Ha you mean ones that have made money for 50+ years? Interesting hipster point of view.
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iPad Pro First Impressions: Surprisingly Light, But Screen Size May Be Unnecessary for Most
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You're backtracking fella, in your reply you said start ups, in your original post which I quoted you said most companies.. Any links to any of this, or just usual propaganda BS
I think you misunderstand the approach Apple is taking. Apple's closest equivalent to the thin portable Surface Pro is the full OS MacBook Air. The iPad line is considered as the thinnest and more mobile line. Microsoft has decided to take those 2 avenues and created the Surface Pro. Both approaches are valid.
Obviously the iPad hits the market for 90% of computing duties, while the Surface Pro hits at a full OS market. It's really Apples and Oranges. Both have their buyers. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
The iPad Pro will prove to be a useful companion, and a pro level tool, for the Apple line of products. The pairing of the Apple Pencil and the iPad Pro will offer precise pixel level control that apps will leverage to compliment the desktop through the Astropad app and also in standalone apps on the iPad that will, in many cases, match a full OS experience.
It's not a this or that question. Both the Microsoft Surface Pro and the iPad Pro will be successful in their own markets.
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Highly doubt it.
It will probably be just as restricted and incompatible as all other Apple products in general.
Also adding a pro to the name doesn't make it any more professional. The professionality comes from the user and not the product.
Yawn.
Isn't there an iCloud Drive app in iOS 9? And wouldn't extensions allow you to access data in one app from another? I'm waiting for someone to innovate the death of the file system.
I agree with everything in your post except the one small point bolded above - - Apple's closest equivalent to the thin portable 12" Surface Pro 3 is the full OS 12" Retina MacBook.
(There is one significant difference between the two - - the Retina MacBook weighs only 2.03 lbs, while the Surface Pro 3 weighs almost 20% more at 2.41 lbs.)
The file system will always exist in some form. What I am curious to know is does the iCloud Drive app cache content locally allowing local apps to be able to share files with no need for internet connectivity.
No doubting that either.
But the question becomes, are people willing to go the Windows route, get a 1mm thicker device, that has a full OS, laptop class CPU/GPU.
Really theres pro's and cons to either. objectively here. nothing that could be rated as subjective.
Surface:
Pros:
x86 based CPU
Full Desktop OS
Cons:
About 1.5mm thicker
Pen doesn't have angle detection
iPad Pro
Pro:
thinnest and lightest
best battery.
Con:
iOS (limitations we've all discussed)
Pen(cil) has no buttons
I think in the end it comes down to. Do you want convergence (1 device for everything), or you are looking for a companion device.
The MacBook itself is in a curious position due to it's CPU choice.
if you're comparing the performance, the MacBook air and the Surface Pro line uses nearly identical CPUs
The Surface 3 (NOT PRO) is closer to the MacBook in CPU. However, the Macbook uses the more expensive and better performing Core M v the newest quadcore Atom. Though, I haven't done any benchmarks myself to see just how close (or far) they are. I believe they're somewhat close in performance (around 10% more power for the Core M), and the core M is the best for power / heat. It just, costs about $900 for the CPU package v $100 for the Atom
I'm amazed though how many are clinging to mouse, keyboard and file system while at the same time being depressed we're not seeing more innovation in the tech space. I was impressed with the Adobe demo at Apple's event. No mouse, no keyboard and no exposed file system that I could see. Hopefully Apple is working on drag and drop for split view.
I have different needs than you do
. I can't build apps on a tablet, and wouldn't want to even if it were possible. You say that the devices are "crippled," but I think of them as being specialized/optimized for the tasks they're best suited for. Most people won't need the capabilities I do and can get by with just an iPad Pro and a phone. Everyone is different, and that's fine with me. I'm glad Apple offers lots of options. I'm glad you have a 10" tablet solution that works well for you. I'm also glad Apple doesn't try to do everything in one device and ends up making a frankenstein monstrosity that does them all badly.Chiming in here about the "pro" usage comments, and I get that perspective. Here's my short take for "pro" usage from a different perspective:
With the cellular connection, which I use - my iPad Air is a portable thin client I can use to access my Exchange Server (via VPN or Parallels Access), my Azure or Amazon Cloud spaces where I run virtual machines, or my own servers to check on my company's work. Email is a tool I rarely use. I'm looking forward to demoing AutoCAD 360 - the short on-stage demo really opened my mind up. I bring my Air with me more often than my rMBP, but I'm not processing graphics/images. Both of my attorneys - principals in their firms - use iPads in meetings for notes and communications.
I see an iPad Pro - with a cellular connection - as a tool to leverage resources. My VZW LTE connection is often faster than the DSL available at my remote locations, and it's always secure; I'm fortunate to have multiple unlimited data plans available, but I've planned ahead.
I do use Astropad, but lightly. I also use a Wacom Intuos Pro, which is my go-to peripheral. I don't know whether an iPad Pro will replace a Cintiq (which I really want but don't have a real need for one - two of my employees do) but I'll wait to see what the relevant internerds have to say about it once the Pro comes out.
My two rMBPs are aging but still covered by AC. I'm considering a riMac (with a VESA mount) and a portable device for light work, and the Pro might fit my needs along with a Pencil but not the Keyboard as I already own a Logitech K811. I'm also waiting to see what Apple does with their next power laptop and stay happy with my Air, too!
With the cellular connection, which I use - my iPad Air is a portable thin client I can use to access my Exchange Server (via VPN or Parallels Access), my Azure or Amazon Cloud spaces where I run virtual machines, or my own servers to check on my company's work. Email is a tool I rarely use. I'm looking forward to demoing AutoCAD 360 - the short on-stage demo really opened my mind up. I bring my Air with me more often than my rMBP, but I'm not processing graphics/images. Both of my attorneys - principals in their firms - use iPads in meetings for notes and communications.
I see an iPad Pro - with a cellular connection - as a tool to leverage resources. My VZW LTE connection is often faster than the DSL available at my remote locations, and it's always secure; I'm fortunate to have multiple unlimited data plans available, but I've planned ahead.
I do use Astropad, but lightly. I also use a Wacom Intuos Pro, which is my go-to peripheral. I don't know whether an iPad Pro will replace a Cintiq (which I really want but don't have a real need for one - two of my employees do) but I'll wait to see what the relevant internerds have to say about it once the Pro comes out.
My two rMBPs are aging but still covered by AC. I'm considering a riMac (with a VESA mount) and a portable device for light work, and the Pro might fit my needs along with a Pencil but not the Keyboard as I already own a Logitech K811. I'm also waiting to see what Apple does with their next power laptop and stay happy with my Air, too!
Honestly I was kind of hoping for the iPad Pro to offer a dual boot. One into iOS and the other into OS X. Likely apple decided for thin form factor over the thicker. I think apple keeps the product lines from crossing over too.
A mouse, keyboard and file system are still useful and makes things faster and or easier.
A mouse works well, but clenching one all day (self employed working 10 hours at least) wears on my hand. It's just not natural to keep the hand clenched on a mouse. That's why I'm looking forward to Apple Pencil to at least rotate use from the mouse. Certainly when I work in Photoshop.
I just started using the Astropad app with my iPad Air 2 with a Adonit Stylus. Feeling better already.
The majority of my work is on my Macbook Pro with the iPad Air 2 as a dual monitor (using Duet app) or a Cintiq like tablet (using Astropad app). I have a feeling the iPad Pro with Astropad app and using Apple Pencil with be very low latency.
I just started using the Astropad app with my iPad Air 2 with a Adonit Stylus. Feeling better already.
The majority of my work is on my Macbook Pro with the iPad Air 2 as a dual monitor (using Duet app) or a Cintiq like tablet (using Astropad app). I have a feeling the iPad Pro with Astropad app and using Apple Pencil with be very low latency.
Yes, we should be looking towards new paradigms on how we interact with our systems.
Do you really think Apple has done this with the Pro however? Stylus isn't anything new and has been used for decades. Keyboard attachments are available for iPads already (if not first party). Touch is not anything new or exclusive here either.
SO yeah, Apple has created a fantastic large size iPad. But have not done anything more yet.
Nope, *most* people can't get by with just an iPad Pro (or any iPad) and a phone. Like you, they'll eventually want something with a real OS if only to use with a larger/wired monitor, keyboard and trackpad. If the iPad Pro had this capability you wouldn't need a 3rd device.
Only downside in my eyes is no file system. So I couldn't load files off a flash drive, edit them in illustrator, and save them again...
Store them in Adobe Creative Cloud.
It is amazing how on this board everyone wants to Apple to be innovative but complain and moan when Apple introduces a new product like the iPad Pro, new MP, 5K iMac, etc.
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great but that doesn't make it easy to share with other people. Plus, I don't always have internet access.
We'll have to disagree on that point. I would never be able to create apps on an iPad. The experience would be terrible. I think most of my friends/family don't need keyboards (beyond what the iPad Pro cover offers) or trackpads. They surf the web, watch movies, check email, mess around with Facebook, look at pictures, play mobile games etc. None of that requires OS X.
I keep saying this, I don't view the iPad Pro as an only device. I see people with iMac's, Mac Pro's, rMBP's, adding this to their tool belt.
I agree. It's an iPad Pro and not MacBook Pro. I don't think people should confuse this as a standalone device. It's iPad class. That said, the iPad is increasing being supported by Adobe to be complimentary to their full apps and even more work can be done in the Adobe iPad app than ever before.
I was initially more interested in the Apple Event's launch of the Apple TV. But, when I watched the event the iPad Pro was the standout for my attention. It may really get a large share of people using stylus tablets like the Cintiq to buy it.
I was initially more interested in the Apple Event's launch of the Apple TV. But, when I watched the event the iPad Pro was the standout for my attention. It may really get a large share of people using stylus tablets like the Cintiq to buy it.
You are implying that they are the same people. They are not.
That suite of Adobe apps on the iPad Pro are quite impressive. It is both software AND hardware that determine how "Pro" a solution is going to be. With iOS, Apple has that nailed down... especially when they get companies like Adobe and Microsoft onboard. Heck, Microsoft still doesn't have a touch-optimized version of Office for their own OSes!
But on the hardware side of things, Apple is (deliberately) dragging their feet. In another 3 years, they'll offer hardware improvements (like support for mice/trackpads, USB peripherals, etc.) that the Surface Pro has (just like they took 3 years to their own keyboard and stylus).