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iPad Pro - Buyer's Remorse Anyone?

supervelous said:
Agreed, they are slowly moving away from what Steve Jobs did to make this company so successful. He never would have had 4 iPad models in 3 different sizes and 3 iPhones in 3 sizes sold at the same time in my opinion. IIRC Steve Jobs, when he came back to Apple, focused on simplifying the product line and the products they did, they did very well and were "magical". It's hard to sell magical and amazing when there are 3 or 4 versions of the same core product.

They're trying to appease Wall Street in my opinion, chasing new segments such as PC users with the IPP. Stock price is something I don't think was forefront in Steve's mind. He figured just make magical products and the rest would take care of itself.

I think us hardcore users like the choice, but it's confusing to the average consumer.
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Another one who thinks he/she knows what Steve Jobs would have done/said/wanted.
 
Ghost31 said:
It's like speaking on behalf of Jesus at a sermon. "This is what he would have done? How do I know? I don't know"
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The tech and the people who use it are very different than they were in 2011. I'm not stating this as fact, but I have the BELIEF that the iPad was the computer Steve Jobs was working toward since the 70s. He would have continued standing behind the product and performing similar shakeups to the line to adjust to the marketplace.

People keep citing the "complicated" lineup and comparing it to the year Jobs came back to Apple, but the current lineup of devices is NOTHING like that situation. Back then, when he returned they had a zillion different models of Mac all with different model numbers, some being sold exclusively in certain retailers, some not. And then they had a whole slew of other products that just weren't selling at all.

Some of the armchair business analysts here need to get a grip. Apple would have been out of business years ago if it followed the advice given in the Macrumors forum.
 
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spiderman0616 said:
The tech and the people who use it are very different than they were in 2011. I'm not stating this as fact, but I have the BELIEF that the iPad was the computer Steve Jobs was working toward since the 70s. He would have continued standing behind the product and performing similar shakeups to the line to adjust to the marketplace.

People keep citing the "complicated" lineup and comparing it to the year Jobs came back to Apple, but the current lineup of devices is NOTHING like that situation. Back then, when he returned they had a zillion different models of Mac all with different model numbers, some being sold exclusively in certain retailers, some not. And then they had a whole slew of other products that just weren't selling at all.

Some of the armchair business analysts here need to get a grip. Apple would have been out of business years ago if it followed the advice given in the Macrumors forum.
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And you also have to remember Steve told Tim to not do "What Steve would have done". Because even Steve knew that times change and hell...he knew he could be wrong about things and doesn't need Tim second guessing himself all the time on everything.

Like I said in an earlier post, I don't think the product lines are confusing anyway. You either get a new iPad and that's either the mini or the pro in 2 sizes. Or you get an older discounted iPad in varying sizes. Two categories right there. Confusing? Hardly. Maybe if you just crawled out from under a rock.

When Steve came back its true that he did have to focus the product lines, but if you remember...Apple was nuts back then. They made printers and cameras and all kinds of stuff that they weren't even that great at. To compare that with a few sizes of iPads, a product that sells into the hundreds of millions, isn't really fair
 
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Ghost31 said:
And you also have to remember Steve told Tim to not do "What Steve would have done". Because even Steve knew that times change and hell...he knew he could be wrong about things and doesn't need Tim second guessing himself all the time on everything.

Like I said in an earlier post, I don't think the product lines are confusing anyway. You either get a new iPad and that's either the mini or the pro in 2 sizes. Or you get an older discounted iPad in varying sizes. Two categories right there. Confusing? Hardly. Maybe if you just crawled out from under a rock.

When Steve came back its true that he did have to focus the product lines, but if you remember...Apple was nuts back then. They made printers and cameras and all kinds of stuff that they weren't even that great at. To compare that with a few sizes of iPads, a product that sells into the hundreds of millions, isn't really fair
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The Apple of that time was like Sony nowadays.
 
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Just got my midnight blue cover with Gold Ipad Pro, very nice.
MM2C2_AV1_GOLD
 
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urkel said:
I guess I'm having some Pre-Buyers Remorse because I can't figure out something.

Is the iPad Pro 9.7 a "Tick" or a "Tock" release?

With iPhones it's easy. New design is a full step while S is a half-step. But with this iPad its confusing. New accessory support, improved camera and A9X indicate a big step. But old design, 2GB, USB2 and TouchID1 seem to indicate a small step with a much larger release coming up.

I sold my Pro12.9 with full intent on getting a Pro9.7. But in the transition I "borrowed" my wife's Air2 and I'm finding its so similar to the Pro9.7 that I don't know if it's big enough of an upgrade to invest $1000 into.
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It's neither tick or tock.

Judge the pro 9.7" on what it is. Plain and simple.
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supervelous said:
Agreed, they are slowly moving away from what Steve Jobs did to make this company so successful. He never would have had 4 iPad models in 3 different sizes and 3 iPhones in 3 sizes sold at the same time in my opinion. IIRC Steve Jobs, when he came back to Apple, focused on simplifying the product line and the products they did, they did very well and were "magical". It's hard to sell magical and amazing when there are 3 or 4 versions of the same core product.

They're trying to appease Wall Street in my opinion, chasing new segments such as PC users with the IPP. Stock price is something I don't think was forefront in Steve's mind. He figured just make magical products and the rest would take care of itself.

I think us hardcore users like the choice, but it's confusing to the average consumer.
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Are you serious...we're going to take someone who died (influential and pioneering that he was) and superimpose that onto Apple's moves now?

What's next...we're going to hold a seance?
 
bufffilm said:
It's neither tick or tock.

Judge the pro 9.7" on what it is. Plain and simple.
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Okay. So it's an incremental update to the iPad Air that has a series of deficiencies that make it inacurately marketed as an iPad Pro purely because it's most prominent feature is compatibility with proprietary accessories that may or may not be useful. Got it. Plain and simple.

Note: Apologies for the snark, but the reason for my attitude is because mother called saying she wants a new iPad because hers is full. I sent her to Apple.com and spent 30minutes explaining why two models were given the same name but differing specs, why the Air and Pro9.7 looked exactly alike but were different, and why to NOT get the iPad Mini 2 because it is the exact same thing as her iPad Mini with Retina Display.

I'm not saying these things can't be figured out, I'm just saying that things were much easier 3 years ago when you said "Air or Mini" and the average consumer got exactly what the label said.

(BTW, The happy ending with this story is that mom gave up and told me to decide. So I'm selling her our Air2 and now can easily justify the Pro9.7. Win/Win) 🙂
 
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urkel said:
Okay. So it's an incremental update to the iPad Air that has a series of deficiencies that make it inacurately marketed as an iPad Pro purely because it's most prominent feature is compatibility with proprietary accessories that may or may not be useful. Got it. Plain and simple.

Note: Apologies for the snark, but the reason for my attitude is because mother called saying she wants a new iPad because hers is full. I sent her to Apple.com and spent 30minutes explaining why two models were given the same name but differing specs, why the Air and Pro9.7 looked exactly alike but were different, and why to NOT get the iPad Mini 2 because it is the exact same thing as her iPad Mini with Retina Display.

I'm not saying these things can't be figured out, I'm just saying that things were much easier 3 years ago when you said "Air or Mini" and the average consumer got exactly what the label said.

(BTW, The happy ending with this story is that mom gave up and told me to decide. So I'm selling her our Air2 and now can easily justify the Pro9.7. Win/Win) 🙂
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No argument from me on either the Air2 choice for her or that the Pro 9.7 is an incremental upgrade.

Wasn't that easy? /grin/
 
Per the original topic ...

My first iPad was the iPad 2. I loved that thing. No buyers remorse.

My second iPad was an iPad Mini (original). It was OK... no remorse (probably because it was company provided), but wasn't overly impressed. It sat on a shelf most of the time.

I went a couple of years without an iPad.

Fast Forward to the present... my third iPad was the 12.9" Pro. I liked it, but it didn't feel right, I spent more time trying to justify the things I didn't care too much for. It had uneven coloring on the screen (one side warmer than the other) ... was going to exchange it but the other two I looked at had the same problem, so I did my best to convince myself this was normal. I was also having some troubles getting used to the size. I didn't buy it to replace my laptop because it can't with my workflow (developer). So perhaps a little bit of buyers remorse that I was internally trying to justify away.

The iPad Pro 9.7 came out and I immediately wanted it. Luckily, Best Buy took my 12.9" back with no questions (love that "Elite Plus" thing) and I picked up a 9.7. No remorse, very happy, it's the perfect device for my workflow and my computing arsenal now feels complete (for now!)
 
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No remorse. So far I'm loving this thing. Love drawing with the Pencil. Loving the Smart Keyboard--typing on it now. And While a little pricey, I'm happy with it.
 
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I sold my iPad 2 32gb for $ 180 and now I have no iPad.

My options are get an Air 2 64GB (WiFi only) refurbished by USD 419 plus tax or an IPP 32gb WiFi for USD 599 plus tax.

But I live in Brazil and if I buy more than 500 dollars in electronic devices I have to pay fees equivalent to 50% of which exceed 500 when I return to my country.

In short:
- Air 2 64gb = 419 x 1.07 (FL sales tax) = 449;
- IPP 32gb = 599 x 1.07 = 641 + 71 (tax Brazil) = 712 USD.

Apple pencil has no use for me. It is worth 263 dollars more to bring the iPP instead of Air 2?
 
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andresotnas said:
I sold my iPad 2 32gb for $ 180 and now I have no iPad.

My options are get an Air 2 64GB (WiFi only) refurbished by USD 419 plus tax or an IPP 32gb WiFi for USD 599 plus tax.

But I live in Brazil and if I buy more than 500 dollars in electronic devices I have to pay fees equivalent to 50% of which exceed 500 when I return tô my country.

In short:
- Air 2 64gb = 419 x 1.07 (FL sales tax) = 449;
- IPP 32gb = 599 x 1.07 = 641 + 71 (tax Brazil) = 712 USD.

Apple pencil has no use for me. It is worth 263 dollars more to bring the iPP instead of Air 2?
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NO. If you don't care about the pencil, there isn't much of a reason to choose a pro over an air 2. The pro is nice for people with extra money to spend, but I wouldn't consider it worth it for anybody that has to even think about whether they can afford it or not. Get an air 2 and enjoy the hell out of it
 
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I think the Pencil is the 'killer' feature of the new Pro, but I suppose the keyboard cover could be as well. A much as the price is kind of ridiculous, there really is no other keyboard out there that you can add on with so little bulk.

If you don't care for either of those features, then get an Air 2 for sure.
 
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No buyers remorse for me. I'm coming from an iPad Air (the first one). I am loving the speed, the keyboard and especially the Pencil. Prior to the Pencil, I tried a number of styli as I really wanted to be able to use an app for note taking. However, with the Pencil and Notability, I a happy camper. Expensive purchase but worth it for me.
 
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