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They really really I mean really need this pro line to be a surface type device for it to succeed. Just increasing the size from a phone to tablet with same iOS is such crap.
Totally disagree, I have surface pro 4 and surface book which are decentish as desktop but pure crap as tablet in comparison to iPad.
 
The iPad Pro might be a professional tool for creatives, but I'm still waiting till I can create pivots in excel for iOS... or numbers for that matter.
I'm mostly frustrated that Apple leaves the pro of iPad Pro up to third parties when it comes to iOS software.

AND I'm not sure a pencil or a finger are that good for excel work and reporting an entire day.

So I'm not surprised it's only a third of the sales.
So, you are the user i completely don't understand. If your work flow is not pen centric--why bother with a super tablet? I hate it when posters here say "get a laptop" because it ignores pen needs, but why wouldn't you prefer a laptop like the mac book 12?
 
Thinking about iPad Pro a little more, as an owner (and more), I have this growing panic. I have trusted Apple to make great products that deliver. I can and will pay for that. And Apple clearly still makes great hardware products and has a mostly consistent software trajectory that keeps a lot of the brand promise. But I have this growing fear that Apple is more interested in profit than great products for users. The designs, iPad Pro included, continue a legacy that is getting long in the tooth, even though under-the-hood Apple still has a lead. But the overall products are starting to feel more like profit traps than great products: "buy me, I have racing stripes." This is crushing for one who has bought into the Apple brand for a long, long time. The iPad Pro feels like an idea that has squeezed all that it can out of the current design. Macs feel the same. iPhone is right there as well, although I hold our irrational hope that the 10th anniversary and next iPhone moves the bar. But there is something off with Apple these days. They milk things for every last ounce. That's not what got there here, and that change makes me feel that I have bought in for too long. I'm not proclaiming doom. I am offering anxiety. Their great products aren't feeling very innovative these days. In this specific case I see the iPad Pro as a big iPhone with a stylus. Why would people buy it? And this is coming from one who did.

Agree the senior team needs "shaking up", keep Tim though as leader.
Tim has some difficult and unpopular decisions to make very soon. (early 1/4 2017)
First for the "chop" - the utterly dreadful Mr phil schiller.
 
Totally disagree, I have surface pro 4 and surface book which are decentish as desktop but pure crap as tablet in comparison to iPad.
You don't think if apple implemented a desktop style iPad pro it will sell better than the current version? It would be huge. probably catabolize some of the actual computer sales though.
 
TIMMY, please. Next release has to truly be a laptop killer (not that it will be hard since the laptops you just released need to be killed). Your hold vision and strategy is muddled. Clean it up.


The MacBook Pros with four TB 3/USB C ports (each port being able to handle multiple streams), a high performance color-accurate DCI-P3 display, huge trackpad clickable over the entire surface, fast SSD (not a hybrid), ability to drive multiple external 5K displays (with one cable handling data, display programming, and laptop charging), 10 hour battery, all in a compact low weight package works for me.

What exactly are you looking for? Some old USB A connectors? Maybe a spoiler wing and VTEC stickers?
 
Because who is going to buy a "pro" tablet that cant run Adobe CC or put an extra pound of tech in their bag just to do concept work on it?

Who can leave home without their work machine? How many times you get a call from the Press/Client asking for a change on your "weekend trip". What you going to say? - sorry I only packed my iPad Pro I can't open the inDesign file :rolleyes:

Good luck with that.

I see value in a sketch only machine that is lighter with a long battery life. Not everyone is working working weekend deadline presentation work
 
Why would anyone buy an $800-1000 iPad Pro over a similarly priced Surface Pro 4 that actually runs a real OS? Does not compute.
You apparently haven't used a Surface and iPad Pro for any length of time. If you did, you would understand. You might not agree, but you'd understand.

Windows 10 is not a tablet OS. It is a desktop OS with touch UI slapped on it. iOS is a tablet OS optimized for touch.

The Surface Pro 4 is a decent notebook that can operate as a tablet in a pinch. But the tablet experience is significantly inferior to the iPad Pro. The iPad Pro is primarily a tablet and when I need to do "notebooky" things, I can remotely connect to my iMac... not ideal, but quite adequate.

There are many reasons why an iPad Pro is preferable over a Surface Pro 4 for many... and that is before I need to mention a tablet with a fan. ;)
 
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One word: Price.
I remember when Apple released this posters here said the pencil was super niche and no one would buy pro, especially at a steep premium for the 12.9". One third of sales is far higher than I might have anticipated. I was thinking 1/5-1/8.
 
You apparently haven't used either a Surface or iPad Pro for any length of time. If you did, you would understand. You might not agree, but you'd understand.
I have used various surface pros for years and i find them awesome.
 
My 9.7 pro is great but I'm not sure I notice that much between it and the air 2 in general tasks.
 
iPad Pro is better machine than a Surface, but Microsoft has been more successful in positiioning the Surface as something "real work" can be done on. Remember, most people's experience with iPad is with an Air or earlier - even an iPad 2. Those were not nearly as capable for work as a Pro.

With further iOS updates and ad spending, Apple has a real chance to win over people who need a work computer that is more versatile than a traditional PC or MacBook.
 
iPad Pro is better machine than a Surface, but Microsoft has been more successful in positiioning the Surface as something "real work" can be done on. Remember, most people's experience with iPad is with an Air or earlier - even an iPad 2. Those were not nearly as capable for work as a Pro.

With further iOS updates and ad spending, Apple has a real chance to win over people who need a work computer that is more versatile than a traditional PC or MacBook.

Yeah, with more advertising I will definitely start using a stretched out iPhone for work. I mean who needs things like file management, peripheral support, printing support for any printer imaginable and expandable storage when you can have a gimped version of Photoshop instead?
 
Yeah, with more advertising I will definitely start using a stretched out iPhone for work. I mean who needs things like file management, peripheral support, printing support for any printer imaginable and expandable storage when you can have a gimped version of Photoshop instead?
It sounds like your work needs require something other than a tablet, which begs the question...why aren't you just using the right tool for the job instead of posting on internet?
 
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maybe bring force touch to the screen. I returned mine because it doesn't have it.
It would be really nice if Apple had some consistency across product lines. Something as simple as the great calculator on iPhone I miss desperately on the ipad, plus the superb weather app. A flash across models would be nice too.
 
iPad Pro is better machine than a Surface, but Microsoft has been more successful in positiioning the Surface as something "real work" can be done on. Remember, most people's experience with iPad is with an Air or earlier - even an iPad 2. Those were not nearly as capable for work as a Pro.

With further iOS updates and ad spending, Apple has a real chance to win over people who need a work computer that is more versatile than a traditional PC or MacBook.
As much as I am a fan of the 12.9 iPad Pro, I have to admit that in some scenarios my Surface 2 is more "pro" (the much maligned Windows RT model, not the Surface Pro) . That is an irritation for me.

Apple doesn't need more marketing, they need (IMO) to make some iPad Pro-specific enhancements to iOS and for app developers to update their apps to take advantage of those enhancements.
 
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So, you are the user i completely don't understand. If your work flow is not pen centric--why bother with a super tablet? I hate it when posters here say "get a laptop" because it ignores pen needs, but why wouldn't you prefer a laptop like the mac book 12?


It's Apple saying I don't need to buy a pc anymore to everyone. It's Apple putting Microsoft on stage with the release of the iPad Pro!

Apple is not saying, "this iPad Pro is only for creatives" get your facts straight.
 
It would be really nice if Apple had some consistency across product lines. Something as simple as the great calculator on iPhone I miss desperately on the ipad, plus the superb weather app. A flash across models would be nice too.
You can't even buy an iPad that has all the iPad features. Tim Cook is a moron and he will be gone this time next year unless that pipe dream, I mean pipeline of products coming, is amazing.
 
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The iPad Pro 12.9 have a very niche market. I have one and I do enjoy using it for drawing.

However...
It is not very portable device like the smaller 10 inch version though. And it does not run the Adobe CC like the surface and I think that's why most people don't buy the IPP because in truth it is not really a IPP more like iPad with a pencil that you buy separately
 
maybe bring force touch to the screen. I returned mine because it doesn't have it.

So you returned your iPad Pro because it didn't have 3D Touch? Were you not aware it didn't have it before you purchased it? Seems a bit strange you returned your iPad for something you should have known it didn't have to begin with.

Secondly, Cook stated in the past the the level of difficulty to incorporate 3D Touch into the iPhone, let alone a larger screen. I don't think it's like Apple didn't consider the possibilities of the 3D Touch in the past, it's likely it's a larger feat to accomplish with larger displays.
 
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