iPad Pro Features Improved Storage Controller for Desktop-Class Performance

[Rocketman]

Until Apple put couple usb-c ports and external monitors and storage could be used with iPad you couldn't compare it to laptop.

All iPads have a lightning port for data transfer as well as Bluetooth and Wifi. No wires needed. I think you are actually complaining about not having access to the file system but don't know it.

The iPad Pro adds a special new data and power port with a protocol not specified, but might even include Thunderbolt for all we know, at this point.

My iPhone does Airplay to my big screen. That's an external monitor and sound system,

Rocketman

 

[Dranix]

Really strange all this negativity here - I can't wait to get one. Finally big enough for most PDFs and great for drawing/painting. Will be be a perfects helper for game mastering pen&paper sessions, too.

 

[firewood]

How about terminal for a start and system activity finder disk utility. Listen if you cant get root access on your device without jailbreaking whats the point of owning a unix machine.

Needing root access reminds me of the people who didn't see the point of a PC where there weren't front panel switches and LEDs to get access to the system bus. Or lots of slots for IO and sound cards. Pros just can't live without those.

But I'm a throwback, so I do ssh from my iPad into some linux servers using a terminal app when I need a lot more than 2 or 3 cores.

 

[GaresTaylan]

I hate how they put one tech in one device, but not the other. Only when it comes to pricing they just increase it by 100 or more every step.

Have to agree. If they would have added 3D touch to this I would likely be more interested.

 

[erd_]

Hi this is actually my first post.I am fallowing macrumors news for quite a some time though.

I think most people are angry because the "pro" branding and no pro features.This people have their workflow non-apple products to make their work a lot easier and their own equipments which can be years old.Pro market doesnt change as fast as consumer market.Think about a photographer. he or she most probably have a pro camera which only a handfull of them have wifi sync capability.They NEED full versions of photoshop or lightroom.If they need to take a bunch of adapters with another COMPUTER to finish their work what this iPad do for their workflow than smaller ones?

Or think programmers like myself.We are already get used to packing a macbook pro and lots of iDevices.This iPad doesn't change anything in my workflow.I really understand this filesystem stuff.Look at what happened this year OSX el capitan betas.For a time xcode6 didnt run easily.But we can run it by going in its contents and directly running the binary.And think about countless java applications that we need to go in their plists and change java versions to run.I understand when people say this betas are not for the work machine but some of us doesnt have 2 or 3 mac's in hand. I use a lot of small apps or scripts to make my flow easier that doesnt have any similiar options on the appStore. Some of them wasnt even written for os x and works flawlessly because of UNIX foundations under it.Again this is not possible for iOS or the iPad yes we can write apps to do what this scripts do.But without a file system or terminal we should make an okay ui and write some code that we otherwise would not need to write, to get access into either icloud or somewhere in device to get the files we want to work on. And i am not even sure you can get a file on device and not in your apps bundle with easy old couple of lines code.And there is no options for serius coding in iOS.No xcode no full java ide's we cannot connect our devices to it for debuging on device.

I think this problems can be solved in a year or two but before them are adressed there is no ipad pro for me.And i think people are angry because they want a ipad pro now.Like they want a retina macbook that can do what they want right now.

 

[Gasu E.]

Still hard to swallow the price tag IMO.

We've come to expect that bigger versions of iOS devices (e.g. iPhone Plus vs iPhone, iPad Air vs iPad mini) usually cost $100 more. And those even have a couple pros other than size over their smaller sibling too (iPhone Plus has OIS and longer battery life, iPad Air has more accurate colors, was thinner and faster until recently).

Now this is $300 more, and the biggest feature besides the larger screen is an active digitizer which can only be used if you buy the $100 Pencil, bringing it to a $400 premium over the iPad Air. Other than that, stuff like the A9X and other incremental hardware updates would have been expected on the $500 iPad Air 3, had it been released this fall as usual instead of the Pro.

Having a bigger iPad is worth an extra $100 IMO. The active stylus + digitizer is worth another $100. I think $69 would have been a reasonable price for the Smart Keyboard (same price as the Bluetooth Apple keyboard). That would have brought the total price to $768. In reality it's $1067, and that's completely nuts. It's a shame because the hardware itself is pretty attractive.

No, if you are talking about relative price, the Pro is fairly priced. You are really underselling how HUGE the Pro is. The Air 2 has 24% more screen real estate than the Mini 4 (and the same number of pixels), and is priced 25% more. The Pro has a whopping 78% more real estate/pixels than the Air 2, and is only priced 60% more. The Pro has twice the memory (which is worth $50 per Apple pricing), so if you take that out the price is only 50% more. A $100 Pro uptick over the Air 2 would give a much smaller device with less memory.

The "Having a bigger iPad is worth an extra $100 IMO" position is arbitrary, ignoring any variation for how much bigger it is. Would you assert a 40" iPad (!) should also be only $100 more than an Air?

 

[gagaliya]

So everything about this iPad is Pro - except the OS .... This one should run MacOS

at least the browser should be the desktop version, where when you goto a website it wont show you the watered down mobile site but instead the full blown desktop version of the website along with the expected performance for using the website.

also when you flip between browser tabs, the webpage should NOT reload on its own due to lack of memory like on the regular ipad.

Does anyone know if this is the case for the ipad pro or does it still use the same ipad mobile browser? which will be a complete fail.

 

[LukasValine]

Sorry to say it, but as thing currently stand the iPad pro is a ridiculously overpriced consumer device. In order for it to even start being useful for creating content it needs these things:

1. Xcode
2. Terminal
3. Photoshop CC (with features equivalent to the desktop version)
4. Illustator
5. Autodesk Maya
6. Mudbox
7. An actual file browser with root access
8. Git
9. Non sand-boxed applications
10. Open source software and a community of developers building stuff
11. Open source alternatives to Adobe software for people who don't like paying monthly fees to stupid greedy companies
12. A python interpreter
13. CAD
14. Open source C compiler
15. Open office
16. Blender
17. Eclipse
18. Virtual machines
19. Apache web server
20. Nginx for cool people
21. A mail server
22. DNS server
23. Ftp server
24. Vpn server
25. A terminal multiplexer
26. Ssh server
27. Ssh client
28. Minecraft server
29. And a freakin plain text editor

When it has these things I'll buy one.

Oh yeah. And I want to be able to partition the hard drive and dual boot Debian.

 

[ghost187]

I'm just gonna go out on limb and say this will score 10,000+ on geekbench (with a more than likely quad core processor).

For reference Surface Pro 3 gets about 5300 with a core i7.

As we all know benchmarks don't account for OS efficiency, so with iOS, iPad Pro should really deliver pro level performance. On stage, they mentioned editing three 4K clips simultaneously, so this iPad is truly a Professional level computer.

 

[firewood]

I think most people are angry because the "pro" branding and no pro features.

Feature: As good or better than a pro wacom tablet for illustration and photo editing with a pen for about the same price as the wacom.

Like they want a retina macbook that can do what they want right now.

Then they should buy a retina MacBook. The idea of different products is to cover different needs. Not to duplicate the same thing under a bunch of different product names like HP and Dell.

Or buy both. Markup and pencil edit on the tablet iPad, batch process on your render farm of Mac Pros and/or linux servers, then preview results on the hires iPad display, perhaps remotely.

Don't forget this product.

 

[Dranix]

12. A python interpreter

I don't agree on most of your points but thsi got my eye: Ever checked out the great Pythonista? http://omz-software.com/pythonista/

 

[radus]

to late and to small - will keep my i7 surface pro 3 or buy the surface pro 4 if it is better, hope there will be in the future such a device with macos x
but for now I am happy with windows 10

 

[bronksy]

I'm just gonna go out on limb and say this will score 10,000+ on geekbench (with a more than likely quad core processor).

For reference Surface Pro 3 gets about 5300 with a core i7.

As we all know benchmarks don't account for OS efficiency, so with iOS, iPad Pro should really deliver pro level performance. On stage, they mentioned editing three 4K clips simultaneously, so this iPad is truly a Professional level computer.

Again. I hear this 4k line bounded about.
And please tell me how one is meant to edit the 3x 4k streams if there is no footage to edit because it can't be imported.

 

[Dranix]

Even if it was already pointed out multiple times: Lightning & WIFI.

 

[bronksy]

Even if it was already pointed out multiple times: Lightning & WIFI.

4k video on wifi. Have you any idea how long that would take - but more to the point where is the 4k source and how would it be on wifi.

Lightning? Seriously? Raw files can't be read by iOS at a system level so how is this going to be helpful for photographers.

Do you have any idea how big these files are?

The only logical way of working with 4k is using proxy files and once you've done the edit it can pull in or export to FCPX the relevant xml data for the edit. Same sort of think with photos. Edit using lower res previews and sync back.

Or let us plug a damn drive in and work off that. However we would still need an adapter or three to get the assets into the iPad. Forget wifi.

 

[bronksy]

Just want to point something out here.

Using the go pro hero 4 as a basic 4k camera that's quite commonly owned by pro and none pro folks, let's assume we have recorded a bunch of stuff and want to edit on the iPad pro.

Let's also assume the iPad is totally empty and we have the full 128gb to play with. Yes this is unlikely but just lets pretend.

With a full 128GB of storage you'd get 266 minutes of 4k footage at 30fps. Now divide this by 3 and we are left with around 88mins of footage per stream.
This isn't really a lot of footage.
Take away actual storage and you're probably looking at less than an hour per stream. This isn't really pro level territory.

I'd imagine though it's perfect for the go pro brigade. Not for pro. Filmmakers.

 

[Dranix]

4k video on wifi. Have you any idea how long that would take - but more to the point where is the 4k source and how would it be on wifi.

Lightning? Seriously? Raw files can't be read by iOS at a system level so how is this going to be helpful for photographers.

Do you have any idea how big these files are?

The only logical way of working with 4k is using proxy files and once you've done the edit it can pull in or export to FCPX the relevant xml data for the edit. Same sort of think with photos. Edit using lower res previews and sync back.

Or let us plug a damn drive in and work off that. However we would still need an adapter or three to get the assets into the iPad. Forget wifi.

Yes WIFI - What do you smoke to call 866mbit slow?

But I guess you are only trolling after all. Well here's the fish <;-((((<

 

[bronksy]

Yes WIFI - What do you smoke to call 866mbit slow?

But I guess you are only trolling after all. Well here's the fish <;-((((<

Where are you sending this magical footage from? I own 3 pro cameras and none have wifi.

One is brand new. It's not 4k but it's a cinema camera. There is no wifi.

The theoretical speed of a wifi transfer is irrelevant if there's nothing able to connect to it.

I'm not trolling I'm pointing out that as a working professional in film and photography the iPad has a real problem with getting footage into it.

Tonight I wanted to transfer my demo reel to my iPhone. 200MB file. iTunes file transfer? AirDrop? I ended up uploading it to my iCloud Drive and storing it in the goodreader app. Genius.

Believe me I want a new iPad this year and the pro is so almost there but there are a few small bit missing still that actual professionals need.

 

[Freyqq]

And faster CPU than 80% of portable PCs.

So, faster than a low-end ultrabook?

 

[magbarn]

Yes WIFI - What do you smoke to call 866mbit slow?

But I guess you are only trolling after all. Well here's the fish <;-((((<

I guess someone hasn't tried transferring multi-gb files over wireless AC. It sucks. Unless your laptop/ipad is right next to the router the true speed is much slower than 866mbit. Besides t-bolt and USB 3.0 destroy that speed anyway. If you've ever worked with 4K files, they're usually 8+ gb for 15+ min clips.

 

[pat500000]

Still hard to swallow the price tag IMO.

We've come to expect that bigger versions of iOS devices (e.g. iPhone Plus vs iPhone, iPad Air vs iPad mini) usually cost $100 more. And those even have a couple pros other than size over their smaller sibling too (iPhone Plus has OIS and longer battery life, iPad Air has more accurate colors, was thinner and faster until recently).

Now this is $300 more, and the biggest feature besides the larger screen is an active digitizer which can only be used if you buy the $100 Pencil, bringing it to a $400 premium over the iPad Air. Other than that, stuff like the A9X and other incremental hardware updates would have been expected on the $500 iPad Air 3, had it been released this fall as usual instead of the Pro.

Having a bigger iPad is worth an extra $100 IMO. The active stylus + digitizer is worth another $100. I think $69 would have been a reasonable price for the Smart Keyboard (same price as the Bluetooth Apple keyboard). That would have brought the total price to $768. In reality it's $1067, and that's completely nuts. It's a shame because the hardware itself is pretty attractive.

so are you planning to get it?

 

[Dranix]

I guess someone hasn't tried transferring multi-gb files over wireless AC. It sucks. Unless your laptop/ipad is right next to the router the true speed is much slower than 866mbit. Besides t-bolt and USB 3.0 destroy that speed anyway. If you've ever worked with 4K files, they're usually 8+ gb for 15+ min clips.

People these days are so spoiled. 8GB is just 4-5 min over the old usb2... Or the beginning of digital video - dv needex a realtime transfer

 

[pat500000]

What pro users are those?

Even in the demo of the Adobe software that image of the woman with the non smile was imported from camera roll. Now how did that image get there? Also, what sort of resolution was that photo. No designer will want a document that's using a compressed image within it.

At the moment the only pro thing about it is the word 'pro' on the box.

PRO= as in better performance AND those who got money! Those with money are now considered PRO.

 

[ghost187]

Again. I hear this 4k line bounded about.
And please tell me how one is meant to edit the 3x 4k streams if there is no footage to edit because it can't be imported.

Are you seriously claiming that video files cannot be imported into an iPad?

1.) You can import them directly from the camera using Apple's camera kit.

2.) You can use iTunes.

3.) You can use air drop.

4.) You can go old school and email it to yourself.

These are just to name a few, there are many apps and services out there that do this.

iOS is not as locked down as many people think. It's quite open actually, and there isn't many things that it can't do.

 

[iapplelove]

Won't get one until Apple puts 3D Touch on it

It's probably not needed as much and harder to achieve with the size,but everyone knows it will be in next years iPad Pro 2 lol