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iPad Pro Features Improved Storage Controller for Desktop-Class Performance

Biggest problem with iPad Pro - base model being 32GB. Second problem is the only port being a lightning port, they should have stuck USB-C on there.

The main issue with iOS as a "Pro" device is that getting data on/off of it requires wireless. Wireless AC is great and all, but say I have a ton of video files to edit on an external SSD...no way to do that with the iPad Pro. And with max 128GB storage that means that every new project means erasing and copying nearly the entire disk space.

I think for now iPad Pro is best suited for illustrators, but even still you don't have Sketch or Illustrator on there so it is still limited in that regard.

I think that iOS can be the future of computing, but apple is taking a very slow bottom up approach to change how people interact with computers, and unfortunately that means they will only be useful for light tasks like email/docs/web for the time being.
 
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Phil A. said:
An iPad Pro that could run OS X would have been an insta-buy for me, but with iOS it's a non-starter (so I guess I'm not the target market :))
Some apps that I use daily that I can't run on iOS are:

Xcode
Photoshop
Lightroom
MySQL
SourceTree
Online dev tools such as C9.io (doesn't work with mobile safari)
Eclipse


As I said, I'm not the target audience for this device :)
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I agree with you up until I read Eclipse. That thing is a piece of trash!
 
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Starflyer said:
I have heard this quite a bit since the iPad Pro's introduction so I have two serious questions for everyone in the OS X on the iPad camp:

1. What would be the benefit of running Mac OS X?
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Being able to use superscript and subscript with apps other than Microsoft Word!!!!! That one saved the ipad for me, but it was long in the coming. I don't know why Apple blocks everybody except Microsoft from having decent text processing suitable for scientists in iOS, but that singlehandedly kills iOS devices as primary devices for me. O.k., I'll stop ranting before I talk myself into a rage again...
P.S.: Also, being forced to store files grouped by file type in each app, rather than by the project that they are part of does not help.
 
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I wondered when they'd get around to this. iOS devices use pretty slow flash (I thought) so improved SSD speed would be a big selling feature.
 
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Eidorian said:
I would really like to know what portable machines they are making the comparison too. I have an ARM based Chromebook so is it THAT model?

Storage is getting a lot better with updates to eMMC hitting speeds to SSDs on SATA II/3 Gbps speeds. Remember the old USB 2.0 days?
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Yeah, who knows. I'm too lazy to look into that claim. :)
 
jtrenda33 said:
Apple never said it was faster than 90% of portable PCs, Macrumors did.

Edit: Oh, right. I misread your comment.
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Andres Cantu said:
I'm pretty sure Apple mentioned that in their keynote.
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ArtOfWarfare said:
Apple said exactly this during their keynote. The GPU was 90%. The CPU was 80%.

Also, when I hear "portable PC", I assume that means laptops. What the hell is a laptop if not a portable PC, because it's definitely not a desktop.
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rdlink said:
Actually, they did. They said that the CPU was faster than 80% of portable PCs, and that the GPU was faster than 90% of portable PCs.
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Yeah, I misread that person's comment. My bad. I thought he was saying what Macrumors originally reported that they were 90% faster than all portable PCs. I see now how easy it was for MR to make that same mistake. If you read my earlier comment, you would have seen that I understood what Apple said. Sall good.
 
I think a lot of folks still judge price and value based on size. Because the iPad Pro is smaller than a 13" laptop believe it should be priced lower.

However because it is miniaturized and also high performance it should actually command a premium of 50-100%. Yet the iPad Pro is priced similarly to a 13" MacBook Air or even lower.

If you look at it logically it is a higher value device based on those factors. In addition it has access to LTE cellular, which the notebooks confusingly do not.

It could simply be a pricing decision, but that is not like Apple. They typically target a particular profit margin to fill the ecosystem with profits from which to perform R&D, capital improvements (human and physical and notional), supplier prepayments and channel fill costs from cash not credit.

I would say looking at it from the perspective of their own stated goals, this product is squarely fairly priced and packs surprisingly advanced technologies at the same time with chip speed, storage and graphics speeds, display quality, and form factor advancements. Then there are the software and ecosystem benefits and advancements. All very impressive once you have bought into the ecosystem to begin with.

It will be interesting to see if the Android to iOS tool even budges the needle on flippers.

Rocketman
 
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Keane16 said:
I still can't believe you can edit 3 4K streams together on this thing. My MacBook Pro from 2011 is feeling underpowered.
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Yup, and I've read that some "studio quality" commercials are filmed on the iPhone 5S and iPhone 6. Absolutely amazing what can be done.

Apple has basically killed the P&S camera and the average camcorder. With 4K rendering, they are going to kill a lot more.
 
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jtrenda33 said:
Apple never said it was faster than 90% of portable PCs, Macrumors did.
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Phil A. said:
An iPad Pro that could run OS X would have been an insta-buy for me, but with iOS it's a non-starter
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You mean if a magic fairy made it possible to control all features and functionality of OS X via touch input with the same ease touch input controls iOS? Of if there were a device that operated like a Mac (using OS X) when connected to a keyboard and mouse or trackpad but converted into iOS when you removed those?

The only example where the former has been pulled of is Photos on iOS which offers (almost) all features of Photos on OS X via a native touch UI. And that is an app where one doesn't really need to cursor (on the OS X side) except to select buttons and items. And even there, adding photos to an album which can be achieved on the OS X side with a simple drag and drop requires (1) a tap on the select button, (2) a tap on the image, (3) a tap on the 'Add to' button, and (4) a tap on the album.
 
lincolntran said:
I agree with you up until I read Eclipse. That thing is a piece of trash!
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I agree, but don't always get to choose what software I have to use ;)


manu chao said:
You mean if a magic fairy made it possible to control all features and functionality of OS X via touch input with the same ease touch input controls iOS? Of if there were a device that operated like a Mac (using OS X) when connected to a keyboard and mouse or trackpad but converted into iOS when you removed those?

The only example where the former has been pulled of is Photos on iOS which offers (almost) all features of Photos on OS X via a native touch UI. And that is an app where one doesn't really need to cursor (on the OS X side) except to select buttons and items. And even there, adding photos to an album which can be achieved on the OS X side with a simple drag and drop requires (1) a tap on the select button, (2) a tap on the image, (3) a tap on the 'Add to' button, and (4) a tap on the album.
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A device such as the one you describe would be absolutely amazing and would 100% be something I would buy :)
 
pgiguere1 said:
Still hard to swallow the price tag IMO.

We've come to expect that bigger versions of iOS devices (e.g. iPhone Plus vs iPhone, iPad Air vs iPad mini) usually cost $100 more. And those even have a couple pros other than size over their smaller sibling too (iPhone Plus has OIS and longer battery life, iPad Air has more accurate colors, was thinner and faster until recently).

Now this is $300 more, and the biggest feature besides the larger screen is an active digitizer which can only be used if you buy the $100 Pencil, bringing it to a $400 premium over the iPad Air. Other than that, stuff like the A9X and other incremental hardware updates would have been expected on the $500 iPad Air 3, had it been released this fall as usual instead of the Pro.

Having a bigger iPad is worth an extra $100 IMO. The active stylus + digitizer is worth another $100. I think $69 would have been a reasonable price for the Smart Keyboard (same price as the Bluetooth Apple keyboard). That would have brought the total price to $768. In reality it's $1067, and that's completely nuts. It's a shame because the hardware itself is pretty attractive.
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QFT all of this.

As time passes, Apple begins to show a new face and that face I don't like.
(cue the whiners who whine about me whining... Yes I'm speaking with my wallet, too, don't worry. As a customer who spent a lot on Apple products I think it's fair to publicly discuss why their new strategies disgust me)

Glassed Silver:mac
 
You want a big iPad (with native stylus support) then this is your machine....nice to see them dump 16GB as the base and move things to 32GB (they'll need to up that again once iTunes starts serving native 4k media) - hopefully that happens with iPhone 7 as well. It's odd they didn't have a 64GB version.

Will be looking to replace an iPad 2 next year before it runs out of security updates (iOS 10?) and may try this (would love the extra screen space, but have to try it out at the store first). Would not be surprised to see it have a lifespan similar to the Macbook Pro 17...but maybe it'll surprise us and sell well enough to be sustained. Kiosk providers and business applications using the current iPad Air might be big buyers to get the extra screen real-estate.
 
Starflyer said:
1. What would be the benefit of running Mac OS X?
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Whereas keyboard shortcuts are normally included in OS X applications, they're rarely included in iOS applications.

If one of the major selling points of the iPad Pro is a keyboard, shouldn't it have applications with keyboard shortcuts?
 
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lincolntran said:
I think their main complain is about the age old file system, but that's the ancient way of doing things. It's understandable because people are used to it since the first OS was built. Other things are just minors.
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Starflyer said:
I have heard this quite a bit since the iPad Pro's introduction so I have two serious questions for everyone in the OS X on the iPad camp:

1. What would be the benefit of running Mac OS X?

2. What apps would you like to run that there isn't already an optimized iOS equivalent available?
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The need for a file system is to be able to open/edit files with any app that can read those files. For example, I would love to be able to open and edit files in Photoshop and Lightroom. And I'm talking about the full on versions of both those apps. Or use the Macphun suite of tools. In either case I would need a file system of some kind to find and open said files.

The need for a file system is of course desired by pro users and obviously(or so it seems) Apple has no intention of catering to the pro user. I can go on a long rant here but I'll just leave it at that.

There are other examples but for now these will do.
 
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The iPad Pro is nearly double the display size of the iPad Air so with a price tag about 50% more it's a decent value. It's a tablet designed for producing rather than just consuming content.
 
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With the release of the MACBOOK that runs OSX ONLY me i was sure since then that if apple will release an iPAD PRO will have iOS for sure?? wtf whats the point of macbook IF they intended to release an iPAD PRO with OSX?
from multitouch stand point OSX would have been a disaster, trust me, they had to focus for OSX to be for mac and for touch input...so double the effort and i dont think apple can and have the brain to deliver both segments perfectly. Even so they have bugs and some UI lag sometimes etc.
iPAD Pro is just the beginning..with iOS9 multitask in mind and the accessories but this is APPLE and we know they give us little features this year and little next year for the same device. So i am sure that with iOS10 you will have features like multi users accounts, and almost all the pro apps from OSX to iOS10 as well etc
 
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