Why do so many detractors insist that they don't want an iPad until they see a "full OS" on it? Just get a MacBook and be done with it. Quit whining....
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iPad Pro First Impressions: Surprisingly Light, But Screen Size May Be Unnecessary for Most
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I think this is where the PRO word is redundantOnly downside in my eyes is no file system. So I couldn't load files off a flash drive, edit them in illustrator, and save them again...
Handwriting recognition? Is Apple Stylus on iPad Pro silent compared to Adonit Jot Script 2 Stylus on iPad Air 2?
Can that be done? I'd like to try it. And does the Surface Pro 4 have more horsepower MIPS than the Apple processors? I dunno bout that one!
People have been doing it since the SP2 was out. The new iPad will no doubt be more powerful but if you YouTube Surface Pro OSX theres a few people that have got it working and with some touch features as well.
Well, from what I can see, the exact OPPOSITE of what you are describing is happening. But I don't live in the US, I live in Europe. And I work at established companies, not startups. Most Open Source solutions don't cut it for most businesses; in the end, some proprietary or at least subscription-based non-community-edition of an Open Source product is being used, because people need to be productive - and not being busy trying to keep some "community" effort up and running.
AWS is big, but so is Azure - Microsoft is actually AHEAD of Google here. When you really look at TCO, Office365 can be a real alternative to the "traditional" software license lifecycle. When you add the cost of an on-site Exchange cluster to the mix, Office365 with Exchange accounts might even be more attractive for certain companies. And let's fact it: Exchange - and Sharepoint - are the REAL killer business applications, and they are without any real competition; most competing products are simply not on eye level with Microsoft's solutions.
Companies using Apple's Office apps to replace Microsoft Office? Sorry, but that must be a joke.
MongoDB and Ruby? I don't know of anybody who uses that. PHP, sure. MySQL, sure. Python, yes. PostgreSQL, yes, some. .NET and MSSQL: Who does NOT use it?
"Microsoft only have a hold of giant companies that don't want to make changes." Really? I spent the last year migrating a company with hundreds of servers AWAY from a pure Linux/OSS-environment to a mix of Microsoft and Linux-based OSS products -- with Microsoft AD and Exchange at its core. Why? Because the OSS-alternatives were falling short at every corner and the maintenance costs and efforts were TOO HIGH - and the Microsoft products are MORE RELIABLE than stuff like SOGo and OpenLDAP or IPA.
But this is only from what I can see, of course.
Regarding the iPad Pro: It's undeniably a Microsoft Surface rip-off. Personally, I would chose the Surface over the iPad anytime. Why? Those are mobile tools for work, and for the work that I do the Surface is the superior tool BECAUSE of Windows.
Ren real ANYTHING and I will consider it a PRO version.
This iPad could be a first step toward an Apple tablet Mac, or Apple could push software suites to switch over in time. At the moment, this is a sad, large iPad. Most of the sadness is the price per features provided. If this was $599 it would be acceptable.
They need to allow the iPad Pro to "expand" via external drives and devices via a dock or the connector.
That is the most ridiculous argument ever. Do you make the same statements about Mac OS? Agreed the attack opportunity is lower on iOS since it is a completely closed system. Furthermore, iOS cannot compare in capability with Windows. The iPad pro can at best give a crippled experience compared with the Surface Pro 3.
If surface was a ripoff of the iPad, the the iPad was a ripoff of the tablet PC. Both statements have the same validity which is they have none. Nice try.
I don't think it will be. I can see a number of uses for it, just not as many for the average home tablet user. The average punter is not not going to pay that kind of money for this. The professional, commercial and business use might if it works well for their purpose.
rofl....
but there's a file-explorer app for ios9 for access to your cloud files...
Interesting analysis from Daring Fireball's John Gruber:
"Apple called the A9X “desktop class”, and that’s not hypebole. They said it outperforms 80 percent of laptops sold in the last 12 months — and 90 percent of them in graphics. But, let’s face it, the vast majority of “laptops” are piece of crap PCs. What’s impressive is that the iPad Pro will compare favorably to very recent MacBooks. I think it’ll benchmark comparably to, say, a 2013 MacBook Air. I wouldn’t be surprised if the iPad Pro outperforms the Intel-based Surface Pro 3 from Microsoft. iPad Pro might be the inflection point where Apple’s ARM chips surpass Intel’s in terms of raw speed for this class of hardware — and if it doesn’t, next year’s A10X will.
As with other iPads and iPhones, Apple won’t talk about RAM, even though developers will be able to find out as soon as they get their hands on them. If we were to wager on the amount of RAM in iPad Pro, my bet would be 4 GB. And I would wager very heavily."
"Apple called the A9X “desktop class”, and that’s not hypebole. They said it outperforms 80 percent of laptops sold in the last 12 months — and 90 percent of them in graphics. But, let’s face it, the vast majority of “laptops” are piece of crap PCs. What’s impressive is that the iPad Pro will compare favorably to very recent MacBooks. I think it’ll benchmark comparably to, say, a 2013 MacBook Air. I wouldn’t be surprised if the iPad Pro outperforms the Intel-based Surface Pro 3 from Microsoft. iPad Pro might be the inflection point where Apple’s ARM chips surpass Intel’s in terms of raw speed for this class of hardware — and if it doesn’t, next year’s A10X will.
As with other iPads and iPhones, Apple won’t talk about RAM, even though developers will be able to find out as soon as they get their hands on them. If we were to wager on the amount of RAM in iPad Pro, my bet would be 4 GB. And I would wager very heavily."
so, they launched a "pro" tablet without pro-software. dumb move. where's the feature-rich final cut, logic, motion, 3d-studio, photoshop, illustrator, ... that this tablet needs as a reason to exist? what does "desktop-class cpu" even mean, when there's no "desktop-class" software?
demoing imovie and adobe comp, really?
demoing imovie and adobe comp, really?
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I would hope it surpasses the surface pro 3 considering it's more expensive and runs a crippled OS. Not to mention a year newer.
I know there are people that can go back even further but back in 2003 we had Windows XP for Tablet computers and PocketPCs with Wi-Fi and IR blasters to play with. The technology is much more accessible and powerful now but I would not go around claiming that Apple was first or who is the copier.
I am very skeptical about this. If you lump Chromebooks and entry level Windows 8/10 w/Bing machines suddenly you are looking at the A-Series processor being more powerful than Intel Atom. That line at the keynote made me cringe. I want to see what happens when someone has an iPad Pro in hand at retail.
You'll never get this satisfaction because iOS 9 for iPad displays 4x4 icons in folders.
I agree about office, there is no other way around it for a real business. As for a home user there are some very decent free alternatives.
About MongoDB and Ruby, this is used plenty in the startup world and on AZURE. Locally I know of more than 5 with funding that are Ruby based on Azure (RTP area). The Microsoft Biz-spark program is GREAT. I am currently involved in a startup using AZURE over AWS, and taking a Ubuntu or Centos image and installing what you need is no issue. Having managed over 50 servers on AWS in a previous life, I like AZURE better, while not all the features yet but all that ~99% of use cases need.
I was a big fan of Apple when they switched to the Intel platform, but about 3 years ago started moving away. The focus on the consumer and not the geeks anymore is what led me away. My setup for dev, is windows 8.1 or Win10 with VMWARE running linux VMs, and VPNed into my Azure machines.
Current laptop is a thinkpad with 32gis, no way to get that from apple, hoping the Surface-Pro 4 will get a 16gig option.
Apple products are good, and will be buying another mini to upgrade my aging one connected to my tv, but as for using them for work anymore I have moved on.
I am certain Apple will continue to have ups and downs but succeed more often than not, they are a consumer company now, not a computer focused company.
--Can I get a G5 iPad ?
About MongoDB and Ruby, this is used plenty in the startup world and on AZURE. Locally I know of more than 5 with funding that are Ruby based on Azure (RTP area). The Microsoft Biz-spark program is GREAT. I am currently involved in a startup using AZURE over AWS, and taking a Ubuntu or Centos image and installing what you need is no issue. Having managed over 50 servers on AWS in a previous life, I like AZURE better, while not all the features yet but all that ~99% of use cases need.
I was a big fan of Apple when they switched to the Intel platform, but about 3 years ago started moving away. The focus on the consumer and not the geeks anymore is what led me away. My setup for dev, is windows 8.1 or Win10 with VMWARE running linux VMs, and VPNed into my Azure machines.
Current laptop is a thinkpad with 32gis, no way to get that from apple, hoping the Surface-Pro 4 will get a 16gig option.
Apple products are good, and will be buying another mini to upgrade my aging one connected to my tv, but as for using them for work anymore I have moved on.
I am certain Apple will continue to have ups and downs but succeed more often than not, they are a consumer company now, not a computer focused company.
--Can I get a G5 iPad ?
Because there are dozens of other brands out there that make PCs with touchscreens and a fully functional operating system, and Mac users want a similar option.
Yeah...you'd think they would allow you to take advantage of that huge display.
This is one of the big markets. The reason for the Pro tagline is that its primary use case is not consumer which it was for the iPad and iPad mini.
There are so many business use cases for this such as sales information points, till points, check in desks etc etc.
As we have seen from the results the consumer tablet market is a bit saturated so you need to go for a new one to make more money
Interesting reactions here.. Haters gonna hate?
It finally happened. I'm going to sell so much stuff to get hold of this - this is potentially a dream device for me and I've been harping on about this unicorn like idea for years, and while some are complaining about lack of pro apps I'll be doing layout and painting in Procreate. There are a lot of great apps for iOS stylus use - and as a cintiq 13hd user at my desktop the touch based tablet apps work *much* better on this form factor than ones designed with desktop in mind.
I'm absolutely behind apples choice to keep the iOS and osX family separate. Though I'd also be interested in a fusion device, I wouldn't really like an iPad pro with only osX and no iOS.. Too much quality software designed around the form factor and multitouch would be lost.
It finally happened. I'm going to sell so much stuff to get hold of this - this is potentially a dream device for me and I've been harping on about this unicorn like idea for years, and while some are complaining about lack of pro apps I'll be doing layout and painting in Procreate. There are a lot of great apps for iOS stylus use - and as a cintiq 13hd user at my desktop the touch based tablet apps work *much* better on this form factor than ones designed with desktop in mind.
I'm absolutely behind apples choice to keep the iOS and osX family separate. Though I'd also be interested in a fusion device, I wouldn't really like an iPad pro with only osX and no iOS.. Too much quality software designed around the form factor and multitouch would be lost.
The new iPad Pro has a huge potential, especially for graphics work, but it also shows a lack of focus, which Apple used to excel at in the past.
Three glaring issues that I can see straight away:
1. Lack of build in apps to benefit from the larger screen, stylus and external keyboard. This means that there is going to be no new use case for this device (compared to the previous iPads) until the developers come up with some great new apps. Not many people are going to buy it at twice the price just to watch movies and photos on a bigger screen. Third party developers are also going to be more reluctant to invest in the platform without an already established user base.
2. No customisation of the iOS for the larger screen. Even the home screen is the same as on the iPhone. Huge spacing between icons and 4-5 icons per line on a 13 inch screen make me think that the product was rushed to the market without much thought and effort put towards the actual usability of the OS.
3. No new collaboration features. To be used in a professional setting, a device needs to fit into a workflow of that setting. There is no easy way on the iPad Pro to send files between apps, devices or people. The split screen is nice, but it is just a small part of what is needed. Cloud is not something that works for everything. There is a lot of work that needs to be done offline.
I hope Apple will address these points in the future, because the product itself can become a huge hit in the professional creative market as well as some other business environments (medical, education, etc.).
Three glaring issues that I can see straight away:
1. Lack of build in apps to benefit from the larger screen, stylus and external keyboard. This means that there is going to be no new use case for this device (compared to the previous iPads) until the developers come up with some great new apps. Not many people are going to buy it at twice the price just to watch movies and photos on a bigger screen. Third party developers are also going to be more reluctant to invest in the platform without an already established user base.
2. No customisation of the iOS for the larger screen. Even the home screen is the same as on the iPhone. Huge spacing between icons and 4-5 icons per line on a 13 inch screen make me think that the product was rushed to the market without much thought and effort put towards the actual usability of the OS.
3. No new collaboration features. To be used in a professional setting, a device needs to fit into a workflow of that setting. There is no easy way on the iPad Pro to send files between apps, devices or people. The split screen is nice, but it is just a small part of what is needed. Cloud is not something that works for everything. There is a lot of work that needs to be done offline.
I hope Apple will address these points in the future, because the product itself can become a huge hit in the professional creative market as well as some other business environments (medical, education, etc.).