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Then I suppose you're willing to spend 6500$ for the OS X Pad?

That's what you got out of that? A point that wasn't even being made?

Ok, sure. I would. Currently I've got two offices full of those $6500 MBP/Cintiq systems. If for whatever unimaginable reason Apple saw fit to charge $6500 to build a MacBook Pro without a keyboard base but with an iPad Pro display instead, it would still have the advantage over our current workstations, because our architects and engineers would be able to pass them around the office with ease, without taking up entire desks specially made to hold them.
 
So you mean the iPad Pro beat Intel integrated graphics? WOW! That's a pretty damn high bar to beat! :rolleyes:

What's sad is that Apple cares more about the GPU on their toy iPads than they do their professional Macbook lines. But then we all know they don't give a crap of they would have updated OpenGL to the latest standards ages ago (and no Metal doesn't replace OpenGL fully, especially in its current state).

To those that think Macs in general should move to ARM, consider some of us (me for certain) GONE if they do so. We would lose all the benefits of Intel compatibility (easier ports of applications and games from Windows and the ability to boot into Windows if needed). It'd be like going back to early PPC (when they didn't suck compared to Intel). No software library. No games. WTF good would a marginal improvement in CPU speeds (if any existed at the desktop level) do you if your have no software? Oy vei! You could run crapperific iOS Apps!!! Woohooo!
Intel integrated GPUs (used on MacBooks) are decent...
Maybe Macs in general shouldn't move to ARM, but considering performance showed here, niche computers like MacBook or 11" MBA could take advantage of those fanless powerful SoCs.
Who cares about games ?
 
Well got the iPad pro and yes it is fast...very fast.

Pencil is still 3 weeks out but played with one at the store and it is wicked precise (I am an artist and full time professional photographer and wacom user).

Not replacing wacom yet but wow is this a slick machine. The on screen keyboard is a regular layout and the easiest I have ever typed on using standard typing.

However, my thumbs are killing me I have been stretching to reach things.

Do not underestimate how big this thing is....it is VERY big (and crazy thin)
 
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Exactly. That Windows certification kit was not totally written at Microsoft. Most of it was authored by PC manufacturers (HP, Dell, etc.) to make sure nothing was in there that killed hardware margins. Microsoft was doing their best to keep custom builds of the OS where only third party drivers for hardware altered the final OS install.

Wow talk about made up "facts". The hardware certification is indeed created and defined by Microsoft.
 
I think the problem with iPads (their general flagging sales, not just the iPad Pro, but it'll greatly impact it as well) is that by Apple's logic, it should have an OS all its own. iOS is really meant for lightweight, fast navigation. I like it on iPhone so much more than Android because I can navigate so much faster, everything is clearly organized and labeled, and in my opinion, a phone does not need a filing system. With a device the size of a phone, the simpler it is the better.

In the same fashion, Mac OS is perfect for Macs because while it's still mostly straightforward, it has more functionality since you have a bigger, more powerful, more expensive device to work with. Filing system, Internet app downloads, trackpad/mouse for more nimble navigation, all that stuff.

The iPad, per Apple's mantra, is a device somewhere in the middle that should be able to replace a lot of people's laptops. Steve Jobs's big claim was that eventually computers will be like trucks: everyone used to have a truck, but now just some people have a truck. Trucks still sell, but they don't sell as much as a sleek, lighter sedan (an iPad).

But the problem we're seeing is that the iPad needs to grow into its own. Instead of running a blown up phone OS, it really should run its own OS that's more powerful than iOS and less powerful than Mac OS. Then they could really go to town with Apple Pencil and keyboard functionality exclusive to iPad. That would make it a much bigger draw to me and, I suspect, lots of other people. Have it support old iOS apps, sure, but a design that's a bit more compelling than a grid of apps on a 13" screen would make a world of difference in getting people interested.

I'll also throw my two cents in and say that it's a bit rich for Cook to call the Surface Book diluted when the iPad Pro is launching with a keyboard accessory (for when it stands upright) and a stylus (for when it lies flat). C'mon Apple, if you're going to claim you have a "clear vision" then pick the one you think is best for the iPad and stick to it (I'll give you a hint: it's lying flat. Laptops have screens facing you; tablets should differ if they're going to be their own category, though I'd love to see some technology that makes typing on a glass screen... Less like typing on a glass screen).

In general I feel like Apple is doing great on hardware post-Jobs, but they don't quite have things running smoothly with their software. Not that I'm an engineer, I'm aware that software is pretty much impossible to make perfect, but late 2000's Apple software, from what I can tell, was about as close to flawless as you can get.

Maybe an OS for each device, and two year revamp cycles instead of 1? I mean keep releasing patches/updates, but maybe if there didn't need to be a new OS X and iOS every single year the software guys could make things run smoother.
 
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dumastudetto is right though. If a tablet is for you this is the Maserattti of tablets.

Not everyone wants, needs, or can use a tablet for what they need - without question this is the best on the market right now.
One of the fundamentals of communication is learning how to spell correctly "Maserattti" ?
 
4-5 week shipping times now for the Apple Pencil. These lead times have been getting crazy lately.
 
There's no doubt this is the most impressive tablet anyone has ever built. Performance is staggering and all the reviews I've read are hugely positive.

If you want the best possible tablet experience, there is no doubt iPad Pro is the device you quite simply must own.
The best possible tablet experience? It's still a bigger iphone, with an overpriced stylus i don't need and it runs iphone apps i can already run on my phone or on a smaller cheaper iPad.
No MacOSX, no buy.
 
What makes you think this is a response to the surface garbage???

Are you serious???

Let's see, Cook specifically mentions or alludes to the product, Jobs originally said there would be no need for another sized device and yet magically Apple first builds a smaller iPad (in response to market forces) and now builds a bigger "Pro" version. I think you don't understand marketing and such, go where the money is if you want to stay in your billions of dollars.

Oh and if you don't think Microsoft just came up with the Surface because they knew their product base needed a Pad think again.

It's all about making money and we consumers love it getting better products as a result
 
Great hardware, terrible iOS. It's almost like apple doesn't understand users' needs. A ferarri with $100 tires. A concord jet plane with 1/4" tank capacity. A motorcycle that has 85mpg but gas distance of 50 miles.

When will apple get that you cannot fit a square peg in a round hole and look great doing it? Anyone who buys this has too much disposable income and in its current iOS 9 form a complete waste of hardware.

None of these reviewers dare offend Apple by saying the iPad pro sucks. It's so biased these reviews just call it out for what it is! An oversized iPad air! iOS really shouldn't be used in any other form than on a smartphone.

I think they do understand their market and they claimed it was not made for most of us. The software will improve over time which will make Pro even more amazing - just like the iPhone when it came out, everyone wanted the full desktop version until the software matured. Personally, I have no use for a pro with or without el captain; and maybe el captain would slow the Pro down so much that you would be complaining about the speed. Give apple time and they will deliver the perfect product for you.
 
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Sorry.. Shoulda given more context for those who don't shoot photos as a business. Sure, I've edited the odd photo here and there on vacation on my iPad. I've even used Lightroom Mobile to make selections for editing a couple of times. However the thought of fully editing the raw format files for an entire photoshoot on an iPad is utterly unreasonable. The idea is just ludicrous with the current software. Depending on the type of shoot the number of photos could range from 300 or 400 to thousands of photos. One would have to be desperate or masochistic to do that all on an iPad with the current software options and OS. It's just not conducive to such work.
For sure, it depends on what you do and the amount of work, however that doens't mean professional. I can be a professional by taking a single photography and sell it.

People who don't shoot DSLRs for business or serious hobby don't understand. They generally think about their iPhone pics. Beyond photoshop is an extensive number of plugins that would also need to be available on iOS. Regardless, the iPad Pro is an iPad Plus - not a Pro.
Well, my Canon 7D is a great camera and I know how to work with it and I know too its pros, and cons but, I can tell you that sometimes I prefer my iPhone (the 4).
 
The most ironic thing about all that graphical power is that it will never be fully utilised by the time it's superseded by the Pro 2. As is the case for most modern iOS devices. There won't be an app that can't run on that thing or even stretch it for years.

So, it will be future proof?
 
I think it's pretty shortsighted to demand OSX. If there were truly professional grade apps on iOS that did take advantage of the hardware, then problem solved, right? That's exactly what Apple is trying to do. AutoCAD, Adobe, IBM, and others have publicly announced their professional apps are coming to iOS. It might be the case now that the ipad pro just runs simple iphone/ipad apps on a giant screen, and that is a very legitimate reason to put off buying one, but that won't be the case forever. It's pretty obvious that this is the route Apple is taking instead of putting OSX on an ipad.
 
What makes you think this is a response to the surface garbage???

I guess the fact Surface has sold to millions over the years and Microsoft has left their normal model of doing business means nothing to you. Just junk and billions of dollars wasted.

No you're right Apple and Microsoft have never competed nor responded to the other's marketing moves. I'm just dreaming this stuff up because of some bad pizza and craft beer I had last night.
 
One of the fundamentals of communication is learning how to spell correctly "Maserattti" ?

I am often lecturing my 12-year-old on the technique of distracting from the discussion by majoring on the minors. It is what one does when they are either wrong or lacking in something of value to add.

But I digress.

Today I will be using the surface as well as the iPad. Unless I am at a desk with a couple of monitors, operating systems exhaust me. I just want to write and work....not manage an OS. No doubt some will dislike IOS or Android because they cannot tweak things, but having spent nearly a decade of my life as a technology coordinator....it is nice just to open an app and work.
 
Today I will be using the surface as well as the iPad. Unless I am at a desk with a couple of monitors, operating systems exhaust me. I just want to write and work....not manage an OS. No doubt some will dislike IOS or Android because they cannot tweak things, but having spent nearly a decade of my life as a technology coordinator....it is nice just to open an app and work.

These days, I'd almost say that messing with the operating system is almost something you elect to do, rather than have to do.
 
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I like both. Suffice it to say, some folks in the real world don't mind having choice and deciding between a device that is a larger more capable iPad, or a tablet that tries to be a laptop. I don't like the price of the Surface Book, but I do like and see the need even in my own day to day.

I can't say that for the iPad Pro, but that doesn't mean that it's lacking.
 
No, no, no, didn't you hear? It's supposed to be a PC replacement. It's supposed to be Microsoft Surface. It's supposed to be running iOSX. It's supposed to make you a grilled cheese sandwich. Apple PROMISED all these things.

And I was hoping that it would clean my car...damn!
 
So you want a laptop? Good thing Apple still makes those.

People just don't know what they want. The tablet needs to become a laptop and the laptop needs to become a tablet. Perhaps Apple just needs to change the name of the products and these people seem to be all happy and than after a year or so report the same trick to keep them happy.
 
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