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I think the best way for you to be convinced (although at this point I doubt it's possible) is to just Youtube the Fire, the Galaxy Tab, The XOOM, and the Transformer Prime. Find videos that show navigation, UI elements, etc. If you can't see the differences between the Fire and the other tablets, and the similarities between the other ones, then there's no point in arguing with me, because I won't be able to convince you.

I've used all of them myself, and as I told you, they all have different skins, but they also all run the same OS underneath. The HTC Flyer and Motorola XOOM are completely different when you use them, but they're still both Android.
 
"Linux" is freely licensed for the most part. "Firefox", like "Android" is not. Google has specific requirements for any use of the Android trademark, which devices such as the Kindle Fire do not meet.

http://source.android.com/faqs.html#what-does-compatibility-mean

The requirements are only for companies that want to use the trademark, not the OS itself. For instance, if a company wants to advertise their tablet as running Android, then they have to meet those requirements. If they don't want to, like Amazon, they don't have to meet them. They can still use Android as their OS.
 
I have no idea who "benefits". Maybe someone who's interested in global penetration of Linux based OS. Doesn't take away from the fact that Android is based on Linux, and technically these are Linux based devices. I don't understand why this is so challenging for people to accept.

Not hard to accept at all. You can combine things in a lot of different ways. The question is why they would be combined in a market analysis. Your answer appears to be, "Why not?" If that is what we are going by, why not combine all OS that contain the letter "i" into one category?

I'm betting the reason why lies in Strategy Analytics' customer list.
 
I've used all of them myself, and as I told you, they all have different skins, but they also all run the same OS underneath. The HTC Flyer and Motorola XOOM are completely different when you use them, but they're still both Android.

Yeah let's stop...
 
The requirements are only for companies that want to use the trademark, not the OS itself. For instance, if a company wants to advertise their tablet as running Android, then they have to meet those requirements. If they don't want to, like Amazon, they don't have to meet them.

Yep

They can still use Android as their OS.

Their OS is not Android if they don't meet those requirements. It is based on the Android source code.
 
If you've no actual points to make, we might as well.

I've made my points, and you've dismissed them. Would you like to tell me what you want me to say, to appease you? Would that further your point?
 
"Linux" is freely licensed for the most part. "Firefox", like "Android" is not. Google has specific requirements for any use of the Android trademark, which devices such as the Kindle Fire do not meet.

http://source.android.com/faqs.html#what-does-compatibility-mean

So that talks about the term "Android Compatible". And, not that I care, but the Kindle Fire meets those requirements. It also talks about how companies can optionally "license the Android Market client software". Interesting how this is not mandatory to be "Android Compatible".

Soooo, care to share how this proves the Fire is not an Android device?
 
Apple: -10%

Android: +10%

Just a matter of time before more android tablets, just like what happened with phones. Apple should keep a good niche for the amateur users, but people who like customization and freedom will move on.
 
The requirements are only for companies that want to use the trademark, not the OS itself. For instance, if a company wants to advertise their tablet as running Android, then they have to meet those requirements. If they don't want to, like Amazon, they don't have to meet them. They can still use Android as their OS.
Amazon doesn't state in the tech specs what OS it's running, but they do clearly use and reference the Amazon Android Appstore.
So they do acknowledge it in a round about way.

Technically speaking though, since it doesn't use any of the Google apps (Android Market, GMail, Google Maps, etc) and doesn't require a GMail account to use, Google doesn't count it as an activated device.

You will also not find a Google logo or Android logo on a Fire either.
 
Their OS is not Android if they don't meet those requirements. It is based on the Android source code.

Their OS is Android even if they don't meet it the requirements. The requirements are only for the trademark, not the OS.
 
If the Kindle Fire isn't Android because it's been customised, then surely the same goes for all phones with HTC Sense, Samsung TouchWiz, etc? :confused:

Phones with TouchWiz or Sense still use the Google services and are counted in Android activations. The Kindle Fire, again, does not use Google services and is not counted in Android activation.

I can't believe this is such a hard concept to grasp for some.
 
Phones with TouchWiz or Sense still use the Google services and are counted in Android activations. The Kindle Fire, again, does not use Google services and is not counted in Android activation.

I can't believe this is such a hard concept to grasp for some.

So, again, does this mean CyanogenMod isn't Android?
 
Yep



Their OS is not Android if they don't meet those requirements. It is based on the Android source code.

Actually, yes it does meet the requirements. This is the single requirement:
"We define an 'Android compatible' device as one that can run any application written by third-party developers using the Android SDK and NDK."

The Fire obviously meets this requirement.
 
My point is that it's an OS intended for something else with accommodations for other functions.

Windows XP Tablet PC Edition is not intended for anything other than Tablet PCs. That is again why I don't get your point. You're saying Windows XP Tablet PC edition was not intended for... Tablet PCs ? Makes no sense to me.

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So, again, does this mean CyanogenMod isn't Android?

Is it using Google services or is it counted in activations ? That should answer your question is what I think.
 
Phones with TouchWiz or Sense still use the Google services and are counted in Android activations. The Kindle Fire, again, does not use Google services and is not counted in Android activation.

I can't believe this is such a hard concept to grasp for some.

Nowhere does it state that an Android device is required to use google services. Sorry, I know you think it "should" work this way, but you're just making things up right now.
 
Amazon doesn't state in the tech specs what OS it's running, but they do clearly use and reference the Amazon Android Appstore.
So they do acknowledge it in a round about way.

Technically speaking though, since it doesn't use any of the Google apps (Android Market, GMail, Google Maps, etc) and doesn't require a GMail account to use, Google doesn't count it as an activated device.

You will also not find a Google logo or Android logo on a Fire either.

I guess the number of actual tablets running Android are much, much higher.
 
So that talks about the term "Android Compatible". And, not that I care, but the Kindle Fire meets those requirements.

Source?

It also talks about how companies can optionally "license the Android Market client software". Interesting how this is not mandatory to be "Android Compatible".

Soooo, care to share how this proves the Fire is not an Android device?

"In other words, compatibility is a prerequisite to participate in the Android apps ecosystem. Anyone is welcome to use the Android source code, but if the device isn't compatible, it's not considered part of the Android ecosystem."
 
So, again, does this mean CyanogenMod isn't Android?

I don't see why you bring up CyanogenMod. It's a ROM, which only separates Google Apps from the ROM itself, because Google cried copyright infringement. But they provide their gapps.zip file along with their ROM itself, because you're going to be using CM on a phone or tablet which uses Google Services. When you flash CM and then flash gapps.zip, you are connected to Google's services and your device that you run CM on is an Android device that has the Market, Google Sync, Google Services and Google Branding. Or are you saying you just flash CM and don't flash the google apps right after?
 
Nowhere does it state that an Android device is required to use google services. Sorry, I know you think it "should" work this way, but you're just making things up right now.

Google. Activations. Counting.

3 words. 5 pages of threads. Grasp them already.
 
And we know from Apple's financial call that Apple sold more iPads than they shipped (as a result of a decrease in channel inventory.) I'd bet the opposite is true for the other devices.

Not all. Some companies stopped shipping entirely, and will never ship again, but they sold the remaining inventory off.
 
I love it how everybody is missing the obvious, Apple slipped from 68% Market Share to 57% Market Share!! While Android Gained 10%!

Android is growing fast, and I don´t think Fire has much to do with it, its probably more Samsung Galaxy Tab, which for some reason everybody loves. :confused:
 
I'm actually surprised Android is doing that well. I wonder if that's because Kindle Fire #s are included. I'm sure they are and that is why. I'm not saying they shouldn't be included.

Android tablet numbers are so high because those 89$ pantrash picture frames that run android are counted as tablets.
 
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