Nope. The title of best post so far definitely goes to Frank.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18372350/
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Nope. The title of best post so far definitely goes to Frank.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18372350/
Nope. The title of best post so far definitely goes to Frank.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18372350/
hahah that too
Sadly, it's become quite cool to complain, contradict and be generally negative (scandals sell), it's not limited to this forum, it just seems this forum is attracting them like flies to ******, getting worse with each product release cycle, and making this forum less productive and informative and less fun overall.
It's like saying, well, my expensive BMW X5 cannot drive off road but it's ok, I only drive in the city anyway. Or it's perfectly ok I don't mind my iPhone's battery life being so pathetic but at least it's thin and made of metal. Or the best one yet: I really don't mind the 4" screen size because there's no reason to go larger. But when apple releases a larger one, it's automatically the law to have anything greater than 4" screen size on you're phone
it is exactly like saying that. because if you are taking your expensive BMW x5 off road then you're a goof. Just like if you're having to hold to screens up to each other before noticing any difference then you are just looking for problems.
As it were regarding your criticism of Apple fans, it seems to me there are no shortage of people complaining about the screen on this or any other apple forum. Some people value things differently.
The screen on my MBA isn't as good as the one on my wife's retina Pro... by a long shot. But I wanted an 11 laptop more than a high def one. and I also wanted my $400 more than i wanted retina.
When it comes to phones, i prefer Android to iOS - i also prefer the selection of phones available when it comes to iOS. My wife prefers an iPhone.
I would never choose a windows machine over an OSX machine as my primary computer unless something changed dramatically. So while I think the argument of the supremely overpriced Mac went out with the p2 chip, you could conceivably pay a good bit less for a windows computer with comparable specs to a Macintosh. However, then you are using Windows.
The point is, if people decide that the screen isn't up to par then they'll wait. Some people will just buy blindly, but those people are in the minority. Buying blindly because they have never been let down before also isn't exactly buying blindly as it only takes getting burned one time to make them stop and think the next time around. Happened to me with my HTC EVO 4G LTE. I like it, and it's better then the EVO 4G it replaced, but it's no where near as far ahead of the curve as the original EVO was, so next time i'll do WAY more research when it comes to a new phone rather than just throwing money at HTC.
So you call it "drinking the koolaid" and i think many of us call it experience. Most people have had positive overall experiences with Apple products and our purchasing decisions reflect that. Brand loyalty is for suckers, so as soon as somebody makes something better i'll make the change. And i'll make that change fully expecting Apple to bounce back and get back on top like they always do.
It's not - I have an iPhone 5S and just got the iPad mini retina. Coincidentally, I noticed this issue immediately when I ran Clash of Clans (the game in the photo presented). The colors are not as saturated / do not pop out as much as on iPhone 5S, and it makes me sad inside...
Okay.
In your picture it obviously looks washed out. The iPhone looks over saturated compared to what clash of clans looks like on my iPad Air. Again, it's only an observation and comparison, which are both based on an opinion
But to recap, in comparison to the iPhone and my iPad Air. It is definitely less saturated then both. End of story once you decide what to do about it next. It's all circumstantial in my opinion. Have a very nice day! Lol
As a photographer, both of the new iPad Air and iPad Mini Retina are usable as tools. Even the original mini was a great tool for photography. Since we still can't use iOS devices fully for editing yet, the lower gamut below sRGB still doesn't matter as much. Also, for lite edits, you would want to keep most photos from fulfilling full sRBG anyways. It's like how the new black isn't really a black but a dark grey. I think the people that are getting really picky about the screens just don't have anything better to do. The iPad is a prosumer product, not a fully professional product yet. In many ways, the iPad surpasses a lot of other professional products out there.
To be honest, I got the mini mainly so it could fit better on my cluttered desk. A full sized iPad would get in the way
I went to the Apple Store today and saw them both(Air & rMini) and immediately noticed how dull the rMini screen was. I thought the brightness was turned down. That helped me in deciding on an Air. The weight of the Air was what got me and made the rMini seem unnecessary especially since I have an iPhone 5 which is small enough
This has nothing to do with the screen quality or playing that down. It has to do with someone claiming they can see the ppi difference between two retina screens, you know, screens designed so humans can't distinguish ppi. It just cracks me up. Or it impresses me that Steve Austin is a Macrumors member. Either way
I was referring to your many posts about people criticising the quality of the Air and Retina Mini screens, not just that post.
Ok, then. Let's revisit your comment.
So responding to exaggerations and hyperbole is ME taking it badly?
Ok, so there's a few iPads with screen issues. I don't take issue with the poor guy (or gal) who got stuck with the inevitable production defect. Exchange it and move on. I do "take it badly" when the whining turns to an evil conspiracy by Apple to produce subpar products, when people just make stuff up that Apple was supposed to meet certain "standards" they mysteriously left out of their keynote and marketing materials, and when a product design issue suddenly becomes a crippling defect. THAT is what I am posting about.
Says the guy who listed all the specs of all the Apple products he owns.
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Okay.
In your picture it obviously looks washed out. The iPhone looks over saturated compared to what clash of clans looks like on my iPad Air. Again, it's only an observation and comparison, which are both based on an opinion
Have a very nice day! Lol
Its not the data shows that the Air has the most accurate color reproduction of all those tested.
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I am going to disagree with one thing I care to respond to...the fact that a mac is an over priced pc based on specs. Macs are not overpriced when you compare performance and not specs. Specs dont mean anything. Performance should be the focus.
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you know, you ripped me a new one the other day for "making you repeat yourself" but i would like to point out that I didn't at all say that a mac is an over priced pc based on specs. i didn't even remotely imply that. Of course performance should be the focus. In fact, I think it's pretty clear that my point was precisely that: while maybe PC X has similar specs in terms of clockspeed, ram etc to Mac Y, the performance on that Mac is going to be far superior (in my opinion) - largely based on the OS that's driving it.
So I listed the specs of my devices, but I did not take them out of the box looking for issues and running comparison test to all my previous devices and everyone else's to boot. Instead I just enjoy them. People look for stuff even stuff that isn't even there. It's laughable the extremes people go thru to get that supposed perfect one. Seems you missed my point totally.
You've been making snarky comments nearly every time somebody posts about issues with an iPad display. The fact is that Apple's QC has been seriously lacking when it comes to the Air's display- people shouldn't have to be doing multiple exchanges just to obtain a display on par with their older iPad. Apple's banking on people who don't notice things like yellow displays holding onto their subpar units, in exchange for being able to pump out huge volumes of product. They shouldn't be excused for this.Ok, then. Let's revisit your comment.
So responding to exaggerations and hyperbole is ME taking it badly?
Ok, so there's a few iPads with screen issues. I don't take issue with the poor guy (or gal) who got stuck with the inevitable production defect. Exchange it and move on. I do "take it badly" when the whining turns to an evil conspiracy by Apple to produce subpar products, when people just make stuff up that Apple was supposed to meet certain "standards" they mysteriously left out of their keynote and marketing materials, and when a product design issue suddenly becomes a crippling defect. THAT is what I am posting about.
You've also been making comments about people who are now unsure of the retina Mini thanks to the lower gamut- it's a legitimate issue for some people, and one Apple could avoid- the 2013 Nexus 7 has no such issue.
Could it be that the higher pixel density and 8inch screen size makes the difference? Sharper screen. Maybe it is not igzo screen.
Yes, and sure to get snarkier in response to comments like yours. You lob accusations at Apple like you actually know something. It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's quite another to make this comment and then not expect someone to snark at you.
I'm banking on you buying an Android tablet if you're so disappointed in Apple. I hear Android tablets have a bigger gamut. They'd be perfect for you. Go for it..
Yes, and sure to get snarkier in response to comments like yours. You lob accusations at Apple like you actually know something. It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's quite another to make this comment and then not expect someone to snark at you.
I'm banking on you buying an Android tablet if you're so disappointed in Apple. I hear Android tablets have a bigger gamut. They'd be perfect for you. Go for it..
No, I tried one last year and hated it- check my post history and my posts in the Alternatives section if you don't believe me. I don't like Android, at all. That does not mean, however, that I'm going to give Apple a free pass when they drop the ball.
Do you think that if Apple become aware that a significant amount of iPads were shipped out with subpar displays, that they'd issue a notice for everyone to check their displays for such a defect and get it exchanged? Or if people haven't already done so and haven't noticed, do you think they'd be fine with simply allowing them to keep them and save on the costs associated with more exchanges and a dented image from a significant recall?
Of course they're going to be fine with people keeping iPads with subpar displays- if someone doesn't know any better, and just accepts a display with a yellow tinge, or varying tinges or uneven backlighting, then Apple gets their >$500 and gets to maintain their looser QC standards and maintain huge volumes of product in stores.
Your Apple hate is quite comical. Apple has the best customer service in the industry, period. Honestly I don't understand why they don't ban the OCD maniacs who exchange 7 iPads.
Maybe, just maybe, it's not about not knowing any better. Maybe it's about MILLIONS of people being 100% satisfied with their purchase, and compared to that, the small minority that are NOT is too insignificantly small to cause Apple to change their design or production plans. Chew on THAT.
I've wondered this myself for a long time too. I'm really disappointed in the fact that rMini screen is a bit washed out due to the small gamut. I thought they'd released the perfect ipad for me, but now it's going to be a compromise again. Either an ipad with good screen but bulkier than I'd ideally want, or the right size but a below par screen without full sRGB. I'm almost tempted to make do with the ipad 3 and wait to see what the next gen rMini will be like.
Can't get my head around people defending the screen though. Fine if you're happy to live with it, but at least admit it's not right/perfect. Even if you believe that other Apple devices are oversaturated (I'm one of those), not having the full sRGB is not great, especially when you need the full 'spectrum' when you're trying to do projects that need it such as design or photography
Can't get my head around people defending the screen though. Fine if you're happy to live with it, but at least admit it's not right/perfect. Even if you believe that other Apple devices are oversaturated (I'm one of those), not having the full sRGB is not great, especially when you need the full 'spectrum' when you're trying to do projects that need it such as design or photography
Maybe it's because some people don't use their Minis for design or photography.
For reading email and books, the Mini screen is "perfect".
Not having the full gamut is NOT a defect. It's a design decision. It's like saying a 128GB iPad is "not right" because it won't fit my 4TB movie collection.
If you "need" the full spectrum to do your work, don't buy the Mini. If I need to carry my movie collection with me, I won't be using the Mini for that either.
Maybe it's because some people don't use their Minis for design or photography.
For reading email and books, the Mini screen is "perfect".
Not having the full gamut is NOT a defect. It's a design decision. It's like saying a 128GB iPad is "not right" because it won't fit my 4TB movie collection.
If you "need" the full spectrum to do your work, don't buy the Mini. If I need to carry my movie collection with me, I won't be using the Mini for that either.
I see your point, and maybe I didn't phrase my statement very well. Unless there is some manufacturing issue (which I can't see as they've done both smaller and bigger screens) I cannot see why a company would choose to make a screen that is not only below par with some of its own, but also that of other manufacturers
I could well be wrong but the only reasons I can think of is so that they shift more iPad Airs and/or there's more scope for an upgrade next time around. As I said before, if they'd got the full sRGB this time around it would have been the perfect iPad in my eyes, but I guess if they made a perfect one now who would buy the next one?
I'm genuinely happy for those that love their rMinis, that's great. It just bugs me it's not quite as good as it could/should be. I really wish I knew Apple's decision behind the reduced gamut, maybe then I would be more accepting and less skeptical
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I completely agree with this, I think their CS is outstanding and wish other companies would follow suit.
I see your point, and maybe I didn't phrase my statement very well. Unless there is some manufacturing issue (which I can't see as they've done both smaller and bigger screens) I cannot see why a company would choose to make a screen that is not only below par with some of its own, but also that of other manufacturers
Easy. More profit.
I'm genuinely happy for those that love their rMinis, that's great. It just bugs me it's not quite as good as it could/should be. I really wish I knew Apple's decision behind the reduced gamut, maybe then I would be more accepting and less skeptical
Fair enough. I'm with you on this. Apple is trying to hit a price point and maintain a certain (high) profit margin. It's a balancing act. I suspect they could build the tablet you are expecting, but probably not for $399 and keep the same profit margin. So they make certain compromises to appeal to the majority of buyers. This is just me speculating.