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Just for christ's sake - Why is a tablet not a personal computing device? Why is a tablet POST PC? I don't get the meaning of this buzz-word.

Oh, and what you really should do, please do me a favor and do some internet searches on future Office revisions. With the Metro UI Office will be a charm on Windows8 based tablets.
You find a UI based on street signs from Europe to be an intuitive metaphor for a desktop or tablet UI? Really? MSFT absolutely ruined MS Office with the ribbon interface which resulted in functions being hidden behind tabs with names unrelated to the function because they ran out of tabs to group it under. Adding Metro to Office would make it worse, not better.
Aaaah, I forgot. If we believe *LTD* then Excel will suck on a tablet. Meanwhile the *revolutionary* and *magical* Numbers is perfectly suited for the iPad.
Have you seen the UI of Numbers for the iPad? It is finger friendly. I do not have confidence in MSFT to deliver Excel in a finger friendly UI because they have been up to now tooting the "stylus/ink" horn.
You see the logical holes in your argument?
I would ask the same question.
Disclaimer: I am personally not interested in the tablet market. If I wanted to surf the web in the restroom I'd use my Android phone. If I want to game I use my console. So definitely no need for a tablet.
If you are not interested in tablets then why are you in this thread? For the lulz? How would you use a console to play games on a tour bus, on a train, plain or cab? Would you lug your console with you to play it in a hotel room?
 
Random thought...

Up until last week I had never played around with a different tablet than iPad. I was in Best Buy and played with the Motorola Xoom. Since it can do Flash, I was curious how it would perform.

Honestly, it did great! I was able to use my company's flash-applet webpage very easily (something that's been keeping me from replacing my laptop with an iPad) and I streamed 1080p .flv YouTube videos in the browser full-screen and it looked on-par with my year old Mac Mini at home.

Perhaps it's time to set up a "Special Event" for iOS Flash support as the newest rehashed Apple idea.
 
That's interesting, RIM supposedly had 42% "smartphone" market share in Canada, yet 83% of traffic is coming from iOS.

Rim browsers sucks. Also a lot of people on RIM use 3rd party browsers like Bolt or Opera and if those are in use they are not going to be pick up as a blackberry. It will be picked up as a computer.

RIM storm and Touch are the best blackberry to surf the web on and even then not as good as iOS.

Android, iOS and WP7 all have much MUCH better browsers and phone design for surfing the web.
 
Honestly, it did great! I was able to use my company's flash-applet webpage very easily (something that's been keeping me from replacing my laptop with an iPad) and I streamed 1080p .flv YouTube videos in the browser full-screen and it looked on-par with my year old Mac Mini at home.

Giant LOL at any company using a Flash webpage in 2011.
 
Just for christ's sake - Why is a tablet not a personal computing device? Why is a tablet POST PC? I don't get the meaning of this buzz-word.

Look at the industry pre-iPhone. Look at it today. Post-PC. The iPad was the necessary big push into the environment that came into being with the release of the iPhone.

Oh, and what you really should do, please do me a favor and do some internet searches on future Office revisions. With the Metro UI Office will be a charm on Windows8 based tablets.

MS must first achieve relevance in the mind of consumers to even achieve an average competitive state in the mobile space. So far consumers have demonstrated that this hasn't happened.

Aaaah, I forgot. If we believe *LTD* then Excel will suck on a tablet. Meanwhile the *revolutionary* and *magical* Numbers is perfectly suited for the iPad.

Of course it's perfectly suited for the iPad. Because it was designed *for* the iPad. Sinofsky and crew just don't get this, as is apparent from the latest All Things Digital video. MS is doing the same thing they've done all along: trying to shoehorn a full OS onto a tablet. Except this time they think they can hide all that colossal, inelegant, poorly-conceived mess behind an oddball UI layer.

It's not only a bad idea in terms of usability, but it's also monumentally lazy. And let's face it, this has been par for the course at MS for years now: how can we take the status quo we're used to doing and just bolt it on to all the new stuff out there so we can be relevant? Folly.

Disclaimer: I am personally not interested in the tablet market. If I wanted to surf the web in the restroom I'd use my Android phone. If I want to game I use my console. So definitely no need for a tablet.

Evolution will happen without your interest, then.
 
Just for christ's sake - Why is a tablet not a personal computing device? Why is a tablet POST PC? I don't get the meaning of this buzz-word.
Why is a PC not a pocket or tabletop calculator? Why is a PC not a mainframe?

Unless you make clear what you consider sensible definitions of various electronic products (or why you disagree with a definition made by somebody else), you criticise via an unspoken implications which makes it impossible to answer (or counter) your arguments.

I mean, why is a smartphone not a PC? Why is a PDA not a PC?

Define what is a PC and what is not a PC and why so.
 
Define what is a PC and what is not a PC and why so.

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The iPads a great complimentary device but IMO its still got some way to go before it can realistically be an average users only computer. If your just talking about sales then 2020 sounds about right but how many would still have a laptop/computer as well? Plus the fact that i have had my iMac for nearly 4 years now. Will Apple support iPads for longer than they do iPhones? Or are consumers expected to buy a new one every 2 years?

I disagree.

Having been in it/sys administration for ~13 years, being familiar with the usage habits of thousands of users, and tracking tech-related ongoings for as long as i can remember, I can confidently say that 95% of users can get by with just an iPad. There will be rare cases where certain people need a software application that isn't available on the iPad (yet), but they represent a very, very, very small minority of average users. I made the switch myself and life has never been better; a lot of the "power-user" things I used to do were completely useless - tailored my usage habits to the strengths of the iPad.
 
To me the numbers look like something is wrong with them. They are so far out of line with market share in phones that it makes me question if any of them are valid. The tablet numbers I know are wrong and the way the data is collected is bad.
Since the data collection is garbage the results are garbage.
To me this is example of the lazy media only caring about headlines because the results do not line up at all correctly and if something looks really wrong 99% of the time it is wrong.

You are making the assumption that everyone who buys a smart phone will want to browse the web. The stats show that most people buying Androids are only interested in the touch screen and could care less about Flash, or surfing the web. The only Fandroids interested in flash and surfing are the ones who campout in here, telling us how important it is and how dumb Apple is for not having it. The truth is now out iOS Rules! Deal with it.
 
Giant LOL at any company using a Flash webpage in 2011.
What`s more ridiculous is they have NO PLANS to switch to a different technology at present time. To me it`s a microcosm of just how much opportunity there is out there in the world of software.

:apple:
 
I disagree.

Having been in it/sys administration for ~13 years, being familiar with the usage habits of thousands of users, and tracking tech-related ongoings for as long as i can remember, I can confidently say that 95% of users can get by with just an iPad. There will be rare cases where certain people need a software application that isn't available on the iPad (yet), but they represent a very, very, very small minority of average users. I made the switch myself and life has never been better; a lot of the "power-user" things I used to do were completely useless - tailored my usage habits to the strengths of the iPad.

being a "power-user" isn't just using pro-style apps.

* large wide-screen displays
* media ports(SD card slots, etc..)
* dual-monitor setup
* multiple external hard drives
* ergonomic desk PC setup
* multi-core processor for being able to play high-end games at high FPS

The myth is the iPad has us in a "post-PC" era when in fact Macs are selling more then ever.
 
being a "power-user" isn't just using pro-style apps.

* large wide-screen displays
* media ports(SD card slots, etc..)
* dual-monitor setup
* multiple external hard drives
* ergonomic desk PC setup
* multi-core processor for being able to play high-end games at high FPS

The myth is the iPad has us in a "post-PC" era when in fact Macs are selling more then ever.

*why, when you can accomplish the same things on a small, portable display?
*outdated, upload photos directly to cloud. (sans high-end photographers who need to edit/touchup photos, part of aformentioned minority)
*see bullet-point #1
*why? Store files in cloud (I understand that nerds need to archive their tbs of pron, they're in aforementioned minority)
*no need for a pc desk - frees up floor-space, uses less electricity
*game on a console, only geeks game on pcs.

The iMac is selling better than ever - you're going to start seeing a lot more iOS/tablet-esque features in iMacs, the two lines will slowly converge into one (iPad).
 
You are making the assumption that everyone who buys a smart phone will want to browse the web. The stats show that most people buying Androids are only interested in the touch screen and could care less about Flash, or surfing the web. The only Fandroids interested in flash and surfing are the ones who campout in here, telling us how important it is and how dumb Apple is for not having it. The truth is now out iOS Rules! Deal with it.

It's all about usability.
 
It WOULD DEFINITELY be 100% if it featured Flash
(No Sarcasm, Just Fact).

Yet I have no desire for Uncle Steve to feel anything less than the Supreme Being HE thinks he is.

Two years - no flash complaints here.

Edit: I guess it's more like a year and a half.
 
Just for christ's sake - Why is a tablet not a personal computing device? Why is a tablet POST PC? I don't get the meaning of this buzz-word.

Oh, and what you really should do, please do me a favor and do some internet searches on future Office revisions. With the Metro UI Office will be a charm on Windows8 based tablets.

Aaaah, I forgot. If we believe *LTD* then Excel will suck on a tablet. Meanwhile the *revolutionary* and *magical* Numbers is perfectly suited for the iPad.

You see the logical holes in your argument?

For Christ's sake? I didn't realize this religious war was turning into, uh, a religious war. :)

OK, I'll try to explain what I mean. Why is an iPad a Post-PC device while still being a computer? PC in this context means a box and keyboard and mouse and monitor. That's the typical setup we are used to for the last thirty years, more or less the lifespan of the PC era. Laptops are merely compressed versions of the same thing since they preserve the keyboard and a mouse-like abstraction for pointing and the screen is separate from the keyboard.

The iPad gets rid of the abstractions. You don't have a device between your fingers and the screen. The mouse is gone and you just naturally use your fingers. They physical keyboard is not needed nearly as much as you'd think, so you get a software keyboard only when needed. The OS is in the background, so you don't have to be confronted with OS ideas such as folders and files. You just use an app, and the app handles the data.

In short, the iPad drops almost everything we think of when we think of a PC. It's a new paradigm.

That's why Microsoft bolting on new UIs to old code bases won't work. It's too jarring, for Microsoft being Microsoft, the new UI will only appear some of the time, but at other times you'll be back in the old Word or Excel menus and the effect will be jarring as you try to use your fingers to manipulate items that were meant to be moused and clicked.

Numbers, in contrast, was rewritten from the ground up to be finger friendly, and it works in the new way. You never, ever, ever see the old way. It's all new. Not just a UI bolted on.

Your final comment about the use or lack thereof of tablets for you indicates your ignorance of what tablets can do that you cannot easily do with other devices. Remain in ignorance if you wish, but the world is going to pass you by. Nobody who experiences what touch UIs can do will ever be wholly satisfied with an abstracted mouse experience again. It just gets in your way.
 
*why, when you can accomplish the same things on a small, portable display?
*outdated, upload photos directly to cloud. (sans high-end photographers who need to edit/touchup photos, part of aformentioned minority)
*see bullet-point #1
*why? Store files in cloud (I understand that nerds need to archive their tbs of pron, they're in aforementioned minority)
*no need for a pc desk - frees up floor-space, uses less electricity
*game on a console, only geeks game on pcs.

The iMac is selling better than ever - you're going to start seeing a lot more iOS/tablet-esque features in iMacs, the two lines will slowly converge into one (iPad).

You're getting as bad as *LTD*. Nice trolling.
 
You are making the assumption that everyone who buys a smart phone will want to browse the web. The stats show that most people buying Androids are only interested in the touch screen and could care less about Flash, or surfing the web. The only Fandroids interested in flash and surfing are the ones who campout in here, telling us how important it is and how dumb Apple is for not having it. The truth is now out iOS Rules! Deal with it.
Awesome post!!! :cool:
 
I doubt other tablets will ever catch up. Apple has pioneered the tablet market and even now other companies are still releasing tablets.

This is similar to PC vs Mac

PC had a booming start and look now, 90% are PC users. the other 10% are "other" users.

As long as Apple continues to update ipad, like windows 95, 98 , ME, xp, vista , 7 from microsoft, we shouldn't be surprised over such a large part of the marketshare.
Very nice point.
 
You are making the assumption that everyone who buys a smart phone will want to browse the web. The stats show that most people buying Androids are only interested in the touch screen and could care less about Flash, or surfing the web. The only Fandroids interested in flash and surfing are the ones who campout in here, telling us how important it is and how dumb Apple is for not having it. The truth is now out iOS Rules! Deal with it.


You know what is the saddest part is you believe that crap.

I have yet to meet an android user who does not surf on there phone as much as an iPhone user. They fall in the range of normal. I also know iPhone users who never really surf the web.

Simple fact is is the metrics used to collect the data are questionable at best. If it is from Apple fan sites oh god yes they are going to be off balance.
You argument to defend apple is on the same level as if I mean the argument "iPhones are for drulling idiots who can not use any real techology." We both know that is not true.
I just find it funny when some one throws a wrench in the lets worship Apple you get all defenses and points out a huge questionable part of it you jump up and down crying about it. That to me tells me that you know I have a point since you turned into insults.
 
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