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Kwag's,

Whilst I adore many of Apple's products, this does not mean one cannot be critical of the company or its business practices - I hate the fact 14 year old children have been caught assembling its products - my LCII by the way was manufactured in Ireland and my first iMac manufactured in Singapore - as such, I wish Apple would assemble its goods outside of China and the Far East - give jobs to American's rather than dividends to the 1%.

I did not know they had caught 14 year olds making Apple products. I understood the Yantai factory that was caught using underage labour was one that didn't manufacture for Apple.
 
If you are an Apple marketeer, your competition isn't the iPad 2, it's Google, Amazon and Barnes & Noble.

Not really. That thought is why Google etc get it all wrong. They focus their time on trying to lure over the folks that are already buying Apple, etc. Not the real target which is the one that Apple goes for -- the folks that aren't buying at all. They don't see the reason why they need this, they don't like the size or the price. So they don't buy anything.

The catch is that there are many folks that would buy, if only . . . With that group, it doesn't have to be cheaper than the other side, just cheaper than the current offerings within the company. Or smaller size, etc. So they get something that's a bit cheaper than the ipad, smaller than the iPad and so on and they can be lured in. Because it fits their 'need' and it has that luxury feeling. Everyone love to have something fancy, it makes us feel good. So you find the person that doesn't really have a major need for a Nexus etc but likes the luxury feeling of having an iPad but . . . . and you destroy the hesitation. And a non buyer becomes an iPad buyer.
 
let me share my thoughts about whether or not the ipad mini goes retina.

if 7,85" makes the UI exactly the same size as that on the iphone/ipod touch, then that means the pixels (if not retina) are exactly the same size of the pixels from the older gen iphone/ipod touch (not retina).

when going retina i betthey are going to use their x4 trick for easier UI modification and think about the size if devs have to revise their apps again. the current average size of an app is already increasing because of the number of different resolutions. adding another one makes this only worse. and also displaying older apps not build for the new display could get problematic (COULD).

so if its going to be retina then the pixel size would be exactly the same as the pixels on the retina iphone/ipod touch. making the screen resolution unnecessarily high because you reading distance is way further away than that for the iphone/ipod touch. only slurping battery while not useful as you dont see the difference between 360dpi (dont know the one from iphone/ipod) and 350dpi with that viewing distance.

thats why i think the ipad mini wont get retina. (and of course i can be wrong)
 
The highest selling unit is the iPhone, followed by the iPad and then the iPod.

I don't know where you get your numbers.

iPhone:

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/07/apple-sold-250-million-iphones-to-date/

iPod (note the date):

http://m.techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/apple-has-sold-300-million-ipods-in-ten-years-45-million-just-last-year/

iPad (again, note the date):

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-03-03/apple-ipad-sales/53344970/1

As far as we know the numbers right now, Apple has sold more iPods than iPhones. This will likely change this year too. iPads are a far distant 3rd. Remember, total iPods sold does not equal total iOS-running iPods sold.
 
What makes you think Apple is producing this product to reduce the market share of Android tablets?

Because in a way they are. The other major reason being the whole 'showing folks how to do it right' ego trip

but understand that there are two ways to reduce market share. One is getting buyers to change teams. Samsung is a prime example with their anti iphone ads.

The other is to turn non buyers into buyers. Increase the base and the percents change. It's perhaps not as high a change (a 50/50 split of 100 million users is only increased to a 50.5/49.5 split when you snag 1 million non users) but it takes a lot less effort and has a lot less negative PR risk.

Sometimes you can snag those non users just by changing your marketing tactics. Or by adding something that doesn't change the specs or require a lot of work on your part. A prime example is Apple's Education event last January. Changing up iBooks and creating iBooks Author probably wasn't that huge of a work load. The real work would be making the books and the publishers etc are doing that while Apple gets a 30% cut of the proceeds of their work. And yet, without a single change in the hardware, Apple created a market of non users into users. The here and there schools trying out iPads has become a stream of schools adopting them in massive numbers. Whole grade levels are being switched, schools are talking about dropping 90%+ of paper materials in the next 3 years and so on. Apple approves a handful of POS apps and suddenly Farmer's Market, Swap Meet types are getting rid of paper notebooks and hand written receipts, restaurants are adding iPads etc in noticeable numbers. Apple didn't do any of the work to make those apps, make the credit card readers etc. But they are getting non users out of it
 
I'm calling fake... Apple doesn't price things in the 29 dollar range.. Go look at all their products that are over a hundred dollars... They either end with 99.99 or 49.99... This product will be no different

they had a $129 ipod Nano for a while. and at one point the low end ipod Touch was $229

also they never .99 anything
 
I agree with that poster. Plus at some point you have to draw the line. It's not just the $30.....but the extra $100 Apple wants over a $199 16 gig Nexus 7.

If they were the exact same product and the added $100 was just for the name you might have a point.

But they are not the same product so applying an "I can buy Tylenol for $5 or the same formula under a generic name for $1.50" doesn't really work

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Well, Apple missed it again.

The product hasn't been confirmed by Apple as real, the pricing and specs aren't released. And yet 'Apple missed it again'

???
 
So, I'm looking at around $350 for a base model with taxes. I guess I won't be selling my iPad 3 then.

I figured it'd be in the $300 price range. :( I was hoping $299 min though.

Why do you need an iPad when you have better one. ? Save money dude :apple:
 
Not really. That thought is why Google etc get it all wrong. They focus their time on trying to lure over the folks that are already buying Apple, etc. Not the real target which is the one that Apple goes for -- the folks that aren't buying at all. They don't see the reason why they need this, they don't like the size or the price. So they don't buy anything.

The catch is that there are many folks that would buy, if only . . . With that group, it doesn't have to be cheaper than the other side, just cheaper than the current offerings within the company. Or smaller size, etc. So they get something that's a bit cheaper than the ipad, smaller than the iPad and so on and they can be lured in. Because it fits their 'need' and it has that luxury feeling. Everyone love to have something fancy, it makes us feel good. So you find the person that doesn't really have a major need for a Nexus etc but likes the luxury feeling of having an iPad but . . . . and you destroy the hesitation. And a non buyer becomes an iPad buyer.

If that is true than why rise the price for the new ipod touch. Up until now the ipod touch was their "entry drug" to iOS devices.

The real trouble with Apple today is that they are too big, heck they could sell overpriced socks with the Apple Logo on it and people would still buy it. What I am saying is the truth, and yes I am just jealous that I am not in control of a major cult brand like Apple.
 
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Are you being sarcastic? The speed at which they sell has nothing to do with that poster's point about pricing based on their production limit.

Raise the price to the point where demand doesn't overcome supply. Problem solved.
 
Kwag's,

Please do yourself a favour and stop being such an Apple fanboys, given there are numerous Android rumour sites its a well known fact that at the months end Google will be selling a 32G Nexus 7 for the price of the present 16G model.

Further, the fervour/ utter devotion on these boards to anything manufactured by Foxconn - Apple just do the design and branding nowadays - is truely staggering.

As an old timer who has been with Apple products since 1992 - I began life with a LCII - one is most displeased at the direction Apple is moving in and the price gouging of those who purchase its products.

Further, if you wish real innovation, you have to have meaningful competition and Samsung, Asus and Google are handing this out by the bucket load.

Whilst I adore many of Apple's products, this does not mean one cannot be critical of the company or its business practices - I hate the fact 14 year old children have been caught assembling its products - my LCII by the way was manufactured in Ireland and my first iMac manufactured in Singapore - as such, I wish Apple would assemble its goods outside of China and the Far East - give jobs to American's rather than dividends to the 1%.

As for those who purchase Apple's products, I'm certainly not rich or part of the 1%, but it does seen that Apple's pricing strategy is aimed at that segment now, and for the high price to put it bluntly, some of its products are not up to scratch - may I mention the iPhone 5 as an example of this.

by all means engage in meaningful dialogue, but some of the crud now posted on these boards is ludicrous in the extreme.

You have just won macrumors. +1 to you.
 
Memory is getting cheaper by the year, why would they put 8gb in it, would be a waste of time all together!!!
 
Ehm, did you see how many devs are registered? If you multiply that by 100 you really think you could run that infrastructure for that little money? For how long? One month? One day?
You must be joking.

In 2009, Apple stated there were 125,000 registered developers [1]. That is $12.5 Million. You must be nuts if you think that is not enough to run a online store for the year.


[1] http://www.worldofapple.com/archive...downloads-top-2-billion-85000-apps-available/

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... heck they could sell overpriced socks with the Apple Logo on it and people would still buy it.

You mean like these $30 socks? http://www.engadget.com/2004/10/27/ipod-socks/
 
I don't get why people are getting so worked up over $30 or how much more it costs compared to competitors. If it's worth what they are charging then why the big fuss?

I buy Apple stuff because I genuinely feel that it's superior to competitors. The specs may not always win on paper but when you factor in actual usability and operating software it's hard to beat and I'm more then willing to pay more for that.

With that said, I'm hoping the mini has retina and 4g. I want a premium product with powerful internals. I haven't bought an Ipad because I think it's too big. I've always wanted a smaller Ipad from Apple and I hope it's not filled with old hardware and a bad screen. I want a shrunken down Ipad 3 and I hope that's what the rest of the buying market wants as well.
 
That is $12.5 Million. You must be nuts if you think that is not enough to run a online store for the year.

You really think that $12.5 million dollars is enough to run an online store the size of even just the Apps store. That might cover the electric bill for the servers, perhaps. But then you have maintenance staff, part costs for replacing failed bits, land taxes and other costs.
 
I did not know they had caught 14 year olds making Apple products. I understood the Yantai factory that was caught using underage labour was one that didn't manufacture for Apple.
And you would be correct. On top of this, even if it happened while components where made for Apple, it would have been without the knowledge of Apple.

The case where knowingly underage workers where employed (same CLW report) where in Samsung owned or operated factories. But without the name Apple in the headline, that did not interrest anybody.

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I don't know where you get your numbers.

iPhone:

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/07/apple-sold-250-million-iphones-to-date/

iPod (note the date):

http://m.techcrunch.com/2011/10/04/...ipods-in-ten-years-45-million-just-last-year/

iPad (again, note the date):

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2012-03-03/apple-ipad-sales/53344970/1

As far as we know the numbers right now, Apple has sold more iPods than iPhones. This will likely change this year too. iPads are a far distant 3rd. Remember, total iPods sold does not equal total iOS-running iPods sold.

Sorry, I was of course only counting iPod touch units. I do not think, a shuffle or even nano is in any competition to the iPad or iPad mini and that was the point.

In total numbers the iPod of course comes out on top, after all, its being sold for about 10 years.
 
I'm considering the cost of content as part of the total cost. You can spend roughly $200 on a Fire or NookHD and another $100 - $200 on content. $400 for a nice portable device full of content.

With Apple you spend $400+ just on the device and still have to fill it with content.

It should not be unreasonable to believe that a significant number of purchasers already own an iPhone, iPod Touch or an iPad (or even a Mac in the case of music and video) and therefore have a large library of content ready to fill it.
 
If this is for the 16GB model, it's a good deal. That would be $50 extra (over the 16GB Nexus 7) for a tablet with a screen that's 40% bigger and a better OS. Worth it.
 
With $330 8gb iPad Mini and $300 32gb iPod Touch, we're again forced to pick lesser evil. Neither one is fully satisfying and missing points... Then again, Google seemed to pull 32gb for the same price of my Nexus 7 in less than 3 months.

Sometimes, it feels like Apple and Google are on the race to lose confidence from me.
 
I could maybe accept $329 as a starting price if the low end was 16GB. For only 8GB is far too high.

The 8GB Nexus 7 is $199, this pricing would make the iPad mini 65% more than the Nexus 7. When will look at the 16GB models it is even worst for the iPad mini. To go from 8-16GB Apple charges $100, while for the Nexus 7 it is only $50 more. This makes the iPad mini 16GB model 72% more then the Nexus 7 16GB

I expect the iPad mini to be more than the Nexus 7, but not this much more.

Looking at those prices, could they being for 16/32/64GB not 8/16/32GB

If Apple intends to sell theses to school, they need to be far less expensive.
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