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So the 30% cut Apple takes from every app sale and in app purchase is a myth then is it?
Apple could VERY confidently sell you an iPad for cost and STILL make multi billions of profit from it's apps.

Regardless how much money (revenue or profit) Apple may make from the App store or iTMS, it is a complete misunderstanding of Apple's business model when you say that Apple could sell an iPad for cost and still make money.

Apple's business model is about profiting off their hardware. Apple is a hardware company, they make their money off hardware sales. The way they make their hardware interesting and valuable to consumers different to other hardware manufacturers such as Dell or Gateway or HP or Asus is to create an infrastructure that runs on and makes their hardware "sing". Whereas companies like Dell and the likes, manufacture and sell hardware, they require other companies to produce and sell stuff that makes their hardware even function. Apple is not like those hardware companies, Apple produces and controls the infrastructure that enables their hardware to be the greatness that it is.

They didn't create the iTMS or the App Store to make money, they created these entities to create and add value to the hardware they produce. The fact these entities *may* make Apple some money is irrelevant - Apple is all about hardware, and these entities make their hardware more valuable and that's one reason they can sell their hardware for more than other manufacturers of hardware.
 
Latest I read was the 16GB will replace the 8GB pricing and the 32GB will replace the 16GB pricing.
But a Tegra 3 tablet with Android Jelly Bean and 32GB of storage is a bargain at $249.

I remember reading reports about them releasing a $99 Nexus 7. I don't think that they will get rid of the Nexus 7 8Gb like everyone is expecting them to. I think that this will be the new pricing for the Nexus 7.

Nexus 7 8GB $99
Nexus 7 16GB $199
Nexus 7 32GB $250

At these prices the Tegra 3 tablet with Android JellyBean will be a great alternative to the Ipad Mini if the price of the Ipad Mini base model starts at $329
 
Nexus 7 8GB $99

Digitimes **report** :
"Google, following the launch of Nexus 7 tablet models in June 2012, will unveil a Nexus tablet model for US$99 later in the fourth quarter of 2012, according to Taiwan-based supply chain makers.

The US$99 Nexus tablet is equipped with an ARM-architecture single-core processor 8950 developed by China-based WonderMedia Technologies, and a HUVA TN panel made by Taiwan-based HannStar Display, the sources said. The tablet will be produced by Taiwan-based Quanta Computer."
 
I'm not going to argue with you. I want you to look up the stats.
1) how much of the Tablet market belongs to apple at the iPads introduction?
2) how much of the tablet market place does apple have now?

Once you figure out the answer to these two question, ask yourself if apple was so great, and people had no problem paying extra for quality, then why isn't the market share the same as it was at the iPads introduction.

Even if your suppositions are correct - which they are not - the market has grown. Apple is still selling more iPads than any other manufacturer. Apple still has 64.4% of the market and increased their sales in Q2 from Q1 by 44.1% while others are trending down.

SOURCE
 
NEXUS 7


For the Win.

$199 and more capable than ANY iOS crap

Google has completely mismanaged Android. It's a mess. Anyone that has used Android and iOS for more than 5 mins each would never think Android is more capable than iOS or an equal or better user experience. It could have been, but it's not.
 
Dreaming

To be honest I think we'll see a resolution of 1600 x 1200. That's slightly lower density than the retina display on the iPad 3 but it will be high enough resolution to compete with the Nexus 7.

Both on resolution and on being Future CEO of Apple. :)
 
Digitimes **report** :
"Google, following the launch of Nexus 7 tablet models in June 2012, will unveil a Nexus tablet model for US$99 later in the fourth quarter of 2012, according to Taiwan-based supply chain makers.

The US$99 Nexus tablet is equipped with an ARM-architecture single-core processor 8950 developed by China-based WonderMedia Technologies, and a HUVA TN panel made by Taiwan-based HannStar Display, the sources said. The tablet will be produced by Taiwan-based Quanta Computer."

A single core CPU that will leave users with a bad Android experience on slow, crippled hardware, and let me point out, running malware infested OS.

You get what you pay for.

It will also be interesting to see how many customers Microsoft confuses and angers when they realize that $500 "Windows" tablet they just bought doesn't run any of their Windows software. Then they can watch Microsoft release the actual "Windows" tablet later this year running Intel cpu's and starting at $999.

How come these companies all make idiotic decisions?
 
The real value of the iPad Mini can't be determined because we haven't seen it.

The Nexus 7 has a pretty low value as far as I concerned. One bad camera, plastic build, less than impressive, and old, Tegra3 SOC...It's clearly intended to be disposable and cheap and you get what you pay for. That's not bad if it meets your expectations and needs.

However, Apple is never going to play the race to the bottom game. At the same time, $329 for 8GB with a low res screen might have a value problem.

But I haven't seen it, so who knows what Apple has up its sleeve.
 
A single core CPU that will leave users with a bad Android experience on slow, crippled hardware, and let me point out, running malware infested OS.

You get what you pay for.

It will also be interesting to see how many customers Microsoft confuses and angers when they realize that $500 "Windows" tablet they just bought doesn't run any of their Windows software. Then they can watch Microsoft release the actual "Windows" tablet later this year running Intel cpu's and starting at $999.

How come these companies all make idiotic decisions?

mobile&apps report

The WM8950 features a single-core Cortex A9 CPU, which is clocked at 800MHz and a Mali-400 graphics chip. The speed of the Mali-400 GPU isn't known yet, but it has the same architecture found in top-of-line android devices like the international version of Samsung Galaxy S3. Moreover, the WM8950 is capable of processing full-HD 1080p videos.

I understand why you may think that it will leave users with a bad experience. But that was because OEM's kept putting in bloatware to slow it down. This tablet is going to run vanilla android. So the android experience shouldn't be compromised by using a weaker processor since the hardware and os is optimized.
Who was it that said that it doesn't matter about the tech specs but the user experience?
 
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The guy is making a valid comparison.

10% of $300 is $30 and 10% of a $300,000 house is $30,000

No it's not, it's retarded. They are only even slightly valid if you raise the person's income by the same order of magnitude. Spending an extra $30 with a $30K salary is similar to someone with a $30M salary spending an extra $30K, but even that is an extremely questionable comparison in reality because the world isn't scaled according to income. It's like saying someone with a $30M salary wouldn't mind paying $600K for their phone because the guy with a $30K salary pays $600.
 
I doubt you're going to buy it anyway with that attitude. First, it's practically an 8" tablet with more usable screen real estate due to the 4:3 ratio. In other words, it will feel like a 9.7" iPad, but be smaller, lighter and better on battery life. If you are comparing it to a 7" tablet, then please go out and buy the Android tablet already. You don't see the value in an iPad aside from a list of specs.

Saying all of that, I believe the iPad mini will be better than other 7" devices (although Amazon really is the competition here IMHO), and I think Apple will go for the "kill" at $249 16GB, perhaps with a $199 8GB option for educational institutions. $329 for WiFi/LTE.. $349 for 32GB WiFi, etc.
That would be great, but I suspect you are being a little too optimistic considering that the reputed cost to manufacture the iPad Mini is around $200. But you are right, pricing a 16GB model at $249 would essentially be going for the Android tablet jugular. I'm just not convinced that embarking on a race to the bottom would be consistent with Apple's usual business practice.
 
The Nexus 7 has a pretty low value as far as I concerned. One bad camera, plastic build, less than impressive, and old, Tegra3 SOC...It's clearly intended to be disposable and cheap and you get what you pay for. That's not bad if it meets your expectations and needs.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the Nexus 7 front facing camera 1.3mp while the iPad 3 front facing camera is VGA?


Also, 40% larger screen, 23% less pixels. OUCH.
 
Whether it sells well at a higher than expected price or not depends more on perceived value than budget.

Honestly, anyone who has discretionary income to buy a iPad can easily afford the premium. Budget isn't a concern for these purchases because they are almost certainly discretionary.

What will determine if people buy it or not will be based on the value they see in it. I can afford an iPad, but I chose a Nexus 7. Why? Well, I found no reason to spend several hundred dollars more for something of no additional use of features that I want. The Nexus 7 had better Google integration, which is really important to me since I use so many of their services, and it was better for reading and smaller/lighter. I don't use an Apple products or play games, so I saw no reason to spend more.

If the iPad can't do anything significantly better or more useful than something like the Nexus 7, why would people spend more on it? If people don't need whatever extra features it has, why would people spend more on it? If all you need is an e-reader, why not just buy a Kindle? People do this all the time with all types of products. It's not usually the small price difference between two products, but rather if the higher price provides you with any additional useful features.

$30 is not going to make or break this product. $30 will make or break Apple's earnings because it might hurt sales of the bigger iPad which is more profitable.
 
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I'm not going to argue with you. I want you to look up the stats.
1) how much of the Tablet market belongs to apple at the iPads introduction?
2) how much of the tablet market place does apple have now?

Once you figure out the answer to these two question, ask yourself if apple was so great, and people had no problem paying extra for quality, then why isn't the market share the same as it was at the iPads introduction.
Clearly, the iPad's market share is less now because there actually is competition. When the iPad was introduced, there was nothing like it in its price range. Now, there are dozens of competitors.

In addition, Apple has stayed out of the 7" market until now. Due to advantages with respect to price and convenience, Android has filled this void without having to face any competition. That is about to change.
 
Woe is me, now I don't know what my kids should get for Christmas from gramps and gran. How (seriously, this is my question, which has probably already been asked) will iPod touch sell?
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the Nexus 7 front facing camera 1.3mp while the iPad 3 front facing camera is VGA?


Also, 40% larger screen, 23% less pixels. OUCH.
Pixel density is only part of the equation. The Nexus 7 screen has been criticized for very inaccurate grey scale (although the article goes on to say that the display is good for the price), poor registration of inputs, creaky bezels and backlight bleeding, washed out images and colors, loose displays and dead pixels, ghosting issues, ghost touches, and a complete absence of support from Google.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think the Nexus 7 is currently the best 7" tablet out there, and its display has also had many positive reviews, not to mention that many of these problems have also been seen on other devices, but you can't say which is the display based on screen resolution alone, any more than you can say that a 5' 10" person is stronger than a 5' 8" person.
 
Regardless how much money (revenue or profit) Apple may make from the App store or iTMS, it is a complete misunderstanding of Apple's business model when you say that Apple could sell an iPad for cost and still make money.

Apple's business model is about profiting off their hardware. Apple is a hardware company, they make their money off hardware sales. The way they make their hardware interesting and valuable to consumers different to other hardware manufacturers such as Dell or Gateway or HP or Asus is to create an infrastructure that runs on and makes their hardware "sing". Whereas companies like Dell and the likes, manufacture and sell hardware, they require other companies to produce and sell stuff that makes their hardware even function. Apple is not like those hardware companies, Apple produces and controls the infrastructure that enables their hardware to be the greatness that it is.

They didn't create the iTMS or the App Store to make money, they created these entities to create and add value to the hardware they produce. The fact these entities *may* make Apple some money is irrelevant - Apple is all about hardware, and these entities make their hardware more valuable and that's one reason they can sell their hardware for more than other manufacturers of hardware.
Amazing that this has to be spelled out. Also amazing that anyone thinks any company could make "multi billions" in profits off content or App Store sales. Amazon barely makes a profit. Google's profit is mostly in advertising and their stock just took a beating because of concerns about monetizing mobile. There is not much profit in selling books, music, movies, TV shows, movies and mobile apps (many of which are free to the customer).
 
Digitimes **report** :
"Google, following the launch of Nexus 7 tablet models in June 2012, will unveil a Nexus tablet model for US$99 later in the fourth quarter of 2012, according to Taiwan-based supply chain makers.

The US$99 Nexus tablet is equipped with an ARM-architecture single-core processor 8950 developed by China-based WonderMedia Technologies, and a HUVA TN panel made by Taiwan-based HannStar Display, the sources said. The tablet will be produced by Taiwan-based Quanta Computer."

Totally false rumour
 
If it's a rumor, how do we know? For $99, I'd buy one just out of curiosity.
And then you'd wish you'd bought one with a Tegra 3 dual core for only $100 more.

I don't see the point at this time of commoditizing tablets to the point that they are so underpowered that they are unusable.

Give it a year or two, and a $99 tablet could be perfectly usable. But for the time being, if you'll excuse the automotive metaphor, driving a sedan powered by a go-kart engine just isn't going to be an enjoyable experience.
 
I don't see the point at this time of commoditizing tablets to the point that they are so underpowered that they are unusable.

For a hundred bucks, I wouldn't care. I spend that in a week on food and beer - it's nothing.

Besides, I doubt it would unusable with those specs. Probably not optimal, but usable - sure.
 
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