iPad Pro First Impressions: Surprisingly Light, But Screen Size May Be Unnecessary for Most

[chucker23n1]

Well, "mobile OS" can be rephrased as OS for mobile devices. Hope it clariifes.

You've replaced a meaningless marketing term with… the same meaningless marketing term.

Is a laptop a mobile device? If not, why not? If so, why doesn't it run "a mobile OS"?

Windows and iPod software do belong to different classes of OS and are aimed at different computing devices.

That line is arbitrary. Windows runs on 7-inch tablets. iOS runs on 13-inch devices.

Background tasks are quite a different story.

It's the very story you were alluding to.

Because the PC is more complex device than iPad

How?

The iPad's processors sure are quote complex. The array of sensors it has easily beats that on a desktop PC.

The only thing that makes the PC "more complex" is that you run an OS on it that lends more flexibility.

Look at a MacBook One's motherboard, then an iPad Pro's, and tell me what makes one more complex than the other. Nothing.

, its OS has to do a lot of things which are not necessary for much tighter hardware structure of iPad. Therefore, iPad is much more energy efficient and doesn't have to perform many background tasks. Thats one of reasons for limited multitasking as well.

That's circular reasoning: it has to do less because it does less; therefore, it can do less.

No, it's purely about expectations. Expect the iPad Pro to do more, and it'll have the same complexity as "a desktop OS", because there is no freaking difference whatsoever.

iOS works for two reasons: because touch is an awesome intuitive input method, and because they started from scratch and left out a lot of complexity. The iPad Pro, however, is on the very trajectory the Mac was on in the late 80s. That's not necessarily bad, but to pretend there's something magical that will keep iOS "simple" sure is.

The last words probably could be interpreted that way. MS's approach to windows everywhere is a catastophe because all devices are different. Its just like having one grade of fuel for all kinds of cars and bikes. But we all know the differences between diesel, jet fuel and premium gasoline.

Apple, on the other way, creates categories of OSes, each very focused on its tasks: iOS, WatchOS, TvOS, CarPlay.

You mean like Windows Mobile, Windows CE for Automotive and Windows Server?

 

[StoneJack]

Good points. I actually agree with you on more complex ipads' trends

 

[eyeseeyou]

You can absolutely run the Full Photoshop on the iPad via the Astropad app and your MacIntosh. In fact since the iPad Pro has pixel level accuracy it'll exceed the experience on the top level Cintiq models with better response and lower latency. Don't believe me…read what someone that frequently used Cintiq's and tested Apple Pencil at Apple before they left has to say.

http://www.cultofmac.com/388474/apple-pencil-versus-wacom-cintiq/

Astropad app:

http://astropad.com

If you're a purist, it looks like Adobe is suggesting they are tying their iPad apps to their full blown products in some way from the emails I've been getting from them.

P.S. I already use my iPad Air 2 as a color accurate dual display with my Mackbook Pro using the Duet app and it works flawlessly.

http://www.duetdisplay.com

NOTE: Both Astropad app and Duet app are made by former Apple employees. God I love the app developers. The iPad is a powerhouse because of them.

These 2 apps are necessary

 

[LordVic]

You can absolutely run the Full Photoshop on the iPad via the Astropad app and your MacIntosh. In fact since the iPad Pro has pixel level accuracy it'll exceed the experience on the top level Cintiq models with better response and lower latency. Don't believe me…read what someone that frequently used Cintiq's and tested Apple Pencil at Apple before they left has to say.

http://www.cultofmac.com/388474/apple-pencil-versus-wacom-cintiq/

Astropad app:

http://astropad.com

If you're a purist, it looks like Adobe is suggesting they are tying their iPad apps to their full blown products in some way from the emails I've been getting from them.

P.S. I already use my iPad Air 2 as a color accurate dual display with my Mackbook Pro using the Duet app and it works flawlessly.

http://www.duetdisplay.com

NOTE: Both Astropad app and Duet app are made by former Apple employees. God I love the app developers. The iPad is a powerhouse because of them.

While that is bloody awesome setup (i've not seen astropad before)

it still doesn't fix the problem that you can't use the iPad (pro) as a stand alone device to accomplish "pro" level activities

If it had OSx, just like the surfaces, you could go anywhere and still have full access to the larger full programs. Take Lightroom for example. Work on my desktop in Lightroom, editing a bunch of pictures. Get bored. Copy the file to USB, get off my fat ass, and walk to the coffee shop, Sit down, plug in USB, and still use full version of lightroom and pick off exactly where I left off.

it appears that the mindset for Apple's future is "2 or more devices with you all times". Where Windows is looking to make it "one device" mentality.

both are solutions. Some will prefer one way over the other. its just a choice thing.
However, from what i'm seeing, is a lot of people are looking for convergence, over divergence of their devices. They want to carry less and accomplish more. A lot of people don't want to carry around a 13" MBP and now a 13" iPad pro, if they could have just had a 13" tablet that can do it all

 

[heeloliver]

Why do your files need to be on a flash drive? Why not drop box? No hardware. Super fast. Simple

I don't always have internet available.

 

[LordVic]

I don't always have internet available.

not always available, AND sometimes extremely large in size. Digital Camera RAW files can be 20MB+ per image. For Example, Took 3,000 photos on recent travels and it totaled 16GB.

not exactly something you want to, or easily transferable using the cloud.
IMHO: Any device that calls itself PRO or FOR PROFESSIONALS needs at least 1 standardized port and able to handle file transfers to and from it.

Heck, I think having a single USB-C port on the iPad pro with simple file management would have transformed this device.

 

[billy the fish]

I liked a comment, as am sure others will come, from whoever doesn't get it.. it's un wieldy. Really? For who? you? I'm assuming you speak for everyone on the planet. Oh, wait, you damn sure don't speak for me. Let the BS GAMES of huff-n-puff begiung. Will somebobody sever that electraical cord , please. I, however, would like topersonally thank Microsoft for this gift. Yes MS

They had the foresite to see where these lager pads would be a boon to enterprise..Sadly the tech then was like changing a tire off a car. Luck Us few.. Steve Balmer came in to save the day and declare this is not MS! I won't bore you with the rest of MS history of .. nevermind.. I farted. Giggled.. Thank you MS for being so brilliant as to give up any good ideas you may not have ever been the ones to have. Just stole. Oh forgive that treaspass. Borrowed. Thay all did it.

All I have to do know is endure the endless BS from crap blog and money movers.. I need to invest in massive amounts of cheese to go with the impending onslaught of Apple DOOOOM to please me reading the whine..and.. and wait for the apps I want. and I have dreamed of them on a divice like this. I will have a few of these beasts. My Choice. Choice. Choice. One more time. Choice. This is the iPad I've been looking for.. to work so well with 'lil buddies.

...waiter.. I'll have my____________now. served cold. thank you MS. and thank you Apple.

has it been a long day mate. ?

 

[sracer]

You can absolutely run the Full Photoshop on the iPad via the Astropad app and your MacIntosh. In fact since the iPad Pro has pixel level accuracy it'll exceed the experience on the top level Cintiq models with better response and lower latency. Don't believe me…read what someone that frequently used Cintiq's and tested Apple Pencil at Apple before they left has to say.

http://www.cultofmac.com/388474/apple-pencil-versus-wacom-cintiq/

Astropad app:

http://astropad.com

If you're a purist, it looks like Adobe is suggesting they are tying their iPad apps to their full blown products in some way from the emails I've been getting from them.

P.S. I already use my iPad Air 2 as a color accurate dual display with my Mackbook Pro using the Duet app and it works flawlessly.

http://www.duetdisplay.com

NOTE: Both Astropad app and Duet app are made by former Apple employees. God I love the app developers. The iPad is a powerhouse because of them.

Umm, no. That isn't actually running Full Photoshop on the iPad. That is using the iPad as a terminal to access a Mac. There's a huge difference.

 

[billy the fish]

Yeah, but does it come with the coolest logo on the planet?

some would say uncoolest.... but hey ho....

 

[billy the fish]

Most company are beginning to use Apple office suite,...

can you give us a link to back this up please.....

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Next year. There's a reason Apple didn't update the iPad Air 2.

Right, To sell some of those pro iPads. I think it I great that Apple makes this niche product because it is great for some use cases, which I don't have and many other users neither.

 

[eyeseeyou]

not always available, AND sometimes extremely large in size. Digital Camera RAW files can be 20MB+ per image. For Example, Took 3,000 photos on recent travels and it totaled 16GB.

not exactly something you want to, or easily transferable using the cloud.
IMHO: Any device that calls itself PRO or FOR PROFESSIONALS needs at least 1 standardized port and able to handle file transfers to and from it.

Heck, I think having a single USB-C port on the iPad pro with simple file management would have transformed this device.

Isn't there a camera connection dongle for iPads?

 

[LordVic]

Isn't there a camera connection dongle for iPads?

None that support RAW filetransfers.

 

[thepixelpusher]

Umm, no. That isn't actually running Full Photoshop on the iPad. That is using the iPad as a terminal to access a Mac. There's a huge difference.

Yes it is does through a pairing with a MacBook or desktop. You can do it Wirelessly through WiFi or attached lightning cable.

From Linda Dong's experience the combo will likely exceed the experience of a Microsoft surface pro setup and be on par with the top level Cintiq. It looks like the MacBook/iPad Pro will be more responsive and lower latency than the MS surface Pro. I use an iPad in my workflow already. When Adobe upgrades it's iPad apps, if they do, the iPad Pro may be that all in one solution.

All the pros working in the film industry that I know use Cintiqs tied to a machine over the MS Surface Pro. I know a few of them are buying the iPad Pro for the Apple Pencil.

No slam on the MS Surface Pro that is also very functional for illustrators, but most industry pros doing digital illustration everyday, prefer the Cintiq over the Surface Pro. They are used to the combo setup in order to have a bigger screen to work on. It looks like the iPad Pro will match the Cintiq and maybe beat it with use of Astropad app loaded on the iPad. Stay tuned 'til November to find out.

 

[lincolntran]

can you give us a link to back this up please.....

The last three companies that I worked for all use Mac and apple suit, they're in 3 different industries and sharing apple docs with other companies who are also use Mac and its office. I've personally know many startups who just use Apple products exclusively and get things done without bothering with Microsoft at all.

 

[billy the fish]

The last three companies that I worked for all use Mac and apple suit, they're in 3 different industries and sharing apple docs with other companies who are also use Mac and its office. I've personally know many startups who just use Apple products exclusively and get things done without bothering with Microsoft at all.

So youve gone from most, I.e at least 51 % of all companies to just a hand full in your immediate circle.. Behave..

 

[lincolntran]

So youve gone from most, I.e at least 51 % of all companies to just a hand full in your immediate circle.. Behave..

I don't want to waste time and list out all of them for you. If you read my post again, you'll see that I said most startups .... not those dinosaur corporations.

 

[thepixelpusher]

I'm using the MacIntosh MS Office software because my Windows clients need me to be compatible on some of the MS Office templates I make for them. Glad to see Microsoft at the Apple event and supporting the iPad.

 

[sracer]

Yes it is does through a pairing with a MacBook or desktop. You can do it Wirelessly through WiFi or attached lightning cable.

From Linda Dong's experience the combo will likely exceed the experience of a Microsoft surface pro setup and be on par with the top level Cintiq. It looks like the MacBook/iPad Pro will be more responsive and lower latency than the MS surface Pro. I use an iPad in my workflow in my workflow already. When Adobe upgrades it's iPad apps, if they do, the iPad Pro may be that all in one solution.

All the pros working in the film industry that I know use Cintiqs tied to a machine over the MS Surface Pro. I know a few of them are buying the iPad Pro for the Apple Pencil.

No slam on the MS Surface Pro, but most industry pros doing digital illustration everyday, prefer the Cintiq over the Surface Pro. They are used to the combo setup in order to have a bigger screen to work on. It looks like the iPad Pro will match the Cintiq and maybe beat it with Astropad. Stay tuned 'til November to find out.

You are free to believe what you'd like. The fact is, Full Photoshop is NOT running ON the iPad in that scenario.

Still disagree? Take only your iPad into the middle of the forest with no connectivity and try to run your "Full" Photoshop.

 

[thepixelpusher]

You are free to believe what you'd like. The fact is, Full Photoshop is NOT running ON the iPad in that scenario.

Still disagree? Take only your iPad into the middle of the forest with no connectivity and try to run your "Full" Photoshop.

As I explained the iPad DOES work directly with the full Photoshop using Astropad app on it and a paired Mac computer with full Photoshop. I just did it a moment ago. The iPad Pro and Apple Pencil with Astropad and computer will likely do it at a Cintiq level.

Reread my posts, I never said the iPad was a standalone for full photoshop. Hope that clears it up for you.

 

[heeloliver]

not always available, AND sometimes extremely large in size. Digital Camera RAW files can be 20MB+ per image. For Example, Took 3,000 photos on recent travels and it totaled 16GB.

not exactly something you want to, or easily transferable using the cloud.
IMHO: Any device that calls itself PRO or FOR PROFESSIONALS needs at least 1 standardized port and able to handle file transfers to and from it.

Heck, I think having a single USB-C port on the iPad pro with simple file management would have transformed this device.

I agree completely. Glad to see someone else with this view. I am probably going to get a Pro, but having USB C would of made it SO much better.

 

[thepixelpusher]

not always available, AND sometimes extremely large in size. Digital Camera RAW files can be 20MB+ per image. For Example, Took 3,000 photos on recent travels and it totaled 16GB.

not exactly something you want to, or easily transferable using the cloud.
IMHO: Any device that calls itself PRO or FOR PROFESSIONALS needs at least 1 standardized port and able to handle file transfers to and from it.

Heck, I think having a single USB-C port on the iPad pro with simple file management would have transformed this device.

Use a lightning port thumbdrive or when you have an Internet connection you can easily transfer big files over your wifi. I use a 3 dollar lightning port to USB adapter with a cheap thumbdrive. Works great.

 

[gdb19]

Have to admit I was a bit disappointed when the iPad pro was announced. I was looking for something more like the surface so I could just have one device instead of separate MacBook and tablet. I realised it probably wasn't going to happen as osx doesn't seem to lend itself to touch controls but I was still hopeful.

I'm very tempted to jump to the surface next year when I look to replace my MacBook

 

[pianojoe]

I’m a choirmaster, and I’ve replaced all the paper sheet music I have to carry around for work with an iPad Air long ago. Still, screen real estate is an issue, and I’ll shell out happily for this new device!
Having worked on an iPad for years, I think that Apple’s no-filesystem approach has its own merits, avoiding clutter. You have to jazz up your workflow, though. I deem it a modern approach on how to organize your data. Don’t complain that you can’t feed hay to your motor car!

 

[s2mikey]

While that is bloody awesome setup (i've not seen astropad before)

it still doesn't fix the problem that you can't use the iPad (pro) as a stand alone device to accomplish "pro" level activities

If it had OSx, just like the surfaces, you could go anywhere and still have full access to the larger full programs. Take Lightroom for example. Work on my desktop in Lightroom, editing a bunch of pictures. Get bored. Copy the file to USB, get off my fat ass, and walk to the coffee shop, Sit down, plug in USB, and still use full version of lightroom and pick off exactly where I left off.

it appears that the mindset for Apple's future is "2 or more devices with you all times". Where Windows is looking to make it "one device" mentality.

both are solutions. Some will prefer one way over the other. its just a choice thing.
However, from what i'm seeing, is a lot of people are looking for convergence, over divergence of their devices. They want to carry less and accomplish more. A lot of people don't want to carry around a 13" MBP and now a 13" iPad pro, if they could have just had a 13" tablet that can do it all

You nailed it. This Pro version of the iPad isn't really very "pro" when you check into it further. It's a larger screened version of what we have now. Better speakers and some more RAM. Processor bump too. That's it. No hard connectivity, overpriced, no file system access, etc, etc. As much as I love iOS and all that, this devic should have come with some type of "power" version of iOS or a light version of OSX. Or something.

The keyboard and pencil are too expensive as well. I don't see why a pro level user wouldn't just get a MacBook at this price point. Or, a powerhouse refurbished rMBP. Same money. Oh well.