Most 4 function calculators are no longer programmable after leaving the factory.
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iPad Drives Apple to Third Place Among Global Portable Computer Manufacturers
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Ummm? does any read past comments that upset them before replying?
I posted the comment about the apps and the photoshop...
then..
and right afer that....
So yah... anyone that made comments about mine after i posted my reply to spazzcat..... i dont even need to say it, but good work with reading.
I posted the comment about the apps and the photoshop...
then..
and right afer that....
So yah... anyone that made comments about mine after i posted my reply to spazzcat..... i dont even need to say it, but good work with reading.
This is fluffy news at it's best, an iPad is not to be confused with a netbook, what next, do we start counting iPod touch sales too, because it's really just a big iPod touch?
The definition I was referring to from an earlier post was "A computer is a programmable machine that receives input, stores and manipulates data, and provides output in a useful format."
It makes no mention of being programmable.
For most users, those are hardly alternatives to native apps from the app store. Web apps can't do everything that a native app can do. Developer distributions are clumsy and clunky for widespread distribution and most people wouldn't know where to even start.
Indeed not - it has a much brighter future
Multi touch interfaces will change the way we worn with computers.
The keyboard and mouse will still exist - but will spend a lot more time gathering dust on a shelf.
My HP 48 (calculator) is a computer - custom 4bit processor and all. And it's a general purpose computer. Programmable by the user *on the actual device*, with IO etc.
The iPad might be a computer (question of definitions), but lumping it in the same category as notebooks or even netbooks doesn't make sense (to me), if you're going to do that then you might as well add mobile phones (android, iPhone) to that mix - after all they have the same processor, similar resolution etc...
Perhaps a useful definition of a computer versus an appliance is whether it can (or often is), programmable in situ?
LOL, you are saying that notebooks are outdated? I must be typing this on myoutdated MBP, used as my sole computer (home, office, travel). Oh sure, I gotta swap over to a iPad for those tasks...
Exactly, I'm using my works notebook for Visual Studio development right now, and no iPad is going to do that.
Notebooks aren't going anywhere for a while.
Sometimes, they don't even read their own comments! For example (bold added):
Pfft.
In other words he's made this change to how the iPad is viewed in the marketplace and hopes others agree -- since it's makes it him look more competent at his job.
Let's see. If one can surf the web, read and write email, download and watch movies, write with a word processor, build a spreadsheet, create a presentation, play games, read books, remotely control other appliances, draw, control another computer, etc., etc., most folks would call that device a computer.
One could not initially program on the original Macintosh either. It required a Lisa based development system. All it had was MacWrite, MacPaint, 128 KB of RAM, 64 KB ROM, and a 400 KB disk drive. I never heard anyone suggest the Mac was not a computer.
One could not initially program on the original Macintosh either. It required a Lisa based development system. All it had was MacWrite, MacPaint, 128 KB of RAM, 64 KB ROM, and a 400 KB disk drive. I never heard anyone suggest the Mac was not a computer.
I can do all that with my phone. Why aren't they included in the figures?
But this is completely different. You could not program on the original Mac just because no dev tools were available at the beginning. But everyone was allowed to create them and several third parties have done it. This happened quite quickly and it was probably intended by Apple.
This happened on many other platforms, too. At the beginning of the 1990s, Linux was not able to run a compiler. So early Linux developers had to use cross compilers on other systems until the most essential tools were ready to go on Linux itself.
On the iPad it cannot be done because it is simply prohibited by Apple. So an important class of applications (dev tools) are not possible on the iPad and development for it will continue to depend on other platforms. This makes iOS some kind of an embedded system (and not a general purpose computer) even tough it may be more powerful than many "computers".
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Imagine a world where the DS and PSP were the only computers available.
It wouldn't take long for people to develop word processors, spreadsheets, keyboards and other peripherals, ability to print, etc, etc.
They are real computers, just very specialized ones.
A lot of people, including you, like to classify all people who tinker with PC builds as 30-somethings living in their mothers' basements. Building and maintaining a PC, for many people, holds the same appeal that others have in maintaining a classic car. There's something fun about going in and improving on a device after it's started to show its age. I own a MacBook Pro and I've built my own PC. In some ways, I love the the fact that I cannot ***** with my Mac too much, because it gives me reliability. BUT, despite all my tinkering with my PC-build, it still runs smoothly and virus-free after 4 years....and I don't live in my mother's basement.
I own a Mac because I like Mac OS X, but after Windows 7, I must admit that I am finding much more to love about Windows machines. It's all a matter of preference. After jailbreaking my iPhone 3G, it's opened up a whole new world of possibilities for a dated phone, especially unlocking. That level of freedom is nice. It's also nice not to have to put out £2000 for a new PC every 3 or 4 years, just because the iMac doesn't let you swap out a video card (and the Mac Pro's video card offering is seriously lacking in range). After my initial investment of £800 for my PC four years ago, I've only had to put in another £500 to keep it up with the times. If I was using an iMac that was 4 years old, it would not be able to play the latest games or present HD content half as well as my 4 year-old PC. So, stop your generalisations and accept that some people are different than you are without being worthless.
Been there, done that. And the cost of developing code for an iPod Touch, iPhone or iPad is about 10 times lower than the cost of developing for the original Macintosh. Mac Mini + cheap monitor, mouse and keyboard + $99 for developer kit is less than $1000, Lisa was $9,999.
You obviously don't know your Mac history very well, then. The original Macintosh being dismissed as "a toy" by makers of the dominate IBM-PC clones when it first came out is well known.
You have to read before you reply. Outdated FORM. I have no denial in the function of the laptop being above the iPad...wtf. However, the form makes it less than practical for truly portable computing. You have to stop and sit or put it somewhere to use it, battery life blows, starting up and shutting down is impractical, etc.
Though the tablet form is currently not powerful enough for some common computing, it will be relatively soon. Give it 3 years and the iPad can do almost all of what the market does on laptops. Sure there are always people that will need strong computers for bigger CPU functions, but 95% of all computer users probably never do high power gaming, CGI stuff, print production graphics, etc. Tablets will now take over most of the laptop market, squeezing out the mid-power laptop computers via the low powered tablets for data gathering and perusal when away from higher powered desktops.
Interesting point!
When the iPad was released Apple made it clear that the iPad was not a laptop replacement. Now that investrors are claiming Ipad sales are cannibalizing net book sales, I am sure Apple will nod it's head and agree that the iPad is a netbook killer.
Despite the irony of what the iPad is becoming, I am happy that Apple has become the computer maker that it could only dream of a couple of years ago. Competition is good!
iPad was and is a category creator. I wouldnt call it a netbook, all practicality aside, its better. But you want a computer, you get a computer, dont buy the iPad. I lug mine around uni, and get people asking "is it good? should i get one?" then theyll complain saying "aww, you can use USB, you cant do this yadayada". Ill say "you want a computer, get a computer, get a macbook pro, its pretty sexy too, you want a machine for taking notes, reading ebooks, listening to music, watching movies, surfing the net and checking you facebook/email, then get an iPad. It's not rocket science, but the answer is simple, i dont consider it a portable computer (regardless of definition) simply because, it does not do what a computer would do for me. It's still an amazing device tho and i love it, and usually after playing with mine for a while the skeptics will say "hmm, now that i use it a bit it does seem pretty intuitive and simple" Ya think?
How soon do you think the iPad will be fully functional without the need of another Mac or PC to sync to?
Once you've got rid of that restriction then you'll need to be able to control your iTunes library and sync your iPods and iPhones from the iPad if it's to be a true (low-end) laptop replacement. I've no doubt that it's possible but I don't see Jobs allowing it, he'd still prefer you to buy a MacBook and an iPad.
How soon do you think the iPad will be fully functional without the need of another Mac or PC to sync to?
Once you've got rid of that restriction then you'll need to be able to control your iTunes library and sync your iPods and iPhones from the iPad if it's to be a true (low-end) laptop replacement. I've no doubt that it's possible but I don't see Jobs allowing it, he'd still prefer you to buy a MacBook and an iPad.
I would say its the record and movie studios that are keeping iTunes from becoming cloud based. Remember Apple makes very little off iTunes, they make their money selling hardware.
Also, I sync very little with iTunes anymore. I put my photos on my iPad from the camera, I haven't bought any music in a long time. I use Pandora for all my music needs, addresses sync with MobileMe. Calendar syncs though google apps. Movies and TV I get from Hulu+...
Personally, I think Netbooks are a waste of time. It's like a Jr. Cheeseburger... everything is there, but it's small and lacking. To me, you either need a real laptop or you need something more like an iPad. If all you need is something for email, web and light computing, products like the iPad are perfect. If you need computing power and application flexibility, you're much better off with a full size laptop.
By the looks of it, the market agree's. iPad 2.0 should be coming soon. I'm thinking in the fall. That will really set the market on fire and it will be interesting to see how MS tries to pull it off.
By the looks of it, the market agree's. iPad 2.0 should be coming soon. I'm thinking in the fall. That will really set the market on fire and it will be interesting to see how MS tries to pull it off.