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good day all,

With my Mac I use a time capsule for backups with time machine.

Now, is there a way to have something similar with the iPad?

I know that I can use iTunes and/or iCloud, however is there a standalone device that can automatically back up the iPad the same way that time machine/time capsule does it for the Mac?

Thank you and I apologize if this has already been discussed (I did a search and didn't find anything)

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I know that I can use iTunes and/or iCloud, however is there a standalone device that can automatically back up the iPad the same way that time machine/time capsule do it for the Mac?
No, your only choice is to use iTunes and/or iCloud.
 
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It's a shame. There really should be a way to automatically and wirelessly backup your iOS devices to your Mac or a network connected storage drive while on your home wifi network. I don't see a reason why this function shouldn't exist except that Apple and 3rd parties want to force paid cloud subscriptions.
 
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It's a shame. There really should be a way to automatically and wirelessly backup your iOS devices to your Mac or a network connected storage drive while on your home wifi network. I don't see a reason why this function shouldn't exist except that Apple and 3rd parties want to force paid cloud subscriptions.
That's exactly what I think. I wonder who owns Western Digital and Seagate

Then again, if Apple wants to block a feature like this, there would be no way for a storage company to introduce it, since all Apple would need to do is reject the app that would be necessary.

Shame that they take this stance, since it's an obvious money grab.
 
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That's exactly what I think. I wonder who owns Western Digital and Seagate

Then again, if Apple wants to block a feature like this, there would be no way for a storage company to introduce it, since all Apple would need to do is reject the app that would be necessary.

Shame that they take this stance, since it's an obvious money grab.
I don't think an entire iOS backup feature could be done by a third party. Something that requires such complete access to the iOS device would have to be implemented by Apple, I would think. But third parties only stand to benefit from
Apple not allowing automatic, unlimited, free (local) backups because that can only mean more users will then be likely subscribe to their cloud services to safeguard their data.

Either way, yes, not providing this feature does seem like an obvious money grab by Apple. That subscription holy grail is just too tempting for tech companies to pass up, as we are seeing these days.
 
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I'm not sure I really understand OP's question. You can have your iTunes library on any drive you like -- just enter the location in the "advanced" menu in iTunes settings. So for example, I have a dedicated external iTunes hard drive. That is where my iOS backups are stored. I also use Time Machine which includes this drive so I'm 2x protected locally. I store all of my "can't lose" docs on my iPad to Dropbox which add another dimension of protection.

You can also set up your iOS device to backup via WiFi so you don't have to tether to your computer. I use this for my Minis, which don't have much on them, but not my main iPad, just because I think it would take too long and I don't trust my WiFi's consistency.
 
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I'm not sure I really understand OP's question. You can have your iTunes library on any drive you like -- just enter the location in the "advanced" menu in iTunes settings. So for example, I have a dedicated external iTunes hard drive. That is where my iOS backups are stored. I also use Time Machine which includes this drive so I'm 2x protected locally. I store all of my "can't lose" docs on my iPad to Dropbox which add another dimension of protection.

You can also set up your iOS device to backup via WiFi so you don't have to tether to your computer. I use this for my Minis, which don't have much on them, but not my main iPad, just because I think it would take too long and I don't trust my WiFi's consistency.
Well, I've ha MacPro die on me recently and if I didn't have a MBP the time machine backup would be useles to me until I got another Mac.

I really don't understand what is so hard to understand in my first post. It's clear I know I can use iTunes and or iCloud.

I am looking for a standalone solution for full iOS backups that are not dependent on iCloud or iTunes.
 
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I am looking for a standalone solution for full iOS backups that are not dependent on iCloud or iTunes.
As stated, this isn't any. You have a choice. Use iTunes or iCloud. The latter is wicked slow, the former requires a computer.

I'm not sure why you're against the iCloud solution because that does check off your need for a stand alone solution.
 
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Well, I've ha MacPro die on me recently and if I didn't have a MBP the time machine backup would be useles to me until I got another Mac.

I really don't understand what is so hard to understand in my first post. It's clear I know I can use iTunes and or iCloud.

I am looking for a standalone solution for full iOS backups that are not dependent on iCloud or iTunes.
My apologies for trying to help. You did not disclose your predicament in your original post so I didn't know the full context. It's why I noted I wasn't sure I understood your question -- I didn't and that is why.

So, as others have said, no, there is no way to back up your iOS outside of Apple. iOS, unlike Mac OS X, is a "walled garden." Apple only gives developers limited access to iOS's code, allegedly for security -- and legitimately too I believe.

iCloud backups work independent of a computer so that would work in your situation. But if you want something outside of Apple to do a 100% backup, again, no. Does not exist. Likely will never exist.
 
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As stated, this isn't any. You have a choice. Use iTunes or iCloud. The latter is wicked slow, the former requires a computer.

I'm not sure why you're against the iCloud solution because that does check off your need for a stand alone solution.
I'm not againt iCloud, i am for a non subscription based, standalone home backup solution for iOS

I know what's available, I was just wondering if there was something that would work like the time-capsule/time-machine combo for MacOS, but for iPads and iPhones.
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My apologies for trying to help. You did not disclose your predicament in your original post so I didn't know the full context. It's why I noted I wasn't sure I understood your question -- I didn't and that is why.

So, as others have said, no, there is no way to back up your iOS outside of Apple. iOS, unlike Mac OS X, is a "walled garden." Apple only gives developers limited access to iOS's code, allegedly for security -- and legitimately too I believe.

iCloud backups work independent of a computer so that would work in your situation. But if you want something outside of Apple to do a 100% backup, again, no. Does not exist. Likely will never exist.
No problem.

I thought that when I said I knew about iTunes and iCloud and was looking for a standalone backup solution, it would be sufficiently clear that I was looking for something other than iTunes and/or iCloud.
 
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I know what's available, I was just wondering if there was something that would work like the time-capsule/time-machine combo for MacOS, but for iPads and iPhones.
Nope.

Thanks to Apple's closed garden approach, a third party solution isn't available, due to iOS being so locked down, and Apple has provided two alternatives to backing up iPhones/iPads
 
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Nope.

Thanks to Apple's closed garden approach, a third party solution isn't available, due to iOS being so locked down, and Apple has provided two alternatives to backing up iPhones/iPads
It's a real shame, and since Apple have been touting the iPad as a traditional PC replacement, it would be nice if they gave people options when it comes to backing up their system.

Because, if someone decided to try and be iPad only, then their only option for backups would be iCloud.

So only one option and a subscription base model at that. Very poor from Apple in this case.

I would happily purchase an iOS only time capsule if they had one. But in apple's eyes that would be a one time payment instead of a constant revenue stream from people who want their data safe.
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Just back it up once a week with iTunes. Only takes a few minutes. . . You do not need to sit and watch it.
As it stands it looks like that is my only option.

Well, that and iCloud, but not sure if I want to use iCloud.

At the moment the Office365 looks like a better deal for documents backup since you get the 1tb OneDrive cloud backup with it for €60 per annum.
 
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It's a real shame, and since Apple have been touting the iPad as a traditional PC replacement, it would be nice if they gave people options when it comes to backing up their system.

Because, if someone decided to try and be iPad only, then their only option for backups would be iCloud.

So only one option and a subscription base model at that. Very poor from Apple in this case.

I would happily purchase an iOS only time capsule if they had one. But in apple's eyes that would be a one time payment instead of a constant revenue stream from people who want their data safe.
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As it stands it looks like that is my only option.

Well, that and iCloud, but not sure if I want to use iCloud.

At the moment the Office365 looks like a better deal for documents backup since you get the 1tb OneDrive cloud backup with it for €60 per annum.
My company uses DropBox. It works great and is cross platform so it does not matter what device. I can keep some folder private while giving my employees access to our documents for use in the field.
 
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Dropbox might be a good alternative. Ideally I'd like to spend €60 per year maximum.

1tb hardrives are around that price, so I could live with paying for cloud storage/backup if it isn't more than what it would cost to purchase a new hardrive every 12 months.
 
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It's a real shame, and since Apple have been touting the iPad as a traditional PC replacement, it would be nice if they gave people options when it comes to backing up their system.
Apple has never been about choice, its their way or the highway. Simple as that. If you want different solutions provided by others, then look towards Android. I'm not trying to sound harsh, but the fact is, Apple has always been a closed company that offers 1 maybe 2 ways of doing something and if you don't like that, you have to find another product that can.

so only one option and a subscription base model at that. Very poor from Apple in this case
why is that poor from, apple? They have long been directing its customers to subscription based solutions, whether its iCloud, or Apple Music. Its in Apple favor to offer a solution that requires a monthly subscription. They're not a charity, they're in business to make money and like the rest of the industry, they've adopted the subscription model. Don't get me wrong, I would love a free solution, but apple isn't about to give away something free when they have an opportunity to make money.

On the Time Machine front, remember back, when Apple charged a 125 dollars for an upgrade. They had to provide solutions to entice customers to pay for the upgrade. Time Machine was one of those things. So in a sense when TM was rolled out, they did that, so they could make money on OS X sales.
 
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Apple has never been about choice, its their way or the highway. Simple as that. If you want different solutions provided by others, then look towards Android. I'm not trying to sound harsh, but the fact is, Apple has always been a closed company that offers 1 maybe 2 ways of doing something and if you don't like that, you have to find another product that can.


why is that poor from, apple? They have long been directing its customers to subscription based solutions, whether its iCloud, or Apple Music. Its in Apple favor to offer a solution that requires a monthly subscription. They're not a charity, they're in business to make money and like the rest of the industry, they've adopted the subscription model. Don't get me wrong, I would love a free solution, but apple isn't about to give away something free when they have an opportunity to make money.

On the Time Machine front, remember back, when Apple charged a 125 dollars for an upgrade. They had to provide solutions to entice customers to pay for the upgrade. Time Machine was one of those things. So in a sense when TM was rolled out, they did that, so they could make money on OS X sales.
Honestly I believe you are off the mark in many of your points.

At home I use MacOS , Windows 10 , iOS and Android. I am well aware of what they each offer and because of this I use the different OS's for different tasks.

Not providing a basic function for a device is poor form, specially when it's an important issue.

Are you trying to imply that I am a beggar because I disagree with the way Apple handles iOS backups? Buddy you need to work on your communication skills.

Backups are extremely important if one values their work and being tied to a cloud service (paid or not) is shortsighted and poor.

I have worked on islands where internet coverage was spotty at best and a cloud solution was simply not an option.

If I wanted to use an iPad as my sole device, in a situation like this, then I would like to have a way to back it up regularly.

Having an extremely portable device that also has good battery life,like the iPad, is a good option for these situations, however there is also the need to back up the work and this is when a standalone backup would be appreciated.

Without the possibility to back up the iPad one is forced to take a laptop which is less energy efficient in some cases (I know of the existence of the MacBook).

So in my opinion, providing a single option for people who want to use or travel with only the iPad is both very poor form and secondly shortsighted, because as much as we would like to believe otherwise, internet coverage isn't available on every inch of the planet. Cell phone coverage either. That is why Sat phones are a necessity in some places and a standalone backup method would be very useful.

I like apple products, I like Microsoft products and I like goggle products, they all serve a purpose and each have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Backing up data is a universal concern and cloud services are not the holy grail, they serve a purpose and are useful in their own right, however they can and should not be trusted as the only solution.
 
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Just curious, but why are you willing to spend hundreds of dollars for a hardware backup that will assumingly have a shelf life of a few years at best, but not willing to spend $1-3 per month for some extra storage space on iCloud? Do the math and it comes out cheaper using iCloud.
 
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Just curious, but why are you willing to spend hundreds of dollars for a hardware backup that will assumingly have a shelf life of a few years at best, but not willing to spend $1-3 per month for some extra storage space on iCloud? Do the math and it comes out cheaper using iCloud.
I'm not entirely against it and will probably end up using a cloud based backup.

I was only looking for alternatives. I just love options :)
 
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I think you're getting upset at my responses and I'm not looking to rile anyone up, accuse anyone or even imply anything personally. All I was trying to do, was to convey Apple provides 2 ways of backing up your iPad, they also don't have an open system such as android so there is no third party alternative and I understand that those provided solutions (itunes and icloud) are not a good fit for you
 
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I think you're getting upset at my responses and I'm not looking to rile anyone up, accuse anyone or even imply anything personally. All I was trying to do, was to convey Apple provides 2 ways of backing up your iPad, they also don't have an open system such as android so there is no third party alternative and I understand that those provided solutions (itunes and icloud) are not a good fit for you
Actually, not upset, however I did not agree with how you presented your point of view.

I understand that this is an Apple centric site and as such people will be mostly biased towards apple's side.

As much as I like some of apple's offerings and definitely prefer their OS, both mobile and desktop, I don't like how they fall short on some very basic issues.
 
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Actually, not upset, however I did not agree with how you presented your point of view.

I understand that this is an Apple centric site and as such people will be mostly biased towards apple's side.

As much as I like some of apple's offerings and definitely prefer their OS, both mobile and desktop, I don't like how they fall short on some very basic issues.
I think you've answered your own questions. It (the walled garden, the "Apple way") is not for everybody, and Apple is very clear about that.
Different strokes.
 
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Actually, not upset, however I did not agree with how you presented your point of view.
Fair enough, you have a right to your opinion, I respect that. I suppose if what Apple offers is insufficient, then perhaps Apple's solution is not fit with your needs - one size does not fit all.
 
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I think you've answered your own questions. It (the walled garden, the "Apple way") is not for everybody, and Apple is very clear about that.
Different strokes.
Fair enough, you have a right to your opinion, I respect that. I suppose if what Apple offers is insufficient, then perhaps Apple's solution is not fit with your needs - one size does not fit all.
Good lord!!! Lol

I didn't intend to start a debate on what I like and dislike about Apple hardware and services, lol, all I was curious about was the possibility of a standalone backup solution for iOS .(excluding cloud services and iTunes)

What is or is not fit for my needs can be determined by one person and one person only... me.

It has been oddly entertaining lol
 
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Just back it up once a week with iTunes. Only takes a few minutes. . . You do not need to sit and watch it.
If you use an iPad daily for creation, then backup should be AT LEAST once a day, which is too often for it not to be automatic.

Personally I find it silly that there is no ability to back up an iOS device automatically at home without paying monthly. Macs can do it after all. I'd be more than happy to pay for the software. But if it hasn't come out after a decade of iOS I don't think it ever will.


You can also set up your iOS device to backup via WiFi so you don't have to tether to your computer.
I think you mean sync, right? Anyway that only includes iTunes data, not individual app data.
 
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