iPad Drives Apple to Third Place Among Global Portable Computer Manufacturers

[Popeye206]

Interesting point!

When the iPad was released Apple made it clear that the iPad was not a laptop replacement. Now that investrors are claiming Ipad sales are cannibalizing net book sales, I am sure Apple will nod it's head and agree that the iPad is a netbook killer.

Despite the irony of what the iPad is becoming, I am happy that Apple has become the computer maker that it could only dream of a couple of years ago. Competition is good!

Why is it a netbook killer? Why do you buy a netbook? Most buy them for the mobile computing. Mobile= email and web. Email and Web = iPad.

Plus, netbook keyboards are a joke. Putting a crippled Windows on them on that little screen that you can hardly see is a joke. They just made everything smaller with no consideration for the size and usability. I never got why you'd want one other than it was the only choice for something really small and portable. Now there is a choice and the alternative was designed from the ground up for that mobile experience. The iPad advantage.

 

[KnightWRX]

Why is it a netbook killer? Why do you buy a netbook? Most buy them for the mobile computing. Mobile= email and web. Email and Web = iPad.

Maybe to you, but to others, mobile is much more. I couldn't do a tenth of the stuff I do on my Macbook on an iPad. I could on a netbook.

Why do some people on here try to pretend their needs are the same as everyone else's ?

 

[Full of Win]

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Why is it a netbook killer? Why do you buy a netbook? Most buy them for the mobile computing. Mobile= email and web. Email and Web = iPad.

Plus, netbook keyboards are a joke. Putting a crippled Windows on them on that little screen that you can hardly see is a joke. They just made everything smaller with no consideration for the size and usability. I never got why you'd want one other than it was the only choice for something really small and portable. Now there is a choice and the alternative was designed from the ground up for that mobile experience. The iPad advantage.

For many the definition of mobile computing = net book + monitor + keyboard at their destination. The onboard keyboard is nothing more than a once in a while interface. This is where the iPad fails. It could make up for some this failing with a built in access to the files on it via Bluetooth, wifi of USB connection, but so far Apple has not implemented anything like this yet. The best we get is emailing documents and very limited mobile me support.

 

[gathart]

Maybe to you, but to others, mobile is much more. I couldn't do a tenth of the stuff I do on my Macbook on an iPad. I could on a netbook.

Why do some people on here try to pretend their needs are the same as everyone else's ?

I have to disagree with you there, since I use logmein I haven't needed my laptop or netbook at all.

 

[Stately]

Waiting on that ipad pro Steve . .

 

[spazzcat]

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For many the definition of mobile computing = net book + monitor + keyboard at their destination. The onboard keyboard is nothing more than a once in a while interface. This is where the iPad fails. It could make up for some this failing with a built in access to the files on it via Bluetooth, wifi of USB connection, but so far Apple has not implemented anything like this yet. The best we get is emailing documents and very limited mobile me support.

Guess you have never used dropbox, it takes care of all my files needs. I am writing this post on my iPad using a Blutooth keyboard at work. The fact that people are buying iPads and not netbooks and low end laptops should be a clue, but I guess its not...

Another thing that is happening with dropbox is apps are now staring to use it directly. For example 1Password now sync in the cloud through dropbox.

 

[spazzcat]

Maybe to you, but to others, mobile is much more. I couldn't do a tenth of the stuff I do on my Macbook on an iPad. I could on a netbook.

Why do some people on here try to pretend their needs are the same as everyone else's ?

That is may reason we have desktops, laptop, tablet computers. They fit a need. The iPad IMHO is the first truly useful tablet computer. What I am waiting for is Photoshop Lite. I am willing to bet money that Adobe is working on it right now...

 

[techkidd4400]

Why is it a netbook killer? Why do you buy a netbook? Most buy them for the mobile computing. Mobile= email and web. Email and Web = iPad.

Plus, netbook keyboards are a joke. Putting a crippled Windows on them on that little screen that you can hardly see is a joke. They just made everything smaller with no consideration for the size and usability. I never got why you'd want one other than it was the only choice for something really small and portable. Now there is a choice and the alternative was designed from the ground up for that mobile experience. The iPad advantage.

I am a big fan of the iPad, but the original post pointed out that Wall Street investors are gambling on the claim that the iPad is a netbook killer, not me. The iPad is a disrupting technology, but that will not be proven until a second or third version iPad is produced and competing Tablets (new) are sold. Then, netbooks will disappear and I have no idea who will use laptops.

 

[KnightWRX]

I have to disagree with you there, since I use logmein I haven't needed my laptop or netbook at all.

Ah, another "My needs are met, so should everyone else's". Logmein is not workable for the stuff I do on my Macbook. You even quoted the part where I asked why people need to pretend that their needs are the same as everyone else's...

You disagree that mobile needs depend on each person ? Seriously...

That is may reason we have desktops, laptop, tablet computers. They fit a need. The iPad IMHO is the first truly useful tablet computer. What I am waiting for is Photoshop Lite. I am willing to bet money that Adobe is working on it right now...

Exactly. The iPad might be enough for some, but it's not a replacement for every other mobile solution out there. And other solutions are no less mobile than an iPad because they do more than Web and E-mail like Popeye was trying to pretend.

 

[umrk]

I find charts such as these to be useless. Jobs himself said that the iPad is not to be confused with notebooks or netbooks. And most people view the iPad as being something totally different than the latter two, despite the main commonality, which is being able to surfing the web on-the-go. Personally, I don't even understand why they (the analysts) view notebooks and netbooks in the same light, when their functions and capabilities are usually on vastly different levels. But, being able to surf the web, play music, and edit documents are the defining characteristics of today's "portable computers."

Forget the debate about the definition. One thing is for sure, given the charts : the iPad cannibalizes the notebooks/netbooks ...

 

[macpro2000]

Add my stat to the list. Just picked up a 32 3G+WiFi last night.

 

[Billrey]

iPad is a computer

To me the iPad is certainly a computer. I continually use it over my 15" MacBook Pro for most tasks, such as browsing the web, emails, games and so on. If I use it instead of the Pro, it replaces it most of the time for me. Ergo the iPad is a computer.

The iPhone on the other hand I almost never reach for when I have my MBP open.

(Sent from my iPad ofcourse!)

 

[Stella]

The iPad is a great product. I decided to wait for the 3G version, and it's neat and all, but the honeymoon has passed. Not being able to get to some Flash sites is annoying; it would be nice if web designers recognized this trend and immediately converted sites to HTML5.

That will happen slowly because the most popular browser ( and worst ) in the world doesn't support HTML5.

Web sites are not cheap to build / re-write. So, even when IE9 does arrive, IE7 and IE8 ( and IE6 in some cases ) will still need to be supported.

 

[kallisti]

You missed my point. Apple RESTRICTS the KINDS of apps I can put on my device.

The hardware and software MAY physically constitute a computer, but as long as it is locked down by Apple's policies, restricting what I can do with it, then I don't personally consider it on the same par as say a netbook, which has no such (artificial, I should add) restrictions. And since I consider a netbook to be a computer for these reasons, I don't consider the iPad to be one for the same reasons.

Once Apple comes out with XCode for it, or even lets me install a Python interpereter for it, then I'll change my mind.

You have a very bizarre way of defining a computer.

 

[KnightWRX]

To me the iPad is certainly a computer.

It most certainly is, but not because of :

I continually use it over my 15" MacBook Pro for most tasks, such as browsing the web, emails, games and so on. If I use it instead of the Pro, it replaces it most of the time for me. Ergo the iPad is a computer.

No, the iPad is not a computer because you use it instead of a Macbook Pro. I don't use my bike's ECM to surf the web or read e-mails, but it's still a computer. Same for my car's ECM, same for our Integrity servers at work, same for the Cisco switches on our backbone, same for that other guy's TI-69 calculator.

The iPhone on the other hand I almost never reach for when I have my MBP open.

Which doesn't matter, because the iPhone is still a computer. The definition of a computer is not "something you reach for that is equivalent to a MBP".

The iPad is very much a computer. It's not in the same segment or market as a laptop or netbook though. What a concept uh ? Different computers that fulfill different needs and thus can't be really compared to each other. Some people really have a problem looking at the world beyond their own personal reality.

 

[OllyW]

To me the iPad is certainly a computer. I continually use it over my 15" MacBook Pro for most tasks, such as browsing the web, emails, games and so on. If I use it instead of the Pro, it replaces it most of the time for me. Ergo the iPad is a computer.

The iPhone on the other hand I almost never reach for when I have my MBP open.

(Sent from my iPad ofcourse!)

Are you going to get rid of your MBP?

 

[Full of Win]

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Guess you have never used dropbox, it takes care of all my files needs. I am writing this post on my iPad using a Blutooth keyboard at work. The fact that people are buying iPads and not netbooks and low end laptops should be a clue, but I guess its not...

Another thing that is happening with dropbox is apps are now staring to use it directly. For example 1Password now sync in the cloud through dropbox.

Great, but many business and academic networks do not allow personal owned devices on their networks. I really don't want to have an Internet connection as a major part of my mobile computing methodology. Sure it's nice to have, but using drop box, or any internet solution, can leave you SOL Also, for all our Internet savvy, it's still common to have USB thumb-drive driven sneakernets, in which case the iPad fails once again relative to the netbooks. One thing that we have learned from this thread is that it's different strokes for different fokes.

 

[Popeye206]

Maybe to you, but to others, mobile is much more. I couldn't do a tenth of the stuff I do on my Macbook on an iPad. I could on a netbook.

Why do some people on here try to pretend their needs are the same as everyone else's ?

WHAT? I wasn't pretending anything. Obviously, you think your needs are what everyone else needs! Funny... what you're blasting me on is what you're doing!

I was just pointing out, that MOST people buy netbooks for email, web and light computing. Like yourself, for the heavy duty computing you own a laptop. I was just making sense of why the iPad is so popular. Obviously many people just want it for what it is and it's affecting netbook sales. So... I was just stating why I thought this was happening.

My personal preference is a laptop. I have an iPhone for my mobile email and such. Until I can do more on a tablet of any kind, I won't be buying one personally. I need more than what an iPad offers today and I'd much rather have a full laptop than a "mini-me" laptop when on the road.

 

[Popeye206]

I am a big fan of the iPad, but the original post pointed out that Wall Street investors are gambling on the claim that the iPad is a netbook killer, not me. The iPad is a disrupting technology, but that will not be proven until a second or third version iPad is produced and competing Tablets (new) are sold. Then, netbooks will disappear and I have no idea who will use laptops.

I think laptops will be an essential for a long time. I know for work, I need a full computer and a laptop gives me that. I think it's the Desktop is slowly being eliminated. I think people like mobility and that is what drives all this.

No matter what... more toys for us all!

 

[robogobo]

I hear all these people who've never actually used an iPad saying stuff like "just an oversized iPod touch" etc etc. and then there's this pissing contest between netbooks, notebooks, and laptops, and for some people it's not ok for the iPad to be in there. It's as if it's all about horsepower. Sorry, but NO portable computer has enough horsepower to do any serious work because they're all crippled, either in terms of cpu, graphics, peripherals, batteries, screen size, etc. Laptops are either too small to be usable or too big to be portable. So when you really consider what one needs to do, as a subset of what one is capable of doing, the iPad is ideal. It's in its infancy, and it will become more and more capable and open as time goes on. But, one thing is for sure- it's more powerful then my old 15" Powerbook for anything I ever actually did on the road.

For me, it's the perfect mobile computer. yes- computer. I do any serious work in my studio, at my desk, on a really powerful Mac Pro and a huge 30" monitor. For anything on the road, the iPad is perfect, including importing and reviewing and sending photos, writing, organizing, contacting, researching- all the stuff I used to do on a laptop. And the iPad does it better.

So, I don't know what all the fuss is about. get over it.

edit: and then of course there's VNC- the iPad is the perfect thin client.

 

[LagunaSol]

iPad 2.0 should be coming soon. I'm thinking in the fall.

Depends on when I buy mine. If I pick one up this weekend as planned, a new model will definitely be out this fall, and I'll wish I had waited.

If I decide to wait, we won't see a revision until next spring, and I'll wish I had picked one up this weekend.

 

[spazzcat]

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Great, but many business and academic networks do not allow personal owned devices on their networks. I really don't want to have an Internet connection as a major part of my mobile computing methodology. Sure it's nice to have, but using drop box, or any internet solution, can leave you SOL Also, for all our Internet savvy, it's still common to have USB thumb-drive driven sneakernets, in which case the iPad fails once again relative to the netbooks. One thing that we have learned from this thread is that it's different strokes for different fokes.

I never heard of academics not allowing personal owned systems on their network, but what does that have to do with anything? It wouldn't matter if it was a desktop, laptop, netbook, iPad, iPhone it wouldn't be allowed on the network. And this is where the 3G iPad comes in, at work, our internet is locked down to the point where it is almost useless. So, I have an iPad 3G, problem solved... Also, my employer does not allow the used of USB thumb-drives and they actively scan for them on the network.

 

[KnightWRX]

WHAT? I wasn't pretending anything. Obviously, you think your needs are what everyone else needs! Funny... what you're blasting me on is what you're doing!

Uh ? I never pretended my needs were what everyone does ? You're the one that equatted mobile to web and e-mail, don't put words in my mouth boy.

 

[fxtech]

That is may reason we have desktops, laptop, tablet computers. They fit a need. The iPad IMHO is the first truly useful tablet computer. What I am waiting for is Photoshop Lite. I am willing to bet money that Adobe is working on it right now...

Not possible. The problem with the tablet is your finger gets in the way! You can't see where you're painting!

For other image editing tasks, like cropping, rotating, levels, filters, and even basic paint with clone, etc you've got great apps like Photo fx Ultra from Tiffen.

 

[fxtech]

You have a very bizarre way of defining a computer.

I've been programming computers for 30 years. I can't program my iPad ON MY iPad. Maybe I should have said it's not ENOUGH of a computer, for me.