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Living in the past ain't going to make up for the fact that windows 7 has never "froze" on me. Once. In two years.

I hated Windows ME, etc, but MSFT has stepped their game up. Then again I use my computer for productive "work" while my apple iphone for "play" ;)
Are u trying to say iDevices have no place in business?

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i know but osofast doesnt get it.
i get it.
I just feel that Steve Jobs was not Apple. There is lots of other talent.
 
I think everyone forgot how Google and Asus* is not making any profits with the Nexus 7, or Amazon with their Kindle Fire*. By setting the price for the iPad mini at $329, they have themselves a healthy 30% profit margin, good news for investors, not so good news for consumers.
I figure it will start at 16 all the way to 64GB
 
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]i get it.
I just feel that Steve Jobs was not Apple. There is lots of other talent.

so if apple don't do something they're right and when they do do something they're right because different people in apple have different ideas?

win -win yay!

but does this not mean theyre wrong all the time too? haha
 
You gotta be sheeting me. Each and every thing that Apple does is to make money. If it won't make money for them, they don't do it.

You're completely misunderstanding what I wrote and what these entities are all about. Yes, they are about making money for Apple, but their whole reasons for being are to make their hardware more valuable, so they can continue charging prices that give them high margins.

Amazon, Google, and B&N produce devices so they can sell more content. Apple created the App Store/iTMS/etc. in order to sell more hardware at high prices. Completely the flipped to the other guys and their business models.
 
Just outta curiously, why when comparison comes up, you always compare to the Nexus ?

Arn't there any other competitors out there?
 
Even if your suppositions are correct - which they are not - the market has grown. Apple is still selling more iPads than any other manufacturer. Apple still has 64.4% of the market and increased their sales in Q2 from Q1 by 44.1% while others are trending down.

SOURCE

So even if we use your numbers a 40% loss of market share is nothing?

Apple is making a huge mistake here. Android is almost at the same level in terms of OS. All the useful apps are available on android. The price point is lower, and it really is the perfect storm for android to take over the market.

Then instead of being the leader in the market, apple will claim to be a niche market. Circa, apple's role pre-Jobs return.
 
Apple is making a huge mistake here. Android is almost at the same level in terms of OS. All the useful apps are available on android. The price point is lower, and it really is the perfect storm for android to take over the market.

Then instead of being the leader in the market, apple will claim to be a niche market. Circa, apple's role pre-Jobs return.
what mistake is that? Not selling a product at cost?

Same level in OS I think not. My proof your on a Apple forum.

A perfect storm just because the price is lower? Humm how long will that last?
 
So even if we use your numbers a 40% loss of market share is nothing?

Apple is making a huge mistake here. Android is almost at the same level in terms of OS. All the useful apps are available on android. The price point is lower, and it really is the perfect storm for android to take over the market.

Then instead of being the leader in the market, apple will claim to be a niche market. Circa, apple's role pre-Jobs return.

It is to expected of such low-barriers market to have increasing competition and market shares being divided amongst many competitors.
I probably don't know Apple inside knowledge and strategy, but whatever they're doing with the price is to preserve the profits, as well as the Apple brand, which is without a doubt the world most valuable brand name for quite some time now.
If Apple gets the iPad mini PR just right, it will be a big success. People are willing to pay more for the Apple on their gadgets, its proven. Sales of about 30% of the smartphone market (probably a little less, I'm not sure), but they hold over 60% of the profit, whatever you think they're doing wrong at capturing market share, they're getting it right with the profits, and hopefully this profits will go into new (hopefully) innovative products.
 
Just over my limit

Yep, too high. $299 was my limit, and with the hope that it would be for the 16 GB model. Guess it will be Samsung or Nexus for me.
 
what mistake is that? Not selling a product at cost?

Same level in OS I think not. My proof your on a Apple forum.

A perfect storm just because the price is lower? Humm how long will that last?

No such thing as a perfect storm..... I hate lightning.
 
Never have I read so much bit.ching and moaning since I've been on macrumors.
The thing about the iPad mini is that it's something YOU DON'T ACTUALLY NEED!!!!
If its too much for you then don't buy it. It's a very simple thing!!

"OMG I was gonna get 1 but now that it's 30 dollars more than I expected then I just can't get it!!

"Apple is doomed for charging 30 dollars more than what I wanted to pay"

If 30 dollars is making you rethink a purchase that you thought was gonna cost 300, then you probably shouldn't be spending 300 dollars on a gadget that you don't need BUT want!!

Anyway Apple hasn't even announced the price yet and I actually think 329 is a great starting price for a 8 inch iPad!!

exactly, $30 more is a turn off? Make dinner at home one extra night this month rather than go out and you are all set.
 
You're completely misunderstanding what I wrote and what these entities are all about. Yes, they are about making money for Apple, but their whole reasons for being are to make their hardware more valuable, so they can continue charging prices that give them high margins.

Amazon, Google, and B&N produce devices so they can sell more content. Apple created the App Store/iTMS/etc. in order to sell more hardware at high prices. Completely the flipped to the other guys and their business models.

Maybe there is a difference in tactics, but each has exactly the same goal - to take money out of your pocket and to put it into theirs.
 
I think everyone forgot how Amazon is not making any profits with the Nexus 7. By setting the price for the iPad mini at $329, they have themselves a healthy 30% profit margin, good news for investors, not so good news for consumers.
I figure it will start at 16 all the way to 64GB

Google /HTC does the Nexus 7. Amazon does the Fire, Neither tablet makes any profit, they are sold at cost or a loss and are effectively being "dumped" to gain marketshare. Apple is here to make money off hw that plays in their iTunesi/iCloud ecosytem. Google is here to make sure their their search/advertising monopoly continues, Amazon is here to ensure you are locked into buying books and other media from them as they try to monoplize the publishing business. Different ways to make $.

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You're completely misunderstanding what I wrote and what these entities are all about. Yes, they are about making money for Apple, but their whole reasons for being are to make their hardware more valuable, so they can continue charging prices that give them high margins.

Amazon, Google, and B&N produce devices so they can sell more content. Apple created the App Store/iTMS/etc. in order to sell more hardware at high prices. Completely the flipped to the other guys and their business models.

exactly.
 
I just feel that Steve Jobs was not Apple. There is lots of other talent.
In a sense he was apple - he set the tone, the direction pushed the developers and designers to produce products they didn't think they could.

As for the iPad mini - he only stated a smaller tablets are no good is because they didn't have one. Why praise a competitor's product or choice in size?
 
9to5Mac reports that pricing for the "iPad mini" is likely to begin at approximately $329 for the entry-level Wi-Fi model, with two higher-capacity models arriving at $429 and $529.

It sounds like they really don't know what the pricing is and the article was written to generate webpage hits. In any case, we will know in a day.

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Yep, too high. $299 was my limit, and with the hope that it would be for the 16 GB model. Guess it will be Samsung or Nexus for me.

Why don't you wait to find out if it's the real pricing before you panic :D.
 
As for the iPad mini - he only stated a smaller tablets are no good is because they didn't have one. Why praise a competitor's product or choice in size?
A correct me if I'm wrong at the time he stated that the blackberry play book was the only 7" tablet out at that time. It did a few things very well but overall it was a flop.

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Yep, too high. $299 was my limit, and with the hope that it would be for the 16 GB model. Guess it will be Samsung or Nexus for me.
And I'm suppose to believe you honestly planed to buy an iPad mini for $299? $30 more is just say too expensive. What gives u away as a troll is "Guess it will be Samsung or Nexus for me"
 
You're completely misunderstanding what I wrote and what these entities are all about. Yes, they are about making money for Apple, but their whole reasons for being are to make their hardware more valuable, so they can continue charging prices that give them high margins.

Amazon, Google, and B&N produce devices so they can sell more content. Apple created the App Store/iTMS/etc. in order to sell more hardware at high prices. Completely the flipped to the other guys and their business models.

Yup, I guess you're right. Why else would iTunes be available on windows, but to sell Macs!

Yes Apple sell hardware, but they are also a business. Businesses exist to make money in whatever way they see fit. Businesses that evolve survive, those that don't will die.

I'm probably way off here, but I'd have thought that a reason for coming up with a smaller ipad would be to bring new people in to the Apple ecosystem. People who can't afford an iPad, get tempted in to buying an ipad mini, invest time and money on apps/content etc... then, when they have more money in future, and are looking to upgrade to a bigger tablet, they stay with apple because of their app/content investment.

For this to work, the smaller iPad would have to be competitively priced against the likes on Nexus/Kindle, etc...

A short term hit, but in the longer run it means both more customers and profits for Apple.
 
What's the point of making an iPad mini in the first place if not to be a cheaper more accessible version of the original? This thing NEEDS to be cheap. $329 should be for the highest price version of the iPad mini. The base model in my opinion needs to be around the $250 mark.

Figure it out Apple!

I think the point of the mini is not to be a cheaper version of the regular iPad. I think the point is to be a smaller/easier to hold in your hand version. For this reason, I think we should probably expect the mini to be priced as stated $329, but with all the capabilities of the "new iPad". With that in mind, it's probably a fair price, but it's also probably still too high. With all the smaller tablets out there already priced in the $200-$300 range, people will feel that's simply too high and Apple may have missed an opportunity here.
 
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