has it. It's nothing new.
It doesn't matter if you have an iPad Air, or mini or whatever. It is an ios issue and depending on usage and apps running you might experience it more or less. Getting a new device doesn't help. Stop saying that!

Have a look here for example:https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1346514/

 

[bpbatch]

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[DaCurmudgen]

How about another browser?

7.1 solves the crashing issue, not the tab reloading. Some times it doesn't bother me when a tab refreshes itself, but some times I hate it, depending what I was doing before. Imagine wanting to copy information from some other app and then wanting to go back to Safari, only to see that the webpage has been loaded again.. It can be very frustrating.

I tried Mercury to see how it handled with page reloads, and it was great. No reloads with 7 tabs open. I hear you about it being frustrating, but in this case, it's kinda like the old joke:

I went to the doctor and said, "Doc, it hurts when I do this." He said, "So don't do that." Use another browser.

 

[Max(IT)]

So i feel like 1gb of ram for an ipad might not be enough for my purpose (opening multiple pdfs, writing notes, etc.)

Can you guys share some thoughts on this?
Do you guys experience a lot of freezes (I think they called it a phase out or something like that..)

Whiners and bashers are a specific feature of this forum

Btw there is an issue with ram, but I think it's software related. We will find out when iOS 7.1 will be released.

Never had freezes on my iDevices .... just some Safari crashes.

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Noone knows exactly if RAM compression is being used and if it is used then only for A7 devices, judging by logs. Dont forget that going to 64 bit OS RAM usage increases by about 15%, so 1gb RAM way too low.

From an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s, free ram after the boot is almost the same.
The "15% more ram needed" is just BS ....

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That's the problem with the whole RAM theory. Also, think about this..... The complaint is with safari and seemingly NO other apps at all. So, high end games with huge graphics and action run like a champ but the web browser blows up with a few tabs opened? Just don't make sense.

It's a software issue, IMO.

This.
I can run Real Racing 3 for hours without a single problem, while Safari could crash after 20 minutes .... It's clearly a software issue

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I'm holding out for a 2GB RAM Air, or the Sony Z2 tablet coming in March. It's got 3GB RAM, is waterproof, and thinner/lighter than the Air.

.... and it doesn't run iOS, so is useless for me

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10 tabs opened in Safari, went back to Home screen a number of times and each site was exactly where I left it without reloading.

This is over a slow DSL connection.

Btw 10 tabs on a tablet for me is an irrational expectation ....

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My Air would reload tabs just switching between them more often then I'd care for.

I would be on this site replying switch to another tab for information then go back to Mac rumors and it would reload. I'd lose everything I typed. Drove me nuts.

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Goto nin.com and scroll around for a bit. Other webpages do it too but I think that one is the easiest.

Besides this is a documented issue from Apple that they are devoting an update to try to help resolve. If there wasn't an issue there wouldn't be anything to fix now would there?

Nin.com is a very poorly designed website .....

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It's shaken my confidence too. It's supposed to be a premium product yet I've had to stop using my iPad for browsing the net and I now use my Nexus 7. The crashes on mine were constant to the point I couldn't even look at Facebook without it crashing every minute or two. Just ridiculous. I do think it's a software issue and not the ram, so I'm really hoping 7.1 fixes it. I also think it's ridiculous that Apple has made us wait this long for 7.1 when 7.1 is supposedly much more stable according to everyone who is using it.

You have a defective iPad.
Safari is buggy, for sure, but I still have to see a crash from Facebook app, while on your iPad is crashes "every minute or two".

You clearly have a defective unit.

 

[Count Blah]

From an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s, free ram after the boot is almost the same.
The "15% more ram needed" is just BS ....

Link to proof the 64 bit does NOT take up more RAM?

I can run Real Racing 3 for hours without a single problem, while Safari could crash after 20 minutes .... It's clearly a software issue

No 3rd party software would be allowed in the apple store, if it took up more RAM that is allowed. So no, you can't point to a single app and claim there is not a RAM problem. A lot of folks would agree that there is an iOS problem, due to the crashes.

Btw 10 tabs on a tablet for me is an irrational expectation ....

Agreed. I'd be happy with 4, I'd settle for 3, but even 2 is not reliable for me, due to MANY reloads.

Nin.com is a very poorly designed website

True, but that doesn't mean Apple can ignore it, and allow safari to blow up if you attempt to navigate the site.

 

[luckylisp]

You have a defective iPad.
Safari is buggy, for sure, but I still have to see a crash from Facebook app, while on your iPad is crashes "every minute or two".

You clearly have a defective unit.

I guess a lot of must have a defective iPad then. I'm also not using Safari. I'm using Mercury. It happens 99% of the time when browsing, not when using the iPad in other ways. I'll wait and see what iOS 7.1 brings.

 

[erasr]

Never had any faulty stuff from Apple but now I'm getting angry with this ipad Air.

Took my first one back because it kept crashing if I zoomed in on a website page etc. Got a new replacement. Now this one is doing the same thing.

Was on Right Move then (UK site) using the map search and it crashed 4 times in a row when I zoomed in.

I'm almost embarrassed to take this one back now because they seem to know me in the store whenever I go back in!

 

[Count Blah]

Never had any faulty stuff from Apple but now I'm getting angry with this ipad Air.

Took my first one back because it kept crashing if I zoomed in on a website page etc. Got a new replacement. Now this one is doing the same thing.

Was on Right Move then (UK site) using the map search and it crashed 4 times in a row when I zoomed in.

I'm almost embarrassed to take this one back now because they seem to know me in the store whenever I go back in!

You are a perfect example. I am positive that if you performed the same tasks on one of the airs that people here claim are not having any problems, that you would be able to have it blow up.

 

[Rodster]

Never had any faulty stuff from Apple but now I'm getting angry with this ipad Air.

Took my first one back because it kept crashing if I zoomed in on a website page etc. Got a new replacement. Now this one is doing the same thing.

Was on Right Move then (UK site) using the map search and it crashed 4 times in a row when I zoomed in.

I'm almost embarrassed to take this one back now because they seem to know me in the store whenever I go back in!

What's the addy to the site m8, rightmove.co.uk? Confirm so I can try it on my Air in the US. Have you tried another browser such as Mercury (solid browser) or Chrome to see if it crashes?

 

[Plutonius]

I guess a lot of must have a defective iPad then.

You are correct. It would be interesting to see how iPads from the latest production runs work. If these also have issues, I would say it's probably a design issue. Many hardware issues can be fixed in software so we will have to see what the 7.1 final release does to fix the issues.

 

[Max(IT)]

Link to proof the 64 bit does NOT take up more RAM?

No link needed. There is no technical reason for a substantial difference between 32 and 64 bit in ram usage.

No 3rd party software would be allowed in the apple store, if it took up more RAM that is allowed. So no, you can't point to a single app and claim there is not a RAM problem. A lot of folks would agree that there is an iOS problem, due to the crashes.

There is an iOS problem, that's what I'm saying. It's not A RAM PROBLEM.

Agreed. I'd be happy with 4, I'd settle for 3, but even 2 is not reliable for me, due to MANY reloads.

I'm constantly using 3 tabs without reloads, with mercury.

True, but that doesn't mean Apple can ignore it, and allow safari to blow up if you attempt to navigate the site.

I've seen android devices with 2 Gb of ram with freeze and crashes on nin.com ....
A poorly designed website couldn't be the benchmark for tablets.

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I guess a lot of must have a defective iPad then. I'm also not using Safari. I'm using Mercury. It happens 99% of the time when browsing, not when using the iPad in other ways. I'll wait and see what iOS 7.1 brings.

I don't know many people experiencing a crash every two minutes just using Facebook ....

 

[petvas]

No link needed. There is no technical reason for a substantial difference between 32 and 64 bit in ram usage.



There is an iOS problem, that's what I'm saying. It's not A RAM PROBLEM.



I'm constantly using 3 tabs without reloads, with mercury.


I've seen android devices with 2 Gb of ram with freeze and crashes on nin.com ....
A poorly designed website couldn't be the benchmark for tablets.

I expect from a tablet a great browser experience, and sadly this is not the case. Of course, a desktop computer is much more powerful, but still, the tab reloading is unacceptable.
Even badly written sites shouldn't crash safari. There is something called error handling. If something goes bad, Safari shouldn't crash! This is just bad programming.
At least with 7.1 most crashes have been fixed (sadly not everything),, but the tab reloading will remain. The only way you won't experience tab reloading is if you are not using the device...

 

[Max(IT)]

I expect from a tablet a great browser experience, and sadly this is not the case. Of course, a desktop computer is much more powerful, but still, the tab reloading is unacceptable.
Even badly written sites shouldn't crash safari. There is something called error handling. If something goes bad, Safari shouldn't crash! This is just bad programming.
At least with 7.1 most crashes have been fixed (sadly not everything),, but the tab reloading will remain. The only way you won't experience tab reloading is if you are not using the device...

But I agree with you !
I don't like Safari behavior and I'm using another browser for that reason, and I'm waiting for 7.1

I'm just saying that this isn't a "ram problem", but a software problem.
And Apple have to be blamed for that.
But it is mostly restricted to the web browser ....

 

[biffarino]

Members of the Apple cult like 'AppleRobert' make me laugh.

Fair play to him though, he's pretty open about it all.