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But on the hardware side of things, Apple is (deliberately) dragging their feet. In another 3 years, they'll offer hardware improvements (like support for mice/trackpads, USB peripherals, etc.) that the Surface Pro has (just like they took 3 years to their own keyboard and stylus).
They already make laptops. :rolleyes:
 
I don't understand why people compare the Surface Pro 3 to the iPad Pro. Apple is not positioning it that way. That is left to the laptops, which for now doesn't include touch.

That said, the iPad and iPad Pro is perfect for the company Enterprise since iPads can be preconfigured to do just what it needs to do. It isn't a computer that someone can go to the root and load up anything they want.

I'm an artist and the iPad Pro with Apple pencil looks like it will be more like a Cintiq quality than the Surface Pro 3 for tight drawing resolution. People using the Surface Pro, Cintiq and had time with the iPad Pro and pencil are excited about the drawing resolution. Adobe is already coming out with many iOS bridge apps to support workflow with the full OS software too.

I'm sure the Surface Pro is a great computer. I don't see Apple positioning against the Surface Pro with the iPad Pro, partly in their philosohy and direction for now. Apple may be looking to take a part of Enterprise sales from the Surface Pro because companies want their staff to have portable computers that can't be jazzed up as easy. It's hard to deny the inroads the iPad has made into consumer life and that might make its way into companies in the same way. Apple's approach has been successful so far. Time will tell.
 
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Her review is very credible. She's used Cintiq extensively, as well as the Apple Pencil while in development. She's no longer with Apple and calls it like she sees it based upon direct experience. I'm getting an iPad Pro and Apple Pencil.
 
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I don't understand why people compare the Surface Pro 3 to the iPad Pro. Apple is not positioning it that way. That is left to the laptops, which for now doesn't include touch.

That said, the iPad and iPad Pro is perfect for the company Enterprise since iPads can be preconfigured to do just what it needs to do. It isn't a computer that someone can go to the root and load up anything they want.

I'm an artist and the iPad Pro with Apple pencil looks like it will be more like a Cintiq quality than the Surface Pro 3 for tight drawing resolution. People using the Surface Pro, Cintiq and had time with the iPad Pro and pencil are excited about the drawing resolution. Adobe is already coming out with many bridge apps to support workflow with the full OS software too.

I'm sure the Surface Pro is a great computer. I don't see Apple positioning against the Surface Pro with the iPad Pro, partly in their philosohy and direction for now. Apple may be looking to take a part of Enterprise sales from the Surface Pro because companies want their staff to have portable computers that can't be jazzed up as easy. It's hard to deny the inroads the iPad has made into consumer life and that might make its way into companies in the same way. Apple's approach has been successful so far. Time will tell.
You may not understand it but the iPad Pro is a direct response to the Surface Pro and other hybrid laptop/tablets. The reason is if they take off, there's no reason to buy an iPad at all.

Right now, laptops and smartphones are indispensable for most people. A tablet is typically a third device. IPad minis became less relevant with phablets and iPads could become less relevant if these hybrids take off.

IPads sales have been slowing for a reason since phablets and hybrids have launched. This is not lost on Apple and they had to respond.

The iPhone 6+ was the first response and the iPad Pro is the second to this trend.
 
You may not understand it but the iPad Pro is a direct response to the Surface Pro and other hybrid laptop/tablets. The reason is if they take off, there's no reason to buy an iPad at all.

Right now, laptops and smartphones are indispensable for most people. A tablet is typically a third device. IPad minis became less relevant with phablets and iPads could become less relevant if these hybrids take off.

IPads sales have been slowing for a reason since phablets and hybrids have launched. This is not lost on Apple and they had to respond.

The iPhone 6+ was the first response and the iPad Pro is the second to this trend.

I do understand it.

The iPad Pro doesn't run a full OS like the MS Surface. There may some overlap in consumer audiences for both, but no one is buying the iPad Pro to replace their laptop like Surface users are.

I think it's more likely Apple would add touch to their laptops if they wanted to compete directly against the Surface.

MacBreak Weekly's podcast coverage of the IPad Pro mentions somone talking to Tim Cook, during his surprise NY store visit, and asking him directly if the iPad Pro would steal sales from the Apple laptops. Tim Cook responded by saying he thought only a small share would do that and that he would continue to need to use his laptop and the iPad.

That tells me that Apple isn't challenging the same Surface audience that wants a full OS, to buy an iPad Pro instead.

I think there's room for different devices for different users. I don't look at this as iPad Pro or Surface Pro. And apparently neither Does Tim Cook, as he included MS Office people to demo at the Apple Event on the iPad Pro.
 
I do understand it.

The iPad Pro doesn't run a full OS like the MS Surface. There may some overlap in consumer audiences for both, but no one is buying the iPad Pro to replace their laptop like Surface users are.

I think it's more likely Apple would add touch to their laptops if they wanted to compete directly against the Surface.

MacBreak Weekly's podcast coverage of the IPad Pro mentions somone talking to Tim Cook, during his surprise NY store visit, and asking him directly if the iPad Pro would steal sales from the Apple laptops. Tim Cook responded by saying he thought only a small share would do that and that he would continue to need to use his laptop and the iPad.

That tells me that Apple isn't challenging the same Surface audience that wants a full OS, to buy an iPad Pro instead.

I think there's room for different devices for different users. I don't look at this as iPad Pro or Surface Pro. And apparently neither Does Tim Cook, as he included MS Office people to demo at the Apple Event on the iPad Pro.
If someone already has a Macbook, why would they buy an iPad Pro and not just the iPad Air? Why have two devices with about the same screen size? Unless you have money to burn. I rarely see someone with an iPhone 6+ and an iPad Mini for example.

I guess if you have the 15" MB Pro, a 12.9" iPad Pro might make sense. But we're talking $3K+ for both!
 
I'm a graphic artist looking to use it instead of a Cintiq. Complimentary use. Likely other design professionals will use it the same complimentary way if there are apps that feed in to their workflow.

Companies that want to put out computers for those that have a less than full OS need could be an audience, which is about 75% of company users and so on.

As a design professional with my own studio, the cost of the Apple devices is small next to the positive money returns I get from my better workflow using the multiple Apple devices.
 
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Why use a gimped OS when you can have the best of both worlds?

I think desktop OS on a tablet is the worst of both worlds. Less portability than a smaller mobile OS tablet and less power and ease of use for desktop applications than a traditional laptop.

Not saying it can't serve a purpose, but these hybrid devices aren't as ideal as people make them out to be.
 
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As an illustrator, I want to know if the iPad Pro, coupled with the Apple Pencil, would be a cost-efficient replacement for a Cintiq.

I think it mostly depends on whether or not you require specific desktop applications and whether or not you need to be mobile. If you are ok with mobile art applications and need to actually be mobile, then an iPad pro is much cheaper than a cintiq companion. If you're taking about a 13" cintiq, it's around the same price but much much more portable considering your have to pair it with your laptop, assuming you already have a laptop. The only advantage the 13" cintiq would have then would be its screen film which is nice to draw on, and the express keys which can be convenient in some cases.
 
Well, there you go. I too was somebody who enjoyed the mobility of an iPad and wished it could replace my MacBook. My solution was to abandon the dual OS/iOS nonsense and just get a windows tablet that was light and mobile plus it could dock to full blown peripherals when I am deskbound.

It's not exactly the "Apple" experience but man... the joy of carrying all your tech in a big pocket and the money I'm saving.

You can fit a surface pro in your pocket??
 
Well, there you go. I too was somebody who enjoyed the mobility of an iPad and wished it could replace my MacBook. My solution was to abandon the dual OS/iOS nonsense and just get a windows tablet that was light and mobile plus it could dock to full blown peripherals when I am deskbound.

It's not exactly the "Apple" experience but man... the joy of carrying all your tech in a big pocket and the money I'm saving.
You must have one massive set of britches to carry a surface pro in your pocket! :p
 
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