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I don't know, but being able to access up to 25 thousand songs and pull down or stream any number of songs at will is a pretty good start. Not to mention all your purchased apps and videos. Also, since your content is always in the cloud and always available, you can delete songs, photos, videos, etc. on your phone to free up space. That's kind of like expandable storage, no?



Agree with you there... It's a work in progress.



Per my comment above, I've found that I can freely delete songs, apps, videos, etc. to make room for more stuff thanks to iCloud. As for the impact to UI, I found this quote from Duarte himself: "If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt everytime? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated."

Deleting media in order to download other media is not expandable storage, it is user managed storage. Have you tried to delete songs from an iOS device with iTunes Match on since iOS 6? You can't....I agree its a nice idea, but the implementation is still poor. I also have to slightly disagree about the experience with swapping cards. Let's be honest, how many of us really need 64 gigs or even 32 gigs of media with us all the time? Okay okay some people will say they want to choice, fine, but most people? Most people I bet carry music and video they never use.

So the idea of an SD card, PITA or not, is a good one; it is just Apple has chosen not to implent it. On your device you have your most used media; then if you are planning a long trip or even before your weekly commute you load up new media for that event, pop in your card and go. Not that hard. It is not like you will carry a pocket full of SD cards with you and it is not like you will be swapping a new card for every song or show. It is a nice option to have.

You can argue that Dropbox does this, sure, but you need connectivity. Same for iCloud, no connectivity, no music. So on a plane you are screwed...unless you think ahead of what you want and download...same as an SD card solution no?

And for video, forget it, iCloud doesn't support video. So while not perfect, I think having an SD card for an additional 64 or even 128 gigs of optional storage is a fantastic option to have and vastly superior to any cloud based storage solution.
 
This is one of those things that's there ONLY to appease the ignorant masses and anti-apple zealots. There's no way you're going to tell the difference between stereo/mono speakers on a tablet. Plug in your #^$% headphones if you want stereo sound.
 
Dumb apple

Really? Aren't they too close? Also, aren't you supposed to be using them while watching a movie or a video in landscape mode? :confused:
 
Reality check. What percentage of the time would you be watching movies on a device this small without headphones. This is a plane/train/cafe device, designed to be used in transit. Some of you in both camps are so obsessed with specs you're completely divorced from reality.
My wife and kid both use them that way all the time. Drives me nuts, actually.
My friend has a Nexus with a MicroSD slot. His phone may suck, but at least he can upgrade his memory whenever he wants to. I have a so-called "16GB" iPhone. Not only does it cost way more for iPhones with more storage, but you're stuck with whatever you buy. Then you're really screwed when you need more space for songs or whatever. I don't see what's so confusing UI-wise about allowing the user to supply his own memory card. It doesn't affect the UI at all.
And yet it does. Most of these devices seem to have a poor method for dealing with the SD cards. The Galaxy Tab 2 with ICS is like early WinXP, dig through Settings just to eject the damn thing to remove it safely. One of few Galaxy tabs to have an SD slot, btw.
 
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I'm surprised your post got upvoted. So much hate in one post... So...

If you want to generalize "fanatics" of *anything* are morons. They don't apply critical thought and their opinions are based around their "fandom". You seem like an Apple fan to me.

I also like how people flip flop on the whole resolution thing. When Apple introduced retina it was all about dpi, but now it's not? Double standards?
 
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Deleting media in order to download other media is not expandable storage, it is user managed storage. Have you tried to delete songs from an iOS device with iTunes Match on since iOS 6? You can't....I agree its a nice idea, but the implementation is still poor. I also have to slightly disagree about the experience with swapping cards. Let's be honest, how many of us really need 64 gigs or even 32 gigs of media with us all the time? Okay okay some people will say they want to choice, fine, but most people? Most people I bet carry music and video they never use.

So the idea of an SD card, PITA or not, is a good one; it is just Apple has chosen not to implent it. On your device you have your most used media; then if you are planning a long trip or even before your weekly commute you load up new media for that event, pop in your card and go. Not that hard. It is not like you will carry a pocket full of SD cards with you and it is not like you will be swapping a new card for every song or show. It is a nice option to have.

You can argue that Dropbox does this, sure, but you need connectivity. Same for iCloud, no connectivity, no music. So on a plane you are screwed...unless you think ahead of what you want and download...same as an SD card solution no?

And for video, forget it, iCloud doesn't support video. So while not perfect, I think having an SD card for an additional 64 or even 128 gigs of optional storage is a fantastic option to have and vastly superior to any cloud based storage solution.

Ok, clearly you want expandable storage and I can respect that. Let's just say that I'm looking forward to ditching that concept for a cloud/wireless solution that eliminates physical constraints on local storage altogether, and I'd rather have Apple focus on perfecting that solution rather than building a modern day version of the floppy.
 
This is one of those things that's there ONLY to appease the ignorant masses and anti-apple zealots. There's no way you're going to tell the difference between stereo/mono speakers on a tablet. Plug in your #^$% headphones if you want stereo sound.

If both of your speakers are right next to each other, sure. Which they're not on the Kindle Fire HD. Are you going to tell a big difference? No. Is the sound going to be louder and at least provide a little bit of separation? Yes.

Hell, have you even used a Kindle Fire HD?

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You really need a chill pill. You may hate 'ignorant iHaters' (of which I haven't seen in this thread yet, incidentally), but I'd say Apple fanboys are 10 times worse.

Based on what you say below, it seems like you're the person who knows NOTHING about technology. Of course you're going to say that technology for 'fandroids' are just 'marketing bullet points' when you lack the numbers.

PPI is what all you Apple fanboys were parading around with the Retina Display crap when the iPhone 4 and iPad 3 came out. Suddenly, when a new iPad comes out without a Retina Display, it doesn't matter any more?

Try something called consistency. It might mean your fancy new toy of choice isn't the best, but it'll give you a lot more credibility.

I guarantee HD video is going to look better on the iPad mini vs the Kindle HD. Contrast, color, the new lamination process, encoding (amazon video encoding SUCKS compared to iTunes), etc. There are so many other factors that make more of a difference than the resolution of the display. God I hate ignorant iHaters. Go back to school you wannabe nerds.

I love how you call Android fans 'wannabe nerds' when it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Let's break your post down.

Contrast/color: Both the iPad mini's and KF HD's display feature IPS technology. Plus, all of the KF HD reviews I've read praise the color richness and black levels of its display.

New lamination process: Lamination?

amazon.com said:
Reduced Screen Glare
Most tablet displays are made up of two pieces of glass - an LCD on the bottom and a touch sensor on the top, separated by an air gap. With an air gap, light reflects off of every surface as it passes through from the front, creating multiple distracting reflections that reduce display contrast. Kindle Fire HD solves this air gap problem by laminating the touch sensor and the LCD together into a single layer of glass, creating a display that's easy to view, even in overhead light.

However, I believe you're talking about the in-cell touch panel that initially debuted in the iPhone 5 (if you're going to try to tout something, you really ought to get the name right). I can't speak for the iPad mini, but based on the iPhone 5 reviews and my personal experience, there's no visible difference to the end user whatsoever, and it will be no different with the mini.

Anandtech iPhone 5 review said:
Subjectively thus far I haven’t detected any change in tracking quality or performance with the iPhone 5’s in-cell solution, which is great. To end users the difference seems to be totally transparent.

No worse but no better either. The main advantage is a thinner display, which isn't an concern for the consumer.

Encoding: Care to elaborate? I haven't seen any Amazon Video vs iTunes comparisons that stated iTunes had the upper hand in quality, only in content.
Not that this is going to matter when you sideload videos, which I suspect many people will do.

From what I can see, there is absolutely no reason to believe why the iPad mini's display will be better in any way (apart from size) than the Kindle's.

I appreciate your anger as it gives me something to laugh at (your type of post isn't something I've seen in a while), but it would be better if you got your facts right before calling other people morons.
 
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Serious question regarding the checklist, not baiting or trolling..

Cool to see about the stereo speakers, but what about a couple of the other items...

1) why can Amazon say they offer Movies and TV (with a PAID amazon prime subscription), yet they dismiss PAY movies and TV from the iTunes Store?

2) Is the iPad Mini (and iPad 2) really a low res display? I swore I watched 720p movies on my iPad 2. While they may have not been 720p exactly, I wouldn't have called it low res.

Is it just selective marketing on Amazons part?
They also leave out that you can use that same prime subscription and watch the same movies and tv on your iPad. I like that Amazon keeps the hardware and content businesses separate, but sometimes the results are pretty funny.

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However, I believe you're talking about the in-cell touch panel that initially debuted in the iPhone 5 (if you're going to try to tout something, you really ought to get the name right). I can't speak for the iPad mini, but based on the iPhone 5 reviews and my personal experience, there's no visible difference to the end user whatsoever, and it will be no different with the mini.



No worse but no better either. The main advantage is a thinner display, which isn't an concern for the consumer.

No visible difference? I assume your experience is seeing a guy using one 150 feet away. As to your last point, you make an assumption that consumers do not want thinner devices with longer battery lives. I doubt you have any evidence to back that up.
 
No visible difference? I assume your experience is seeing a guy using one 150 feet away. As to your last point, you make an assumption that consumers do not want thinner devices with longer battery lives. I doubt you have any evidence to back that up.

You know what they say about assuming.

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No visible (or tangible) difference is based off my experience from using an iPhone 4S for a year, and an iPhone 5 for roughly a month now. Is that not good enough for you?

Are you telling me that you notice a difference in touch sensitivity or display quality between the 4S and 5? That would be interesting as it would conflict with Anandtech's review (as well as a number of other reviews), all of which say there is no discernible improvement in the quality or sensitivity of the iPhone 5's display.

I am saying that a thinner display does not matter in this context because the weight and size of the display/product is not what we are discussing here. The quality of the display is what we are discussing here, and a thinner display does not contribute to that.
 
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What's the point of putting stereo speakers if they're placed right next to each other?
 
I don't know, but being able to access up to 25 thousand songs and pull down or stream any number of songs at will is a pretty good start. Not to mention all your purchased apps and videos. Also, since your content is always in the cloud and always available, you can delete songs, photos, videos, etc. on your phone to free up space. That's kind of like expandable storage, no?

Since when can iCloud do this??? All it does is syncs my stuff onto a server. If I delete something, next time iCloud syncs, it's gone. None of my stuff plays out of the Cloud.

I think you're thinking iTunes Match, which you have to pay for, by the way. That is the only Apple service I know of that plays songs across the Internet. And my 200MB data plan would argue that streaming stuff out of the cloud is a really stupid idea unless you happen to be on a decent wifi connection. Actually, it would probably be too slow over 3G anyway.

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Per my comment above, I've found that I can freely delete songs, apps, videos, etc. to make room for more stuff thanks to iCloud. As for the impact to UI, I found this quote from Duarte himself: "If you’re saving photos, videos or music, where does it go? Is it on your phone? Or on your card? Should there be a setting? Prompt everytime? What happens to the experience when you swap out the card? It’s just too complicated."

It always goes on the card. Swapping out the card is complicated, but when are you ever going to do that? That one time when you need to upgrade your storage? Just copy everything over. At least you CAN swap it out. And at least this would open up the ability to have the OS and user data on separate mediums so that you can easily wipe the OS without wiping the data.

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Calm down, let the Android users use their Android phones, and quit complaining about what phones other people use.

Yeah a lot of them are probably wannabe nerds (my friend as an example), but you are acting like one too. Pretty much everything you've said has been false.
 
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"Kindle FreeTime" :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Yeah, watch what happens if Apple adds Kindle FreeTime to iOS... lawsuits.

It's like my terrible plan to do students everywhere a favor and destroy Texas Instruments: buy the company, then release the TIPod touch and get sued to death. Yeah, maybe buying the company then improving the products instead of sucking up students' money for terrible/outdated devices would be better. Those worthless b******s cost me my data in an AP chemistry lab among other things.
 
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I was disappointed that there was no retina display. I could see where they wanted to keep the price down and also keep the retina display for the next Mini, but I believe the lack of retina display alone is helping boost Kindle Fire sales even more.

Oh I agree, don't get me wrong! I know Apple's argument is that they didn't want to fragment their ecosystem Android style, but I'm sure there's a way to do it and that they WILL do it, probably in the next iteration. My guess: the "new iPad" quadrupled the pixel count from the iPad 2. Why not double the iPad 2's count for the Mini? Surely that would count as Retina and still scale appropriately.

I get that manufacturing costs are high for this product, especially with it being the first generation model, and I don't think Cook was lying when he said that their profit margin isn't as big on the Mini as it is on other products. That said, it still comes off as a smaller, slightly-improved iPad 2, and I wish they'd found a better solution. One of my biggest problems with Apple products is that they eventually make a great version, but the first edition model is generally kind of meh. No camera on the iPad? No 3G in the iPhone? $1800 for a MacBook Air? When they get it right though, they make the best products in the world in my opinion. Which is why I'm here.
 
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I think someone is suffering nerd rage ! Ignorance eh.....

Well reality check mate, fandroid user v apple fanboi, the android user knows more about tech, it's why they bought an os that is more customisable and makes the geek in them chuckle. Us apple users choose apple products because of the user experience, it's moronic to argue with the android and PC crew about us having the better tech.... On paper they always come out ahead, maybe not at a launch of an apple product, but soon after .

I must state that is my experience. The android users I know are more technical. Everyone else's experience will vary of course. My mates switched cause they were nerdy and iOS got boring for them.
 
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1) why can Amazon say they offer Movies and TV (with a PAID amazon prime subscription), yet they dismiss PAY movies and TV from the iTunes Store?
Because Amazon Prime is unlimited streaming from purchased titles in your collection plus the subset of Prime content in their full collection . Amazon-purchased content isn't stored on your own devices. Only streamed per-view.

The iTunes model doesn't have a "watch as much as you want" subscription model. You have to pay per movie or at best per season of a series, and you have to download the content to watch it. So you wouldn't be able to watch something iif your iPad was already full.

Funny enough, the iPad would be the best value for the two services because you can watch your iTunes moveis, and there is an Amazon Prime app so you could also watch all your Amazon videos, too. No such Kindle app exists for iTunes content. The only way to watch Apple video purchases is from an Apple device.

2) Is the iPad Mini (and iPad 2) really a low res display? I swore I watched 720p movies on my iPad 2. While they may have not been 720p exactly, I wouldn't have called it low res.
I wouldn't consider it low-rez -- because of the dpi. Everyone, even here, keeps bellyaching about how the iPad mini isn't a "Retina" display and how blurry it is. Obviously a bunch of people taken in my marketing. :rolleyes: Consider that the vast VAST majority of PC displays are nowhere close to "Retina" sharpness, yet we've been getting along just fine reading text on them, even going back 15 years or so before "font smooting" was in use on desktop PC OS's.

The iPad mini, while it has standard 17" PC monitor resolution, is cramming that into a 8.9" diagonal screen. That's going to give you a picture much sharper than the majority of computer monitors people have been looking at in their life.
 
When you watch 720p movies on those ipads, the video is chopped off.

Nope - "only" downsized (from 1280 to 1024 horizontally and 720 -> 600 veritcally), reducing the playback quality.

It's only some (very few) third-party players (the built-in Videos app can't do this) can render these videos without downsizing and chopping off the left/rightmost (1280-1024)/2 = 128 pixels.

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Advertising? It sounds better to say it is stereo instead of mono.

Agreed. If this thing is indeed stereo (meaning playing back the two channels separately on two different speakers), it won't be of much use compared to tablets or phones having speakers on opposite sides.

The latter can easily produce extremely good stereo separation with stereo widening. Just listen to the six-year-old Nokia N95 with stereo widening enabled - it's just fantastic.

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I wouldn't consider it low-rez -- because of the dpi. Everyone, even here, keeps bellyaching about how the iPad mini isn't a "Retina" display and how blurry it is. Obviously a bunch of people taken in my marketing. Consider that the vast VAST majority of PC displays are nowhere close to "Retina" sharpness, yet we've been getting along just fine reading text on them, even going back 15 years or so before "font smooting" was in use on desktop PC OS's.

Yup. That was the past. Today we expect hi-res (Full HD+) screens from all manufacturers, let them be Apple, Samsung or Microsoft.

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This is one of those things that's there ONLY to appease the ignorant masses and anti-apple zealots. There's no way you're going to tell the difference between stereo/mono speakers on a tablet. Plug in your #^$% headphones if you want stereo sound.

You haven't ever handled any mobile device with stereo speakers, have you? For example, the Nokia N95? Otherwise, you wouldn't be writing such BS - when properly done (as Nokia used to do it), stereo speakers are GREAT.
 
What's the point of putting stereo speakers if they're placed right next to each other?

Hopefully louder output and two channels, so at least you'll hear all the music rather than having portions of the track missing with one speaker.
 
No, but the iPad 4S will (S =Stereo)

It'll be audio MAGIC (start selling those 4's in time for the 4S model in December cause you have to have it)

Yes, iPad has stereo speakers. 5th iPad may change their location, but they are already stereo anyway.
 
How can anyone tell if it's stereo if both speakers are right next to each other?

Seriously, that's about the worst "stereo" speaker layout I've ever seen. So if you're watching a movie (in landscape, obviously) it's "stereo" but all the sounds are still going to come from the right side of the screen, since that's where both speakers are?

I'm still skeptical.

Which is why stereo speakers on such a device are pointless, the speakers are always too close together and if its orientated wrong then the speakers are pointing top/bottom rather than left/right. The only way to do it right would be to have 4 speakers, one along each edge and switch output to them according to orientation. Even then the stereo effect is going to be crap because the speakers are still too close together.
 
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