Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
iPad and MacBook Models With OLED Displays Rumored to Launch in 2022
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Maybe burn-in can be handled 100% with software. The software just doesn't allow it to happen?
Last edited:
OLED is higher cost, so only ends up on premium devices. Manufacturers see only large TVs as premium, and I do see that few people would pay top prices for smaller screens. But the prices are coming down, and manufacturing capacity is going up. 48" OLED TVs appeared last year, and LG Display (the panel manufacturing division, not TV manufacturing) announced this year that they are now offering the option of 42", although no news on if this is going to make it into a TV yet.
There are 22", 27", and 32" OLED monitors available, but they are very expensive. There are 14" and 15" OLED laptops that are at the top end, but not unreasonable.
My OLED TV is excellent, but I'm not so sure about having it on a computer which often has static screens. Especially as my iMac has had image retention problems since a macOS update (IR problems seem to have appeared for many with a macOS update), so macOS might be driving pixels harder now.
If they’ve solved the blue diode problem it means they can use an RGB sub-pixel layout, so no extra resolution necessary. The only reason to add more resolution is to attain >400ppi to hide the PenTile aliasing effect. 220-260ppi (current MacBook and iPad retina pixel densities) aren’t nearly enough, even 326 (original iPhone retina) looks poor with a PenTile OLED - look at the likes of the galaxy S3.
Exactly! I‘ve been wondering the same thing. You can purchase a 55” or 65” LG or Sony 4K OLED for less than an iMac (depending). I have a few LG 4K 65” OLED B and C units that are roughly $1300-1500 now and one connected to a Mac mini - no issues with burn-in, etc as the input is specifically for PC use.
In the 2000’s I remember 7”-10” OLED displays were $3-4k - some stores would have them as more for people to see as LCD flatscreens were more affordable). It’s 2021, OLED panels shouldn’t be outrageously expensive even with touch display integration. LG has resolved burn-in and other issues. It’s not perfect but I can’t imagine 2-3 years would be necessary to make it usable on an iPad as iPhones are already using OLED. I often use the same apps for hours at a time on my iPhone as my iPad.
Last edited:
Not believing this. DigiTimes has put this out there a couple times over the last several months, but it simply makes no sense to me. Other rumors have Apple doing considerable research on mini and micro LED, but not on OLED. Why? I think microLED is where they want to be. JMO.
It (software techniques) can mitigate it in some ways with things like pixel/frame shifting but no there's no avoiding it, definitely much better these days with more efficient displays than maybe 5-6 years ago, but burn in is inherent to the technology. Would better be referred to as differential aging, the blue sub pixel wears out much much faster than the red/green causing a color shift, when localized to a certain areas with say static content, it would look like things burned in. Worst in high contrast areas like a black taskbar with white time or vice versa. These days with normal use and changing content at decent brightness levels it should last a few years without noticeable burn in. It's a bigger issue if you use it many hours at a time with static content especially blue/white heave elements, and would be accelerated at higher brightness levels.
An airport in Korea about two years ago, thought it would be a great idea to use LG OLED TVs in lounges and worse yet for terminal displays. (Mind you this is even accounting for the fact that LG TVs are more resistant to burn vs traditional OLEDs in due to their RGBW filters w/white OLED implementation)... within 3-4 months most had pretty bad burn in, granted that's an extreme case with 24/7 use and probably at high brightness. For normal/general use with changing content probably ok and would be a few years before any noticeable burn in.
Edit: Another mitigation technique I believe is the detection in voltage variances in sub pixels and compensating for them, with likely increased power draw over time ...
Last edited:
There are many things that can be improved in the 12.9" iPad pro. (2020here)
Not an "upgrade"" like the 2018-2020, thats not worth it, but suddle, other things.
OLED.
4k resolution
M1 or better chip.
8GB Memory with 16GB as option
Choice of iPad OS or MacOS, better both.
Full USB C TB access. FULL access.
120Hz with pro motion (got that)
Ability to do editing on a usb device without having to copy to the device.
just a few thoughts.
The macbook needs OLED, pro motion, touchscreen, M2+chip, 32GB and maybe a 360 swivel connector.
If only there were another solution, more practical and without the burn in drawbacks of OLED...
Why would Apple consider OLED when the next step is MicroLED?
This rumor seems like it is from 2016 - 2017.
Why would Apple consider OLED when the next step is MicroLED?
This rumor seems like it is from 2016 - 2017.
FWIW, some speculation on how Apple might offer a laptop OLED without fear of burn-in.
1) A report out of Korea last year said that Samsung was going to use a tandem OLED for the iPad. That is an OLED that basically stacks emitter layers to give the display a longer lifetime. LG says that they use this in their auto OLED displays and it increases the lifetime by 4x.
2) The problem is that a tandem OLED increases the power consumption. However, in the summary for a technical paper that they are giving in May, Samsung says that they are "fairly near" to putting a phosphorescent blue into commercial devices. This would solve the power consumption problem. If Samsung has solved this, we can also expect a big drop in power consumption for future iPhone displays.
More details if anybody is interested.
1) A report out of Korea last year said that Samsung was going to use a tandem OLED for the iPad. That is an OLED that basically stacks emitter layers to give the display a longer lifetime. LG says that they use this in their auto OLED displays and it increases the lifetime by 4x.
2) The problem is that a tandem OLED increases the power consumption. However, in the summary for a technical paper that they are giving in May, Samsung says that they are "fairly near" to putting a phosphorescent blue into commercial devices. This would solve the power consumption problem. If Samsung has solved this, we can also expect a big drop in power consumption for future iPhone displays.
More details if anybody is interested.
Not if samsung is making the panels, you could end up with green tint or piss yellow grey colours.An OLED iPad - reading at night is going to be a blast with true blacks. This will be great! I really like reading on my iPhone at night with OLED.
Can't wait till apple starts making their own oled panels, hopefully the rumours are true, teach that filth of a company called samsung a lesson.
lol Just because you had bad luck?
Samsung makes THE BEST OLED panels for phones/tablets/laptops period.
for TV LG currently is the only one due to them owning a patent that makes it very costly for others to come up with their own tech,hence why everyone else (Sony,Philips,Panasonic etc ) are buying OLED panels from LG and Samsung been resisting against OLED TV,although they have recently realised OLED TV is here to stay and proven best and decided to make their own.(Q-OLED)
I’ve had OLED panels made by Samsung and LG in MANY devices ,always top notch quality specially the ones made by Samsung.
Last edited:
Wouldn’t call it bad luck, just a **** company, if you’re going to sell millions of oled panels to a company at a premium price, make sure they work properly, before sending them off.
Part of the problem with AMOLED with their sub pixel alignment. Also possibly a PWM side effect. You can try turning on brightness at 80%+ to see if it helps.
I always don’t understand this obsession with OLED... Apple puts amazing LCD panels on it’s devices and I never really see the necessity of going full OLED, specially with PWM problems which are terrible. OLED create more problems than solutions on mobile devices.
Same. LCD scrolling looks so much better to me. All moving text looks like it got hit with heavy motion blur or is being smeared until it comes to a rest
I just want to mention PhOLED isn't really new. Its research goes as far back as late 2000s. Simply because of its theoretical potential. And we have long known Blue phosphorescent to be the problem. It is a bit like saying Solid Battery, but we dont quite know how to get there yet.
LG seems to take a different approach with Solid Encapsulation of White OLED along with other innovation that makes WOLED last longer. Which seems to closer.
It is interesting how many innovation are still being worked on with OLED, many are only a few years from commercial launch, others are may be a decade away. Compared to MicroLED which is still so far from consumer usage. This may be a case where OLED become so good MicroLED may never see the day.
I really hope this is true, but DigiTimes isn’t exactly known to be a reliable source. One of my biggest qualms with my iPad and MacBook Pro is how bright the blacks are. I prefer watching movies/TV and reading at night/in a dim setting and I just cannot handle how bright the blacks are on the LCD displays.
Darth Tulhu
macrumors 68020
Burn-in sucks way more than having great blacks, in my opinion.
This is why I bought an 85" LCD TV and why I will not buy an OLED-screened computer.
My iMac 27" and 17" MBP screens are excellent and flawless 10 years in.
Now, for those of you that upgrade every couple of years, then this is a non-issue.
This is why I bought an 85" LCD TV and why I will not buy an OLED-screened computer.
My iMac 27" and 17" MBP screens are excellent and flawless 10 years in.
Now, for those of you that upgrade every couple of years, then this is a non-issue.