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The problem with laptops is that they are designed around a compromise. They try to be a desktop that can also be transported. But personal computers were thought as devices to be used sitting on a chair at a table. The whole laptop idea is a dirt hack.

Well put. Now that you mention it, it does seem like that doesn't it.
 
Seriously? you think that ipads and Macs can take over Windows,

Most people don't even used tablets and tablets are regarded as an overpriced, unnecessary item.

Windows market has been stabilized for quite a number of years now, if Macs can barely cut in to Windows monopoly, you expect tablets to dominate, your logic is seriously flawed.

Seriously, and I said nothing about Macs, merely tablets. By 2020, the majority of consumer computer purchases will be tablets. Not Macs. Not PCs. Tablets.
 
The iPads a great complimentary device but IMO its still got some way to go before it can realistically be an average users only computer. If your just talking about sales then 2020 sounds about right but how many would still have a laptop/computer as well? Plus the fact that i have had my iMac for nearly 4 years now. Will Apple support iPads for longer than they do iPhones? Or are consumers expected to buy a new one every 2 years?

When each new era arrives, the next group of users dwarfs the previous group. That happened when mainframes gave way to minis, and when minis gave way to PCs. The next era is always more approachable to a greater number of users who were intimidated by the previous era's tech.

So when I predict that by 2020 the majority (at least 51%) of the consumer (who knows what the business world will do by then, but I think many tablets will go there too) computer (not phone) purchase will be tablets. Not iPads, tablets. Not 2011 tablets, 2020 versions of tablets.

And many of those users in 2020 will be people who never did get a PC because they were intimidated by them, but they will love their touch tablets. The group of users expands.

As for how many of us will also have laptops and Macs/PCs in our homes, quite a few will. The Post-PC era does not mean PCs go away, any more than mainframes disappeared. Laptops will continue to be used where it makes sense to use them. But more tablets will be sold to consumers.
 
Well put. Now that you mention it, it does seem like that doesn't it.

I understand that for some people it is more than acceptable.

But the very idea of being stuck with a 15inch-17 inch screen, palm rest and track pad is terrifying. I've tried friends' MacBooks etc. it just won't cut it for me. And the whole hinged design... it's usable only on a desk!

The iPad, on the other hand, is just one surface. Like a book. Too bad it's somehow hard to type on.
 
I have noticed that electronic store flyers advertise Windows and Android tablets but do not have iPads in either the tablet or Apple sections of the flyer. Always thought this was odd. Maybe it is due to these iPad alternatives not moving off the shelf as fast as initially expected.

The release of iOS 5 along with OTA updates will mean that some users will be able to resort to using an iPad as their primary computing device. Users that will be able to do so are those that just use a computer to browse the web, check emails, and other basic tasks which represents a good chunk of users.

The iPad now being able to be used as a primary device and no longer leaning toward being just another gadget should make it more attractive to consumers and possibly allow it to bite into laptop sales. Given that iOS already has half the market share of OS X, I won't be surprised if iOS has a greater market share than OS X in the future despite not thinking this was possible when the iPad was first released.

The new iPads with their black or white bezels seemed to be the new MacBook.
 
I understand that for some people it is more than acceptable.

But the very idea of being stuck with a 15inch-17 inch screen, palm rest and track pad is terrifying. I've tried friends' MacBooks etc. it just won't cut it for me. And the whole hinged design... it's usable only on a desk!

The iPad, on the other hand, is just one surface. Like a book. Too bad it's somehow hard to type on.

Some people have probably noticed me saying this a lot by now, but I always hated the laptop form factor. It's great for if I want to do work in the kitchen, but other than that I hate it. They're a pain to travel with, they're a pain to use on a train or airplane, they're a pain getting through terminals. You need a whole other bag a lot of times to carry them around, they are battery hogs. The list goes on.

The iPad was the answer to all this for me. It's in my backpack at all times, and in the grand scheme of things, doesn't weigh anything. It only needs to be charged every 3 or 4 days. I've even gotten myself used to typing on it, and it's really not that bad!
 

I Still don't own any tablet... why?

Simply because they are all crap at the moment and by far the worst one of the lot is exactly the iPad.

I said in this forums so many times that I would take iPad only if it is given to me free of charge just so I can flog it next day :)

It is by far the worst product Apple has ever produced - people are just stupid and easily manipulated to think they need it - that is all...

Now, this all doesn't mean that I won't buy some tablet device in near future but that device has to offer much more and be much better than what is currently available on the market...

Saying all that, things are getting there, slowly... Windows 8 based tablet seams like it will be by far the best choice in near future, failing that, Android 'Ice Cream Sandwich' and beyond sounds good enough... We will see - there is no need to rush with toys :)
 
Some people have probably noticed me saying this a lot by now, but I always hated the laptop form factor. It's great for if I want to do work in the kitchen, but other than that I hate it. They're a pain to travel with, they're a pain to use on a train or airplane, they're a pain getting through terminals. You need a whole other bag a lot of times to carry them around, they are battery hogs. The list goes on.

The iPad was the answer to all this for me. It's in my backpack at all times, and in the grand scheme of things, doesn't weigh anything. It only needs to be charged every 3 or 4 days. I've even gotten myself used to typing on it, and it's really not that bad!

The Airs make wonderful travel companions, much better than MBPs ;)
 
I'm a big fan of Apple products and I had planned on purchasing an iPad tomorrow but I'm now hesitant. Amazon has the best chance of making a tablet because it could incorporate the most important advantages the iPad has: an eco system. They already have all the pieces in place and with their Prime option, they have a bunch of 'free' tv and movies available. If they can get the software/OS pieces in place and make it a seamless experience for the consumer, I think it will be an epic battle between the two companies.

Android does not have this comprehensive system built in and ready to go for the consumer. I really don't think Android is going to make a lot of inroads till Google can provide an "all-in'one" ecosystem that is dead simple to use. They have all the components but it's a mess to use.
 
I Still don't own any tablet... why?

Simply because they are all crap at the moment and by far the worst one of the lot is exactly the iPad.

Which by all available facts is actually the *best* of the lot.

Trolling really isn't your thing, is it.
 
I'm a big fan of Apple products and I had planned on purchasing an iPad tomorrow but I'm now hesitant. Amazon has the best chance of making a tablet because it could incorporate the most important advantages the iPad has: an eco system. They already have all the pieces in place and with their Prime option, they have a bunch of 'free' tv and movies available. If they can get the software/OS pieces in place and make it a seamless experience for the consumer, I think it will be an epic battle between the two companies.
I was considering getting a Kindle to store documentation and the books are just so damn cheap for the Kindle versions. I would only use it for any materials that I would be unable to easily or quickly procure from the library or through OverDrive.

The chance of a tablet elicits some additional interest but I still feel extremely wary.
 
I Still don't own any tablet... why?

Because, according to your signature, you are boycotting iOS devices, and none of the iOS competitor devices works as well as you want. Fine, that's your loss.

But these things are tools, not toys. I do feel sorry for naysayers who only have slogans to spout. It used to be easier for you. 18 months ago you could spout that no one will buy an iPad. That lack of Flash would be a deal-breaker. That it was nothing more than a large iPod touch.

As the last 18 months went by and none of those predictions came true, and as iPads were eagerly bought by more people than anyone dreamed possible, all you have left is "it's a toy," which any iPad user laughs at as being hopelessly untrue.

BTW, Microsoft is making a critical mistake by making their tablets run Windows, but they will learn their mistake in time. But that you see this as a strength tells me where your thinking is: Strictly back in the old PC camp. I think you are going to hate this next decade.
 
BTW, Microsoft is making a critical mistake by making their tablets run Windows, but they will learn their mistake in time. But that you see this as a strength tells me where your thinking is: Strictly back in the old PC camp. I think you are going to hate this next decade.

You know this how? If the first Windows 8 tablet runs as smooth as the iPad with the same battery life AND no crashing what will you say then?
 
I was considering getting a Kindle to store documentation and the books are just so damn cheap for the Kindle versions. I would only use it for any materials that I would be unable to easily or quickly procure from the library or through OverDrive.

The chance of a tablet elicits some additional interest but I still feel extremely wary.

Well at least it's no longer a plague:

I am just going to continue avoiding this tablet plague. Not that the propaganda is bad enough.

Who knows, in another 1-2 hours you'll get to the point where you can't wait to get a tablet. ;)
 
The first step to competing effectively is putting out a refined, polished product. That hasn't really happened yet. Then you get to the OS issues, which need to be refined even further.

While the competition is experimenting all over the place, Apple releases complete product, ready to go.

It's not the "product" that is putting Apple ahead, it's the whole ball of wax that the product is part of. The bigger the ball of wax, the harder any other "stand-alone product" will have at competing.

As long as Apple's competitors hold to your logic, i.e. "a refined, polished product," the further behind they will slide. By now, Apple has built a highly refined, polished ecosystem in which the iOS and the Mac OS thrive. The iCloud, Lion, and upcoming iOS5 is designed to make that ecosystem even more compelling.

And speaking of compelling, let's not forget Apple's awesome marketing capability. Apple's new iPhones and iPads will hit the market along with iCloud and Lion, so I'd expect Apple to be ratcheting up the advertising about then. And if past ads are any indicator, Apple will be making a big point of how nice their products work for the user as part of the whole ecosystem experience.

Does any other manufacturer have advertising as compelling as Apple's? Does any other manufacturer have a story to tell? To date, Apple's competitors are still trying to sell on specification, not solutions. Well, except for the RIM Playbook who have no specs to tout. RIM self-proclaims the Playbook as "The Only Professional Tablet." Yet it can't hook directly to the internet or handle email, while having the battery life of about 4 hours.
 
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iPad is dominating. Good to see such a solid product do well to be honest.Hopefully those numbers will bolster HTML5 over flash too.

- Sent from my Xoom :D
 
Well at least it's no longer a plague:

Who knows, in another 1-2 hours you'll get to the point where you can't wait to get a tablet. ;)
I feel disgusted already. "Ecosystem" just brings a needless product incest feedback loop that I want to avoid at all costs.

I was already burned hard with OS X. Now it is just a countdown to destruction.
 
You know this how? If the first Windows 8 tablet runs as smooth as the iPad with the same battery life AND no crashing what will you say then?

I'd say Microsoft had finally made a product that didn't crash. Strange that you should make that as a condition in your post. ;)
 
When each new era arrives, the next group of users dwarfs the previous group. That happened when mainframes gave way to minis, and when minis gave way to PCs. The next era is always more approachable to a greater number of users who were intimidated by the previous era's tech.

So when I predict that by 2020 the majority (at least 51%) of the consumer (who knows what the business world will do by then, but I think many tablets will go there too) computer (not phone) purchase will be tablets. Not iPads, tablets. Not 2011 tablets, 2020 versions of tablets.

And many of those users in 2020 will be people who never did get a PC because they were intimidated by them, but they will love their touch tablets. The group of users expands.

As for how many of us will also have laptops and Macs/PCs in our homes, quite a few will. The Post-PC era does not mean PCs go away, any more than mainframes disappeared. Laptops will continue to be used where it makes sense to use them. But more tablets will be sold to consumers.

+1

Laptops and PCs will still be used for simple things that iPad is capable of. Many times I use desktop for browsing, e-mail, music, movies, etc because of its bigger screen and OS. Tablets will be a new market, it'll reduce the use of PCs and laptops for simple things but won't replace it. Tablet is a consumption device not a production device, so it won't be replacing anything when it comes to business or professional work.
 
Seriously? you think that ipads and Macs can take over Windows,

Most people don't even used tablets and tablets are regarded as an overpriced, unnecessary item.

Windows market has been stabilized for quite a number of years now, if Macs can barely cut in to Windows monopoly, you expect tablets to dominate, your logic is seriously flawed.

That's exactly what people said about PCs in the 80s.
 
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