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Nothing happened to it. It's still a rumor. An increasingly unreliable rumor.

You should find out who started that rumor, and put an X by their name (in pencil, since Apple hasn't officially announced that there even will be an iPad Mini). After the announcement, if that rumor is as untrue as the latest rumors are indicating, take an indelible marker and make it the mark permanent.

Then again, if the $249 price turns out to be true, erase the X and replace it with a big green check. Then put the dreaded permanent X by whoever started the $329 rumor.

After Apple's announcement, you'll know several things:
  • Whether there will be an iPad Mini.
  • What the price will be.
  • Who to trust for rumors and who not to trust in the future
Make this a teachable moment.

Teachable moment? You say it as if this is making or breaking my day and I'm a 16 year old. Thanks pops (and I'm probably older than you are :eek: )
 
That's not the point. What you claimed is Apple could sell sell a tablet at cost and still make billions in profit from app/content sales. Where are the facts to back up that claim? Where are these billions in profit they're making off of content sales?

As far as this alleged "Apple tax" if you think the only reason Apple is so profitable is because they supposedly over charge you then you really are clueless. If people didn't think they were getting value for their money spent they'd spend it elsewhere. It's just like people who claim Apple's success is all down to marketing. Again, eventually people would catch on and the best marketing in the world couldn't continue to sell bad product.

Then you SHOULD HAVE HIGHLIGHTED the point you wanted clarifying, not clairvoyant you know!
And as for Apple's tax, well yeah, do you want to compare sales numbers with Samsung? And then compare profits per device? Apple is a premium priced company and alway's has been which translates into you paying a big mark up on it's devices because of the name.
And Apple's succes IS marketing, if you don't believe that then YOU are the clueless one. It has this stupid 'Cult' built around it's brand which it helped to nurture into existence, I mean look at the way people behaved when Steve Jobs died! Florals outside a frigging Apple store! For a multi billionaire they NEVER knew or met.
THAT'S marketing.

And as for the sales:

And looks like 2.1 billion US from Music and app sales for the last quater:

Other Music Related Products and Services (4) 2,151

http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q3fy12datasum.pdf

So that's 2.1 billion revenue for 3 months of music and app sales.

I haven't tried the Transformer Infinity, but it isn't really applicable when talking about the iPad mini. Two different screen ranges and two different price ranges. Same with the Samsung Galaxy 10.1. Though I have tried that and it is alright as a tablet, but not to my taste.

I have also tried the iPhone 5 next to the Galaxy S3 and I now have an iPhone 5. I thought they were about the same, with the iPhone's smaller size, more robust / non-plastic feeling, and my existing app ecosystem from my iPhone 4 suiting my needs better. If you want a larger screen than the iPhone 5 the S3 is your only real worthwhile option in the UK.

The iPad mini screen may just fall short of the Nexus 7 screen. Which is what you're getting at. I reckon, not that I know, that the difference between the 32GB Nexus 7 and the 16GB iPad mini will be around £80. Worth it for a well built piece of design that suits my needs and can be part of my existing ecosystem. That's just my opinion.

The Transformer you did try isn't applicable. And I'm glad you saw an S3, I'm not talking about it's build, just it's screen, because it's damn good! And IMO the 4S is worst and the 5 on a par. That was my point, so don't expect Apple to make a superior iPad screen, they are good, but not necessarily always better.
And no, I expect the iPad Mini screen to be better colours and contrast then the Nexus 7, if it is a retina screen then it should be better period as they are going to charge you for it. The Nexus 7 is great value for money, an iPad Mini should be WORTH the money if you see what I mean?

People talking about the $199 and $249 price points on the Nexus 7 are forgetting that GOOG adds $14 shipping to Nexus 7 orders ... AAPL ships all their iDevices for free.

Funny how I can buy a Nexus 7 when I go to do the weekly shop in the same supermarket, so shipping is free! Same as the iPad. But Apple MORE then charge you for the shipping in the cost of device, for instance they don't include free shipping for any of it's cables or adapters...

It is a myth.

Boots was selling iTunes gift cards last month with 20% rebate - £25 cards for £20. So when I bought a £25 gift card for £20, Apple most definitely doesn't get £25, they don't even get £20 - Boots isn't going to sell these cards at a loss. However, if I buy apps with a price tag of £25, the developers gets £17.50. So Apple doesn't keep £7.50, they keep less than £2.50. And for that they have to run the store, handle payments, and so on and so on.

So why do they post on their site for developers that said developers take 70% of the sales then?
You can come up with any fancy calculations you want but the facts are the facts. Apple takes 30% of sales. I would be more then sure Apple could happily run the app store if it took 2% or less from every app sale.

https://developer.apple.com/programs/ios/distribute.html

And see that app store on your iOD device, see the top eight highest grossing apps in the ENTIRE store are all FREE apps, so that must mean they have made all their money from in app purchases again of which Apple takes 30%, and I wonder how much that is? I'll see if I can find out....

https://developer.apple.com/appstore/in-app-purchase/index.html

And looks like 2.1 billion US from Music and app sales for the last quater:

Other Music Related Products and Services (4) 2,151

http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q3fy12datasum.pdf

So that's 2.1 billion revenue for 3 months of music and app sales. Can't find them separately.
 
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Nowhere. iPad mini with the same 16/32/64 and WiFi/3G configurations as the iPad 3, and starting at $329, that makes sense. Selling a reduced version (8 GB) at $229 would make some sense if Apple _really_ wants to hurt the competition, that was rumored somewhere. $329 for 8GB doesn't make sense. 8 GB _does_ limit the user. I've downloaded one book that was 1.5 GB alone.




Schools don't pay retail prices.



Depends on the product. Depends on the deal Apple works. My school gets "education prices" for Macs. It is down somewhat but that doesn't erase this altogether. Not by a long shot
I'm on the tech purchasing committee. Trust me.
I'm certain they'll still sell them by the million, but education was hopeful we would get something for near universal adoption.
This isn't it.
 
Remember the original iPhone - Apple was "forced" to reduce its price very soon after introduction because it was prices too high. If 329 is the starting price it will be another Apple mistake. $200 is an expensive but OK holiday present price. $330+ is beyond that.

I'm waiting until the announcement and real numbers and specs but at 329 it won't make much difference - that is more than I want to spend for this type of device.
 
To be retina the mini could have a resolution of 1448x1086. This would be about the same pixel density as the current ipad.

If this turns out to be the case, the $329 is justified. I would certainly snap one up in this scenario.

Remember, iOS has to scale its resolution by an integer number in order to preserve app compatibility. So it's going to be 2048x1536. Next year. Maybe.
 
I see no valid reason to "downgrade" from an iPad 3 to an iPad Mini; unless, you want a smaller screen real estate than fine, but you probably made a bad move for a device that is purely speculation at this point. Not to mention the rumored specs are less impressive than the iPad 3.

I find it interesting that some people think this new iPad Mini is suppose to replace the iPad 3, in one way or another. Come Tuesday, I don't expect to see LTE or retina, basically, a revised iPad 2.
Exactly why I 'downgraded'. Much prefer the ~8" screen over the ~10" screen. Plus, with what I got out of the iPad 3 I didn't make a bad move at all. ;)
 
Did I think Apple would introduce a Mini at the same price as a Nexus or Fire? No. Did I think that they may be aggressive enough with pricing to tempt Nexus-buyers o the iPad. Yes.

If they'd priced it 20% lower they could have killed off much of the competition. Just another expensive Apple iToy. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
Many comparing the price of an iPad Mini to 7" tablets are forgetting that the 7.85" screen with a 4:3 aspect ratio is a much larger screen, something like 40% more screen area, than the 7", 16:9 screens on the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire.

Add to that the hugely improved apps, music and movies ecosystem and you can see that a 50% price premium is more than reasonable.

That 40% more screen area gives you more blocky pixels and lower screen resolution. Translation: no retina screen
 
And if we keep making up numbers, why not sell it for $2 and assume $100k in sales at the App store, not to mention spin-off sales of iPods, Macs,

The only way that really works is if Apple shuts out things like the Kindle app so ALL sales go through them, ensuring their 30% cut, they can get all books etc on their store so folks won't have to buy DVDs etc to get something (which also means things like getting BluRay audio and video quality and extras) and they can ensure folks buy Macs and stop using PCs. But they can't do those restrictions cause that risks a serious churn up of antitrust charges. Hell that's the main reason why iTunes for Windows exists in the first place.
 
On the off chance and I mean off chance that the mini doesn't sell out. I even think it would at 4 gigs and $329, but still...

If it was just sitting on shelves does Apple know how to do a price drop? Was that in the instructions that Steve left for Tim??? I don't think they know how because they use that tried and true static pricing that everyone uses of course.
 
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Apple does NOT understand how to price a product that nobody needs.

They do it better. They build it and price it how they want and then make folks think they need it

99.9% of schools weren't even thinking about using iPads until Apple created the need with their textbooks last January. Now we are getting story after story of schools jumping on the bandwagon. They would have been fine with their paper books but suddenly they 'need' these new texts. All thanks to Apple filling a need they didn't know they had.
 
Wow that's a bummer, I'm trying to decide whether to spend 119 for a kindle paperwhite or 329 for an iPad mini :(

The iPad mini is more versatile but the kindle is much cheaper and the primary usage will be reading.
No, the ONLY usage will be reading with the paperwhite.
 
I don't know but Google doesn't sell the 16Gb models at cost, they make a healthy profit if I see the numbers iFixit came up with.

Seeing how they changed my order to a 32Gb model for the same price as my ordered 16Gb model - I have an iPad 3 but I want something smaller and inexpensive for outside - I don't think they have trouble making profit on these things.

Flash is also ridiculous cheap these days and the price differences in media or tablets is just super inflated.

I don't know if the iPad mini could fly with those rumored numbers. Consumer confidence is dropping a lot lastly even in this country where the iPad has always dominated sales.

Just to be clear, consumer confidence is at its highest level in five years.

However, I think this price is simply too high, and I'm an apple fanboy.
 
Typical Apple :)

they will still make huge profit :p
i might buy three as gifts actually...wish it was lower...:(

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LOL. No joke, I just read the article title, said out loud, "what are they high?," then came on here to reply to your first post.

Wow, they *are* high. Was going to get in on the mini, after having the original iPad, and finding it a bit too large for me. Wanted to get in on the mini, not now I won't.

:) i still might...a few :eek:
 
One of the things I love about Apple is how they like to keep things simple - or at least how they used to. Jeez how many iPad, iPad Mini and iPod models are there going to be? Add all the options in all the colours and you get a dizzying array of options. It must be a logistical nightmare to keep all that stock in every shop.

Why don't they simplify things. One 3G/4G model and one WiFi model. Each comes with 16GB memory as standard. Then there is a memory card slot unique to Apple so that you can add additional memory up to 128GB.
 
So the 30% cut Apple takes from every app sale and in app purchase is a myth then is it?
Apple could VERY confidently sell you an iPad for cost and STILL make multi billions of profit from it's apps.
Nope, no myth. These 30% are only deducted for pay apps, not free apps. And you get a lot for it. You get the server, the payment strukture, the advertisement and most of all, a place where your app can be found.
If you like to do all that by yourself, you pay way, WAY more then 30% (btw Google asks the same)
If you look at the quartaly results, you see that there are no billions made with the app store, far from it. Apple gets a positive zero. Who do you think builds, runs and maintains the server farms? And all that for 30%? Its a bargain, a merchant account costs you more.
 
That 40% more screen area gives you more blocky pixels and lower screen resolution. Translation: no retina screen

How so? The iPhone 4, 4S & iPod Touch 4th Gen all have retina displays @ 326 ppi. Why would they take panels from the the defunct 3GS for the iPad mini?

They can just cut panels from the iPod touch 4 gen to the 7-8" size, get sizeable yields on a component they've been shipping for 2 years.

Why would the iPad mini be the only iOS device without a retina display? (the iPad 2 is going away)

Just because John Gruber said so doesn't always make it so. (just most of the time)
 
Hmmm... Where are you shopping?

GOOG only makes an 8 GB and 16 GB Nexus 7. There's no 32 GB Nexus 7.

... And don't forget to add $14 shipping from GOOG.

I got mine at Office Depot for $199 while driving through Oregon. $25 Google account credit, and zero cost 15 day return if I wanted it. Hard to say no to that!
 
Nope, no myth. These 30% are only deducted for pay apps, not free apps. And you get a lot for it. You get the server, the payment strukture, the advertisement and most of all, a place where your app can be found.
If you like to do all that by yourself, you pay way, WAY more then 30% (btw Google asks the same)
If you look at the quartaly results, you see that there are no billions made with the app store, far from it. Apple gets a positive zero. Who do you think builds, runs and maintains the server farms? And all that for 30%? Its a bargain, a merchant account costs you more.

So it costs Apple over 2 billion US for 3 months to run it's iTunes store does it (See my post above)? And it does take 30% of all in app purchases which as far as I know includes all free app in app purchases.
 
I got mine at Office Depot for $199 while driving through Oregon. $25 Google account credit, and zero cost 15 day return if I wanted it. Hard to say no to that!

How does one get a Google account credit shopping retail?
 
Yes, for their kids. The highest selling, in units, is the iPod, which is a toy. Plus, I don't see the majority of adults going out and buying an iPad Mini for themselves, but rather as gifts for kids. Remember, this product is supposed to be aimed at the educational market. Do me a favor, go into your local Apple Store and look at the age demographic of the people drooling over the iDevices. It's like a high school in there.

The highest selling unit is the iPhone, followed by the iPad and then the iPod.
 
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