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If it's true that not many people are upgrading... then most of the 9.3 million iPads they sold in the last 3 months went to new iPad owners.

That's actually not too bad.

I often hear "market saturation" but then Apple sells more than any other tablet maker. They might not be growing anymore... but they're still selling a lot of them.

And since they do last a long time... old iPads are still being used too. Not many iPads get thrown away... they continue life as a kid's tablet or coffee table devices.

Yeah, due to the type of device, old iPads (up to a point) are still useful. I have one in my kitchen with some minor damage to the screen for recipes. I have another in my cube at work running Cathode as an ssh terminal. They don't take up much space and have a fairly maintenance free OS so they're OK to have around for much longer than an old Windows machine with 9 adware toolbars layered over the top of Firefox, etc.
 
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I love my iPad Pro but Apple completely abandoned it. They are so good at showing why you need it, then ignore.

If they were serious about a Pro Tablet, they should have written a Pro iOS to go with it.

When iOS 10 beta came out and there were almost zero iPad specific features, I feared the worst and it looks like I am right.

It blows my mind that something as powerful as the iPad Pro is still using the same stupid icon grid layout as the OG iPad 1.
 
So what.

The top of the line of any product rarely outsells the less expensive models below it. Out of all the laptops Apple has sold are the majority of those the top o the line expensive MacBook Pro's? Don't think so.
 
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This article is about the iPad Pro marketshare, not the price of "computers". If you knew your history, you'd realize that Macs back in the 80's also cost several thousand dollars... a Mac SE would be about $1500 or more. Convert that to today's financial rates and that was one very expensive computer! Today's computers are FAR more powerful and advanced. Would we all love all Macs to be sub-$2k? Yes. Is that realistic? No.

My Ti was 1,999 in early 2000s. But that was a time Apple was using PowerPC that had zero market share and making custom boards for them. Apple is now using off the shelf - The i5s and i7s are sold in bulk (and what they using is 1 year old parts) and Intel does not allow anyone to design their own controllers anymore - so the motherboard is also a reference design.

My old 12 inch PowerBookG4 was 1,500 in 2006 yes - but it had a dedicated GeForce FX in it (crazy at the time for the size). The new MacBook Pro 13 with a 15W ultrabook CPU is not a 1500 dollar machine.
 
I love my iPad Pro but Apple completely abandoned it. They are so good at showing why you need it, then ignore.

If they were serious about a Pro Tablet, they should have written a Pro iOS to go with it.

When iOS 10 beta came out and there were almost zero iPad specific features, I feared the worst and it looks like I am right.

It blows my mind that something as powerful as the iPad Pro is still using the same stupid icon grid layout as the OG iPad 1.
I agree with this completely. That iPad Pro is a massive pile of potential being restrained by a mediocre (for it's format) operating system.
 
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This article is about the iPad Pro marketshare, not the price of "computers". If you knew your history, you'd realize that Macs back in the 80's also cost several thousand dollars... a Mac SE would be about $1500 or more. Convert that to today's financial rates and that was one very expensive computer! Today's computers are FAR more powerful and advanced. Would we all love all Macs to be sub-$2k? Yes. Is that realistic? No.
As long as you only talk about Macs with the crazy high margins… compared to other computer manufacturers whose computers are far less expensive and they keep the internal hardware far more current. I agree the Mac Pro should have a high price tag but it languishes far behind because Apple has chosen to not upgrade it. Apple has killed the low end too. Mini update? After putting out a fairly capable Mini the next update was a locked down non-upgradedable completely compromised machine which has been abandoned. Air update? Apple compromises a MacBook Pro and says hey, it is better in every way, Air people you should be happy. Happy? Why? I now have to pay more money for a refreshed computer which historically has not been the case. Apple removed the ports I use so now I have to carry extra dongles that I also have to purchase. I mean I/O of Apple's top 2 selling products that have just been refreshed aren't even compatible as far as in the box cables. Apple should have at least tossed in a new compatible cable when buying a new MacBook Pro so you can connect to your iPhone.
Let's look historically. I bought an LC lll for $1200. The computer ran current day software fine. It came with an Apple branded industry standard sized monitor. It included the keyboard and the mouse as well as an Apple branded printer.
Show me where I can find that Apple product line today. It is gone. No Apple monitors. No Apple printers.
Apple has chosen to abandon lines.
For?
Lack of crazy high margins.
To spend money on "Project Titen" that looks to be a boondoggle.
Hmmm… Apple headed in the right direction? It doesn't look like it to me.
 
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I guess a better comparison would be Cayman (aka iPad mini) vs 911 (9.7" iPad) vs Cayenne (12.9" iPad).

Point still stands. 918 is top of the line as is the iPad Pro. Brother's customer bought 3 of them. One to daily drive, another to track, and one to mothball.
 
Depends on your use case, and the Surface Pro has had more issues than I think I've ever had with any notebook line...and there doesn't seem to be any effort to fix those issues even though they're repeating throughout the models. When a single notebook can bring down an entire wi-fi network just by being on that network, that's a real problem.

I've had the SP4 for more than 6 months and while I did come across a few issues, mostly related to the type cover not being detected properly, it has worked great. It's interesting how Apple fanboys are the ones always having all sorts of problems with anything non-Apple, what a coincidence!
 
I love my iPad Pro but Apple completely abandoned it. They are so good at showing why you need it, then ignore.

If they were serious about a Pro Tablet, they should have written a Pro iOS to go with it.

When iOS 10 beta came out and there were almost zero iPad specific features, I feared the worst and it looks like I am right.

It blows my mind that something as powerful as the iPad Pro is still using the same stupid icon grid layout as the OG iPad 1.

Its not just the operating system its the App Store. There is just no way you can sell professional class software on there and make it work from a business point of view.

I use Sketch for any design stuff I do. This article and the comments from Sketch sum the iPad Pro/App Store situation up

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/...t-be-coming-to-the-ipad-pro-with-good-reason/ ..

We don’t have plans for an iPad pro version at the moment. Yes, it has a beautiful screen, but there’s more to consider, such as how to adapt the UI for touch without compromising the experience.

But the biggest problem is the platform. Apps on iOS sell for unsustainably low prices due to the lack of trials. We cannot port Sketch to the iPad if we have no reasonable expectation of earning back on our investment.

Maintaining an application on two different platforms and provide one of them for a 10th of it’s value won’t work, and iPad volumes are low enough to disqualify the “make it up in volume” argument.

In the meantime, we focus on what we do best; a great, modern app on OS Xfor design professionals.
 
9.7 pro exists as does a 24 month ATT program.
I was conflating the iPad and the iPhone, albeit badly... I re-read it and I see why you came to that.

You're right, the 9.7in Pro does come as a 24 month program - I'm going to pay cash/Best Buy cards for it. That way, I can go to Oregon and not pay tax on it, but when I use the NEXT program, I do pay the taxes on it, regardless of where I purchase it.
 
Point still stands. 918 is top of the line as is the iPad Pro. Brother's customer bought 3 of them. One to daily drive, another to track, and one to mothball.
The 9.7" iPad Pro and the 9.7" iPad Air 2 are much like two car models with different engines but the same body. It's really more like 911 Carrera and 911 Turbo.
 
Why would a Dev waste their time making Pro level software for a market where Candy crush price points are expected?

Even for the likes of Adobe, its a waste of time.

I'd happily pay appropriate price. And a company like Adobe can easily make that kind of risk.
Besides, there's companies already willing to do so, like Pixelmator. Great iPad app. I just wish Adobe would do it with Photoshop.
 
Do we have actual sales numbers for Amazon's Fire tablets? I mean, explosive growth of 319% could mean a lot of things. Are they even selling 1 million units a year? I have the large iPad Pro and use it for traveling and work. So I guess I've used it to replace a laptop for such events. My laptop stays at home more and more. But I still use it.

I'm afraid I likely account for 200%... I bought 2 for my children cuz they were 50 bucks each.

But instead of the Fire... I should've just lit the Benjamin on fire. They're awful.
 
I'd happily pay appropriate price. And a company like Adobe can easily make that kind of risk.
Besides, there's companies already willing to do so, like Pixelmator. Great iPad app. I just wish Adobe would do it with Photoshop.

You might and thats a credit to you but most won't. Its amazing I've recommended iOS apps to people and when they've found out its costs £2.99 their reaction is "How much ??" :eek:. They wouldn't think twice about going into Starbucks and spending that on a Gingerbread Latte.

Another problem is the business models that are allowed on the App Store. The lack of a free trial system is a killer for pro level software (see the comments from sketch in my last post)

For example say i've got a great App out for the iPad Pro for artist that uses the pencil but i've priced it at £70. Nobody is going to pay that straight away without a trial period.

Apple is slowly starting to open the app store but its still unworkable for most developers of pro software. Take Pixcelmator as an example what are they selling their app for on iOS, something like £3.
 
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I only bought one because I wanted an Apple Pencil (amazing bit of kit!). I doubt I'll get a new one now for another 5 years, my last iPad was a 2nd generation one after all.

I think this is the reason tablets are not upgraded at the same rate as phones; they last longer. I upgrade every other year on my phone but on average 4 years on my iPad and 6 (or more) years on my computer.

Going forward I think tablets will continue to decline; not disappear but I think we have seen the peak of tablet sales.
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You might and thats a credit to you but most won't. Its amazing I've recommended iOS apps to people and when they've found out its costs £2.99 their reaction is "How much ??" :eek:. They wouldn't think twice about going into Starbucks and spending that on a Gingerbread Latte.

Another problem is the business models that are allowed on the App Store. The lack of a free trial system is a killer for pro level software (see the comments from sketch in my last post)

For example say i've got a great App out for the iPad Pro for artist that uses the pencil but i've priced it at £70. Nobody is going to pay that straight away without a trial period.

Apple is slowly starting to open the app store but its still unworkable for most developers of pro software. Take Pixcelmator as an example what are they selling their app for on iOS, something like £3.

100% agree. No one wants to spend a dime on other people's (devolpers') hard work. I'll drop $3 in a heartbeat if I think an app will work. You are also 100% correct in that there must be some sort of trial mechanism for more expensive apps.
 
I think this is the reason tablets are not upgraded at the same rate as phones; they last longer. I upgrade every other year on my phone but on average 4 years on my iPad and 6 (or more) years on my computer.

Going forward I think tablets will continue to decline; not disappear but I think we have seen the peak of tablet sales.
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100% agree. No one wants to spend a dime on other people's (devolpers') hard work. I'll drop $3 in a heartbeat if I think an app will work. You are also 100% correct in that there must be some sort of trial mechanism for more expensive apps.

Agreed. No one really needs an iPad because Apple never came up with a compelling reason to have one. It's just a bigger iPhone.
 
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I think this is also a testament to how good the iPad Air 2 still is with handling all current iPad apps. Nobody really needs the expensive, overpowered/overpriced upgrade. I think it would be a much better value if they had included the pencil in the box since it's the main selling point.
 
So Headline is, 'one third of all iPads sold were iPad pros'. Is that supposed to be bad (honest question). Because that's certainly the way the statement seems to be framed. (?)
 
Now imagine how sales are going to be for an $1800 laptop that has the same performance as the last year.
 
iPad Pro???... the only thing Pro with that, is the Price.

Apple is seriously loosing it...

Even the easily fooled weren't fooled by the Pro nonsense.
Laughable.
A Pro would have run OSX, not a phone operating system.
A Pro would have had a file system courtesy of above.
A Pro would have had full windowed multi-tasking.
A Pro would have real mouse support.
A Pro would have had ports that pros need.
A Pro would have had the option for more than 4GB of memory.
 
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