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Great, since you guys are so tech savvy then, just click and hold the volume button and in a sec or too, it will be muted. End of story. I am tech savy too and I want one simple switch to flip and unflip to lock or unlock my iphone, and because I am tech savey I don't want to go through 5 gestures to do it.

As for the sleeping state argument, it's irrelevant, you still mute it from sleep, hold the damn volume button down, it will probably be quicker than flipping the switch anyway.



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It's not irrelevant. It will not mute with the rocker switch from a sleeping state. I'm sorry, but you're unfamiliar with the topic at hand

As for being tech savvy. Like I said. if you're interrupted by an alert in a meeting, you can't casually flip this switch and pretend it was someone else. You have to pull it out, wake it, unlock it, then wait two seconds.
 
software orientation lock is very useable and quick, it's not an issue as far as i'm concerned. having the hardware mute is good because you can easily switch back to your set volume and not ramp up and down. i personally feel this "issue" is WAY overblown in the newsgroups. wait till you use it and then see what you think. i've been on the beta for a while and it works very very well. very fast and functional. no problem. imho.

Well we don't really have to wait to see it, we already have it on our iphones...:rolleyes:

It's neither very fast, nor very functional.

But on the iphone you don't use lock that much, and it's not that problematic when the whole screen turns cause it's smaller. But whenever I am about to use it I think again because I just can't be bothered double cliking, then swiping, then touching, then single clicking or touching again to get back to where I was. I just want to turn the ipad around then lock it there with the switch.

Let alone that on the iphone from the home screen the orientation does not change to horizontal. In the ipad it does, all the more reasons for a dedicated switch.

At the very least give me a damn option what I want to do with my switch, if I don't care for mute, and I have mute on the volume anyway, why can't I use it that way?

tstststststst....
 
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Corndog5595 said:
We're arguing over a button.
Seriously.

Thank you, yes. I'm done with this thread. People are way too hyped up over this.
 
Quite simply, the young tech savvy business person is a more desirable market than people who Cant figure out the switch.

That is simply ignorant.

The "tech savvy business person" is a significantly smaller market.

The fact is that most "business people" are not even "tech savvy."

Also, the "tech savvy business person" who would prefer to have the switch be a mute button is completely capable of changing a basic preference setting if Steve would simply allow it.

If the proposed mute switch only mute some sounds then the non-tech savvy people will not understand why the "mute switch" does not turn off all the sound.
 
Some of you don't understand the inconvenience of the modification of the switch. When I use my iPad, I like to rotate it portrait and landscape quite often depending on what I'm doing. If I go to safari, I'll flip the lock switch to off, let it rotate and then lock the switch again. This is very quick, very easy and it gets the job done great. I've used the 4.2 OS and let me tell ya, the change is annoying as crap. I never mute my iPad notifications, why would I need to when I can just mute the iPad itself. Having to double click, swipe, tap lock, then tap the screen again just to perform the simple function. Imagine doing this often and how annoying this is! The beauty of what the old switch did was that I can lock and unlock very conveniently. Some of you don't understand this difference because you've never used an iPad.
 
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southernpaws said:
bouncer1 said:
Yeah, so what? Are you expecting it to ring? In that unlikely case hit and hold the volume for 2 secs...

Anyone who doesn't find this colossally stupid, I don't know what to add...

No, but I very frequently receive emails. Not to mention aim alerts, words with friends alerts, iCal alerts, dictionary.com word of the day alerts, espn alerts, fax received alerts. Do I need to go on, or do you still think it's unlikely and I am colossally stupid?

How about if you're in a high powered business meeting? Ever go to one of those? It doesn't matter how rare they are, all you need is one Unfortunate ring and you have people eyeing you.

Still stupid? How about this. Your solution of just holding the volume button down only works if the iPad is unlocked. So if you're interrupted by an alert, you can't casually flip this switch and pretend it was someone else. You have to pull it out, wake it, unlock it, then wait two seconds.

Be careful how you throw around the word stupid.

Well said. It seems that people who like mute actually may have a real problem with an errant noise from their iPad. The ones who want an orientation lock are people who like to look at websites while upside down.
 
I 've gifted the ipad to quite a few older friends and relatives, and they all know how to flick a switch to have the ipad in one or another direction, and none of them will figure out to double click then swipe left, then touch a control, then click the home screen button to exit...five gestures for no reason whilst one switch is simple, it is enough, and there's already another switch in the volume button to take care of the mute (that no one is going to use anyway because it's not as if the ipad is ever going to ring or something).

Most of them can't figure out double click the home screen button or what background processes are. And rightly so if you ask me, after a certain age.
This is actually a good point.
 
Well we don't really have to wait to see it, we already have it on our iphones...:rolleyes:

It's neither very fast, nor very functional. .

Re: fast. It takes me about two seconds to lock the o on my iPhone. Have to hold the iPad rocker two seconds before mute is activated. Speed is often more necessary in relation to mute, but I can see someone preferring one over the other
 
Some of you don't understand the inconvenience of the modification of the switch. When I use my iPad, I like to rotate it portrait and landscape quite often depending on what I'm doing. If I go to safari, I'll flip the lock switch to off, let it rotate and then lock the switch again. This is very quick, very easy and it gets the job done great. I've used the 4.2 OS and let me tell ya, the change is annoying as crap. I never mute my iPad notifications, why would I need to when I can just mute the iPad itself. Having to double click, swipe, tap lock, then tap the screen again just to perform the simple function. Imagine doing this often and how annoying this is! The beauty of what the old switch did was that I can lock and unlock very conveniently. Some of you don't understand this difference because you've never used an iPad.

Amen. Just reading through this thread it seems that the majority of the people supporting this change are the ones that don't own an ipad in the first place. Wonder if Jobs even uses an iPad to let something like this pass.
 
To all the people who complain about needing to quickly turn off the sound in a meeting, how come you don't do that before the meeting? Seriously, we have all had cell phones and pdas for years now. If you don't know to do that by now, I don't know what to tell you... :confused:
 
Funny how some are making this such a big deal. Remember when they had the first leaked images of the iPad? Everyone at first thought the switch was a mute switch.

No biggie for me.


Yes and then we were happily surprised to find out that it was actually something much more useful : an orientation lock.

If it is not a big deal to you then you won't mind if Apple were to leave it as it has been.
 
Like many here, I am torn. To get multi-tasking I have to give up rotation control? Oh, yeah and I really hate not having a switch on my iPhone and having it flop around like a dead fish while trying to show people something...

I grew to like the rotation switch on the iPad. Like a whole whopping huge amount... I wondered why there wasn't a switch like it on the iPhone.

Well Steve? What will it take?
 
To all the people who complain about needing to quickly turn off the sound in a meeting, how come you don't do that before the meeting? Seriously, we have all had cell phones and pdas for years now. If you don't know to do that by now, I don't know what to tell you... :confused:

If you've never forgotten, youre unlike the majority of humans
 
It's not irrelevant. It will not mute with the rocker switch from a sleeping state. I'm sorry, but you're unfamiliar with the topic at hand

As for being tech savvy. Like I said. if you're interrupted by an alert in a meeting, you can't casually flip this switch and pretend it was someone else. You have to pull it out, wake it, unlock it, then wait two seconds.

You are right it doesn't (of course you conveniently missed all my other points...), well they should make the volume work from the lock screen too. Easy and end of story.

Btw if you go to a meeting turn the volume down before hand? What's the big deal?

What you describe is a falacy, the ipad is not going to ring and ring so you want as fast as possible to turn it off like a phone.



Here's your scenario, you get a notification in a meeting, ipad beeps once,

*beep*

your scenario:

oh I need a dedicated switch to stop that (no other beep sound come of course, it's not a phone to keep ringing), I can't use the volume button I have to unlock first, ok great (nothing is ringing as you think all that), apple has now a dedicated mute, I press it cool (nothing still keeps ringing)...a, ok.



my scenario (even without the volume working from the lock screen), *beep*, click, swipe to unlock, hold the volume, end of story.

Now let's see the lock button.
You pick up the ipad as a young professional for presentation, oh you 've forgot to lock it and it switches orientation when you tilt it one way to show a client sitting at an angle or when you hand it over to someone. Flick switch end of story.

your scenario, ok sorry for that, let me just double click here, swipe once, let me touch this button, click on the screen again, ah hear we are...after ten minutes...let me also show you a portrait drawing of this design, let me just double click, oh I am anxious about the presentation and I single clicked, let's go back, now I ll double click, swipe, unlock it, now let me turn it, oh let first touch it to go out of the screen, oh wait but I want to lock it too in that orientation let's double click bak swipe, lock it.......:eek:
 
To all the people who complain about needing to quickly turn off the sound in a meeting, how come you don't do that before the meeting? Seriously, we have all had cell phones and pdas for years now. If you don't know to do that by now, I don't know what to tell you... :confused:

I thought the same thing. Plus, when your phone/ipad/whatever happens to go off on a meeting, you've already caused a disruption; switching it off in 3 secs vs 5 (unless you happen to have a trigger finger on your mute button the whole time) is not going to make one bit of a difference.
 
Big Deal

I can't believe how many people are complaining about this, are you kidding me? Big deal, it just makes it like the iPhones mute switch. I hardly have used the screen lock anyway, actually I don't even really need it!
 
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rsocal said:
I can't believe how many people are complaining about this, are you kidding me? Big deal, it just makes it like the iPhones mute switch. I hardly have used the screen lock anyway, actually I don't even really need it!

The o switch brigade thinks you are a liar and don't have an iPad :)
 
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As someone else mentioned, what happens when your iPad is in your bag and you go into a meeting, then someone calls you on FaceTime? It IS like a phone in that regard, that you want to QUICKLY and certainly mute.

Edit: oh, and I DO have an iPad.

And you have FaceTime on your iPad?
 
That is simply ignorant.

The "tech savvy business person" is a significantly smaller market.

The fact is that most "business people" are not even "tech savvy."

Also, the "tech savvy business person" who would prefer to have the switch be a mute button is completely capable of changing a basic preference setting if Steve would simply allow it.

If the proposed mute switch only mute some sounds then the non-tech savvy people will not understand why the "mute switch" does not turn off all the sound.

Just because you call it ignorant doesn't make it true.

Granted, it would have helped if I was more careful with my terms. By tech savvy, I don't mean someone who builds their own computers and pores over specs and counts java as their second language. I mean those of us businesspeople who eschew pen and paper and fax in favor of electronic devices. Whose day planners are replaced with an iPad. That's what I meant, sorry for the confusion

For further clarification. The young workforce that would benefit from a mobile device as an iPad is far greater and shows more potential for growth than the aforementioned "old people" who are confused by the switch. (with all due respect to the generations that made these devices possible)

Agreed that an option would be nice. From there, the argument delves into whether it's better to have a uniform user experience (so the "old people" who learn how to use an iPod know then how to use an iPhone and iPad immediately) or options. For me, I could take it or leave it. I'd like the options myself, but the unified experience is a better business strategy and thus bette for my stock portfolio.
 
If you've never forgotten, youre unlike the majority of humans

I go to meetings prepared. That includes turning the sound off of any devices I may have. I know I am in the minority. I am always astounded at how many people don't do that. I am also astounded at how many people who go to business meetings unprepared. It's funny how they usually seem to be the same people.
 
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