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I have an Air 2 and a Mini 4. The Mini 4 is my daily driver. I bought a 9.7 Pro Cellular 256GB + Pencil yesterday. Noticed that it had a chip in the chamfered edge out of the box. Planning to get it swapped out but I'm beginning to think I may just return it for a refund. The screen gets less fingerprints, and the speakers are awesome but I use earbuds most of the time anyway. Spec-wise it's much better than the Mini 4 and Air 2, but in real-world use, I actually think the Pro stutters more than the others when scrolling web pages etc. It just doesn't feel more powerful. I may give it a few more days to be sure.
 
I'm glad I bought my 256 9.7 LTE Pro. I'm using it with the pencil as a notepad now and its absolutely great. Perfect size for being portable and using handheld. Absolutely no buyers remorse here.
 
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Neither of my kids are allowed to use mine. My daughter (15) has her iPod touch and a PC to use and my son (10) uses my iPhone maybe once a week or an old laptop we have.

Barely trust myself, not trusting them.

I have the 9.7" IPP. I love the speakers, but if I hadn't purchased it using AT&T Next, it'd probably go back. Not that big of a jump from Air 2. Screen's great, but not noticeably faster in my experience.

I feel like it would be easier having an iPad, if my little one was a bit older and would understand why she can't play with it, but she's way too young.
 
Just used mine (9.7) in class for notes. Literally the first time i've handwritten notes in over a decade.

The machine is a dream.

Thats cool.. But the question is, are handwritten notes better than typed? Are you able to type faster than handwrite? Seems like for me, I can type a lot faster than I an write on paper. And this is coming from someone that was in a time that all my classwork was done with a pencil or pen. Annotating with the pencil has been good.. Trust me, I'm trying to justify my IPP + Pencil purchase (5 days left on return), but its been difficult.
 
I'm all for people have opinions on things. That's what these forums are for! But wouldn't any number of a bunch of other threads have covered this? Liiiiike....https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/how-happy-are-you-with-your-new-9-7-ipad-pro.1964991/

It's just kind of odd. Saying you didn't know if you needed to upgrade because "well true tone is nice and it has nice speakers, but I don't know!" Well...those were the upgrades. If you didn't think those features among the other new ones were worth it, why did you get it ya know?

There's a lot of psychology that goes on with purchases. Especially these days when you have the media and giant multi billion dollar companies telling you what to buy. Back when I was a kid, people didn't really buy things unless they had a strong need. "Back in my day" (when saying that, I get to feel old) you kept your tv until it died. Same with phones and everything else. Now people are spending hundreds of dollars on a product for a couple minor features they don't even know they need. And despite how fast tech seems to be moving, there aren't any quantum leaps in technology. Especially when you already have a product that just a month ago was the newest most current one. That's why on all these sites they ask this very question. "If I have an iPad Air 2, should I get the new iPad Pro?" And it's pretty much a consensus that unless you're dying for an updated speaker set up or a better camera, your iPad Air 2 is just fine. It's like if someone warns you not to put your hand in fire then you do it anyway, then you make a thread about it saying "damnnnn that was hot! I probably shouldn't have done that!" Then people look at you like dude. You were warned. How can you be that shocked? You should have thought this through. Are the people that tell him to be more careful in the future just a bunch of jerks?

I don't know. Maybe I bring too much of my own perspective with my comments sometimes and it can be jarring to some people. I can be a little too blunt sometimes.

I agree and I will go one step further.

All opinions here are valid and add a distinct perspective. No opinion is right or wrong per se, but they are definitely valid for them person making them and for others collecting them.

First and foremost, upgrades are about cost/benefit. If you already own a late version iPad (or any other tech), your benefits are reduced.

Second, each person will see the add-on benefits differently because:
- they have different financial conditions
- they use the device less/more often than you
- their unique uses (keyboard, pencil, movies, travel, LTE, in bed/on desk) will make them value more or less such benefits

As a general rule of thumb (ie works for majority of cases but definitely not all cases), one should not upgrade every year. It goes for cars, TVs, PCs, MacBooks, iOS devices, etc.

That is one of the reasons some people argue that threads of buyers remorse for one year upgrades are less useful than others. One should really think, ponder and question oneself prior to making such upgrades.

Does Apple put on a show to entice upgrades ? Yes that's their job, prerogative. Does anyone have to follow ? No. Nice to have is never must have.

In my case, I upgrade from iPad Air 1. Use lots for travel/work. I also skipped the iPad 4. Much better than iPad 3 but not a must have upgrade from iPad 3 (first retina model). The iPad 3 is being thoroughly used by my significant other until this date (and she will be happy to upgrade to the iPad Air). iPads are useful for 4 years or more, I still have iPad 1 working as AppleTV substitutes, by themselves or hooked to TV sets.
 
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Thats cool.. But the question is, are handwritten notes better than typed? Are you able to type faster than handwrite? Seems like for me, I can type a lot faster than I an write on paper. And this is coming from someone that was in a time that all my classwork was done with a pencil or pen. Annotating with the pencil has been good.. Trust me, I'm trying to justify my IPP + Pencil purchase (5 days left on return), but its been difficult.

This really depends on the person and the kind of notes you want to take. I can type a lot faster than I can write, but I can't easily draw diagrams or add notes to a picture or pdf, make a drawing, quickly move from annotating one section of the note to the other, etc. There is also some research indicating handwritten notes are retained better than typed ones.
 
This really depends on the person and the kind of notes you want to take. I can type a lot faster than I can write, but I can't easily draw diagrams or add notes to a picture or pdf, make a drawing, quickly move from annotating one section of the note to the other, etc. There is also some research indicating handwritten notes are retained better than typed ones.

Good points.. I'm going to take it to work this week and try using it for notes, as long as my boss doesn't think I'm catching a game of Hearthstone in the middle of a meeting it'll be a good experiment.
 
Thats cool.. But the question is, are handwritten notes better than typed? Are you able to type faster than handwrite? Seems like for me, I can type a lot faster than I an write on paper. And this is coming from someone that was in a time that all my classwork was done with a pencil or pen. Annotating with the pencil has been good.. Trust me, I'm trying to justify my IPP + Pencil purchase (5 days left on return), but its been difficult.
I'm far and away faster typing, but I've never been able to type notes in a way that connects the ideas in a way other than bullet points. With the iPad I can draw connections/images/arrows between things in a way that makes sense to me.
 
There is also some research indicating handwritten notes are retained better than typed ones.

This is worth mentioning twice. The issue isn't so much typing vs handwritten, but to keep up with the content, you have to process and distill the information when handwriting the notes. Just letting a professor dictate their lecture into your OneNote via your keyboard doesn't activate enough parts of your brain to get you to actually think about and process the information, which is the important thing about retention.

And as a couple posters have mentioned themselves, diagrams are much easier to do via a stylus (or mouse). My own process for distilling information tends to be around a mix of comments on important pieces of information, and diagrams. And since I work with software, diagramming an architecture is super useful, as is being able to sketch simple prototypes of user experience, or describe the math of some underlying code in a more concrete way (showing how the math correlates with the UI).

There's a bit of irony here too, since when I was in college, I would have voted for typing myself, since it was easier and faster. I would have ignored the fact that it made it more difficult to revisit something a year later which I do more frequently these days in my job.
 
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Interesting... they just made the 9.7" Smart Keyboard part of the 20% offer. This ends up being a pretty good deal if you're buying into the "iPad Pro" ecosystem.
Just FYI...I ordered the Smart Keyboard on Saturday from AT&T and it shipped yesterday...scheduled to get it tomorrow! Same thing with the Pencil except I'll get it Thursday. They actually have the Keyboard in stock and its shipping fast! If you're in the market, great way to get it quick and at a 20% discount.
 
On a side note, when I returned mine to Best Buy the girl just opened the box and pressed the home button and saw that it turned on and and closed the box. What was to stop me from just putting my Air 2 in there and essentially get a free Pro?
 
On a side note, when I returned mine to Best Buy the girl just opened the box and pressed the home button and saw that it turned on and and closed the box. What was to stop me from just putting my Air 2 in there and essentially get a free Pro?
You lucked out in this instance. Normally the customer service reps have to match the serial number on the back of the ipad to the one on the box. If not, you risk being questioned and maybe having the police called on you that very moment. I saw it happen many times while I worked there back in 2005.
 
On a side note, when I returned mine to Best Buy the girl just opened the box and pressed the home button and saw that it turned on and and closed the box. What was to stop me from just putting my Air 2 in there and essentially get a free Pro?

So what are you saying...you want a do-over? /sheesh/

And yes...generally they match the serial number of the iPad and box before they process the refund.
 
The 9.7 would be a great tablet for $499. It doesn't really make sense at $599. Just too expensive for a content consumption device. The design is kind of dated too and is due for an overhaul.

design is definitely dated, but that's because there are millions of iPad Air 2 cases sitting in a warehouse that Apple wants to get rid off

same thing they did with the iPhone 5SE
 
design is definitely dated, but that's because there are millions of iPad Air 2 cases sitting in a warehouse that Apple wants to get rid off

same thing they did with the iPhone 5SE

Except the Air 2 cases don't work for the Pro.
 
I suppose I downgraded from a Late 2013 13" rMBP to iPP 9.7 but I honestly couldn't have happier. I don't feel limited at all, in fact I use it more because it can come with me anywhere very easily.
 
For me, it would add just enough screen space that I could comfortable read PDFs on it. I'm not an artist and I don't need a massive 12.9" display for PDFs, but 9.7" is unusably small without constantly zooming and panning.
Not really. Aspect ratio of the iPad is pretty perfect for A4. For letter-sized PDF you need more horizontal space than vertical (when viewing in portrait).
 
I'm considering returning. I watch a ton of video and the pro is way nicer for that than the air2. But it's hard to justify. I feel like maybe I could justify the pro better if I get the bigger one. The smaller one true tone isn't good for photo editing and movie transfers from my camera are really slow - I also use the iPad at home mostly - so ...

One thing about spending over a grand on a tablet - it's hard to justify with this limited mobile OS .. IF they had a better OS designed for the iPad - I'd probably be able to consider I was just buying a computer with a different OS - but as it sits - I'm buying a very limited device that has a ton of power but can't really compete with a proper computer .. And frankly I have to wonder if Lightroom and photoshop on a MacBook wouldn't be just about as fast as using the iPad. I think the pro is probably faster spec wise, but the fact I can't do real multitasking or use a real file system and have to wade through a pile of poorly designed interface to deal with files and multiple apps - well that's just very off putting.

At the end of the day I have to consider that maybe I should slap some headphones on and call it a day -

On the other hand the air is going for $430 on eBay, the air 2 - so if I skip the accessories except the pencil then the price isn't that bad - despite the fact you could get two air 2 for the money of one pro and a pencil... Gah.
 
i'm waiting for apple to figure out how to get rid of the button with force touch. that'll be the future of ipad/phones.
 
One thing about spending over a grand on a tablet - it's hard to justify with this limited mobile OS ..
I guess that's the difference for me. I typically buy highest capacity LTE so I'm used to my iPads costing close to a grand (sometimes more with sales tax). My iPad 4 128GB LTE was I believe ~$1,150 with Apple Care+ and CA sales tax and fees. Another thing, the Smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil are optional accessories (albeit ones manufactured by Apple). I've spent $50 a piece on styluses (stylii?) that didn't work as well as the Apple Pencil. There were also $100-150 bluetooth keyboard cases for iPads even prior to the iPad Pro's release.

If I'm buying an iPad, it's because I want a tablet, not a laptop. Doesn't really matter if I can get a MacBook for the same price (incidentally, I prefer Windows and I already have decent laptops and custom-built desktops). I won't be able to use the MacBook (or at least not as easily) for the situations/tasks I use the iPad for.
 
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