I hear nothing but praise from surface owners. I've used windows 10 on a tablet/touch screen monitor and the fact that it integrates touch options with a mouse is something apple should have done a while ago. It really does work well for touch screens. OS11 perhaps will marry the two. an iPad pro running an optimized OS X for multi touch would be an absolute dream.
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I hear nothing but praise from surface owners. I've used windows 10 on a tablet/touch screen monitor and the fact that it integrates touch options with a mouse is something apple should have done a while ago. It really does work well for touch screens. OS11 perhaps will marry the two. an iPad pro running an optimized OS X for multi touch would be an absolute dream.
How long must this debate go on? Here...
Surface Pro weaknesses:
- have to carry around and attach/detach a keyboard accessory
- the keyboard flops around
- the typing experience isn't as good as on a laptop keyboard
- worse battery life than MacBooks and iPads
- not as steady on awkward surfaces as a clamshell
- sometimes have to use touch input on applications not designed for touch input
- as a tablet, it's heavier yet has a smaller screen than an iPad Pro
- it's windows
MacBook and iPad Pro combo weaknesses (assuming iPad is mainly used as tablet with no keyboard attached since MacBook would be used for most typing):
- more expensive in total
- have to carry around both or choose between two devices
- can't use a pen in desktop applications unless you hook up a drawing tablet/display to your MacBook, which is cumbersome, takes away from portability, and can potentially be much more expensive (so you have to hope for equally functional iOS versions of the apps)
MacBook and Surface Pro combo weaknesses:
- also expensive in total... anywhere from $200 cheaper to $800 more expensive than the MacBook + iPad Pro combo, depending on configurations
- have to carry around both or choose between two devices, although more often you'd only need the sp, although then you still have all the aforementioned weaknesses of using the sp as a laptop (keyboard issues, using touch input on non-touch software, etc.)
- sp has worse battery life than iPad Pro
- sp is heavier yet has a smaller screen than an iPad Pro
- still have to use windows
(Strengths are the inverse of the other's weaknesses. And I think I got all the major ones.)
Looking at these lists, can't we all agree there is no clear "better"? Can't we all agree everyone's needs and wants and values and situations are different. You just have to pick which list of compromises are easier to live with for YOU.
But no... the debate will go on and on, because people can't see past themselves.
Surface Pro weaknesses:
- have to carry around and attach/detach a keyboard accessory
- the keyboard flops around
- the typing experience isn't as good as on a laptop keyboard
- worse battery life than MacBooks and iPads
- not as steady on awkward surfaces as a clamshell
- sometimes have to use touch input on applications not designed for touch input
- as a tablet, it's heavier yet has a smaller screen than an iPad Pro
- it's windows
MacBook and iPad Pro combo weaknesses (assuming iPad is mainly used as tablet with no keyboard attached since MacBook would be used for most typing):
- more expensive in total
- have to carry around both or choose between two devices
- can't use a pen in desktop applications unless you hook up a drawing tablet/display to your MacBook, which is cumbersome, takes away from portability, and can potentially be much more expensive (so you have to hope for equally functional iOS versions of the apps)
MacBook and Surface Pro combo weaknesses:
- also expensive in total... anywhere from $200 cheaper to $800 more expensive than the MacBook + iPad Pro combo, depending on configurations
- have to carry around both or choose between two devices, although more often you'd only need the sp, although then you still have all the aforementioned weaknesses of using the sp as a laptop (keyboard issues, using touch input on non-touch software, etc.)
- sp has worse battery life than iPad Pro
- sp is heavier yet has a smaller screen than an iPad Pro
- still have to use windows
(Strengths are the inverse of the other's weaknesses. And I think I got all the major ones.)
Looking at these lists, can't we all agree there is no clear "better"? Can't we all agree everyone's needs and wants and values and situations are different. You just have to pick which list of compromises are easier to live with for YOU.
But no... the debate will go on and on, because people can't see past themselves.
they are subjective..because they own one. i am objective here
But still not OSX is the solution here to input multi touch for ipad pro BUT iOS to be more open, and APPS
because of the hardware that become more and more powerful the apps can be like the one from desktop OS
Turn this thing into a development machine somehow and lots of cs students might actually give it a try
I don't need to know how to cook in order to tell whether a particular dish tastes great or not.
You forgot one new solution - Surface Book. That's what you want.
Mine will be here Monday Morning
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Someone invited by Apple is definitely going to be more likely to say favourable things about their product. As always, wait for independent reviews.
I belive that only pro industry artist that use macs are music producers (logic pro and pro tools) and designers second. In movie productions macs are almost extint and in buisiness applicasions they were newer significant factor. And with ridiculus price increses macs will be even less of a factor in pro industry.
They have to give you a reason to buy iPadPro2So they put the 3D touch (which would be excellent for a larger iPad made for more productive work) on the iPhone, but not on the iPad Pro?
??? lol
iPad Pro 2. Now with 3D touch.So they put the 3D touch (which would be excellent for a larger iPad made for more productive work) on the iPhone, but not on the iPad Pro?
What's the point of this device when it can't run desktop applications?
Apple playing catchup AGAIN. Just get a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 and all your problems solved.... A true device for professionals.
Apple playing catchup AGAIN. Just get a Microsoft Surface Pro 4 and all your problems solved.... A true device for professionals.
Unfortunately for you, the Apple logo won't make the iPad Pro run desktop applications. Sorry for you... We don't eat logos do we? I'd rather get a powerful Surface 4 device than follow Apples marketing machine blindly.
Unfortunately for you, the Apple logo won't make the iPad Pro run desktop applications. Sorry for you... We don't eat logos do we? I'd rather get a powerful Surface 4 device than follow Apples marketing machine blindly.
Just get a Surface Pro 4
Unfortunately for you, the Apple logo won't make the iPad Pro run desktop applications. Sorry for you... We don't eat logos do we? I'd rather get a powerful Surface 4 device than follow Apples marketing machine blindly.
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No. For now at least it's a Pro exclusive feature. The Air doesn't have a compatible screen so best case we'd see it on the Air 3.
"Never' is subjective. I have a Surface Pro 3 and can say it's the best device I've ever had. I'm looking forward to the Surface Pro 4.
What's your definition of "pro industry"? People who just run Microsoft Office and nothing else? Yes, I think Apple has conceded that race to the bottom market to the unprofitable rest of the PC industry, and they're fine with that. Otherwise, many other industries are looking for the best tool or group of tools they can get to do their job, not the tool that simply costs the least.
Everyone asking why there wasn't 3D Touch on the iPad Pro seems to be ignoring what it did to the iPhone 6s - it made it a little thicker and significantly heavier. What makes them think it wouldn't do much worse to something as comparatively huge as the iPad Pro? There is nothing else with an Apple 3D touch screen that large, perhaps they haven't developed a reasonable way to make that work yet. I wouldn't be surprised if the iPad Pro 2 also didn't have 3D touch just given the size. I'm hoping it makes it to the Air 3, but I hope it's not another "iPad 3", thicker and heavier than the ultra light Air 2.
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What if someone doesn't need a full desktop OS or doesn't care about Windows? Why do people assume their needs are everybody else's needs too?
Those people can just watch Netflix or play Candy Crush, nothing wrong with that except that's a lot of money for entertainment.
Of course, support costs are much lower on the Mac side. Ask IBM.
People aren't exactly raving over Windows 10's fast performance, I don't know. Also odd that you think only Mac OS X has bugs...? In the end, the only clock that matters is the one on the wall. Funny you think that "more and more" people are moving to Windows in the pro world, when I see the opposite, more and more people choosing Macs. Maybe it's a break even thing
Windows has always been a comparative mess for Pro Audio. Sure your box is cheaper, but then you have to worry about interaction between your specific motherboard or computer manufacturer, your software, *and* what Microsoft did that month with Windows. I would be interested to see your data backing up people moving towards Windows for music. Money is money, but a lot of musicians would rather have the best tool, not the cheapest one possible. Otherwise companies like Waves wouldn't even be in business I'm still struggling to understand why this is the top rated comment.