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Neither the Surface Pro or Book "excel" at being a tablet, they lack the touch apps, and the Book isn't a great tablet- heavy, poor battery life... It's a better than nothing tablet that you can detach if the keyboard is somehow in the way.

The surface Pro 3 does excel at being a tablet. It has touch apps and even regular apps now can be easily used with touch. The tablet part of the book isn't heavy at all. Again, use a surface pro if you want longer battery life. However, "Pros" use a tablet less than full OS the majority of the time. iPad Pro is an iPad plus with a stick poking out of the bottom when you need more pencil juice. the battery on my surface pro pen is still going after more than a year of use.
 
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To all of you who keep throwing out OS X as a good thing for a tablet. It's not. The OS is not made for touch. The apps do not have UI that would be good for touch. OS X isn't exactly swimming in applications as a desktop OS, and would be basically starting fresh with an OS not designed or optimized for touch/ARM and no applications.

At that point, might as well get a Surface.
 
Looking at the charts, I had the same feeling.

Apple said very plainly when they switched to Cali names that they want a naming structure for the next ten years. The year after that is when I think OS X goes away and ARM takes over.
 
The Mac Book has never been impressive. The only positive is that it is fanless.

Mac Book Airs are very good machines with balanced designs. The Mac Book was designed to be fanless. That pretty much says it aLl.

Well the Macbook Air is lighter-use from the Macbook Pro, so the MacBook is lighter-use of the MacBook Air.
Macbook < MacBook Air < MacBook Pro

You're right; it's my fault for still viewing this from the paradigm of the "old" MacBook (such as the late-2008 I owned - since sold to a friend and it's still alive and kicking - and which I sometimes have felt was a more rock-solid machine than my current 2012 MacBook Pro). When it came out, I saw the MacBook Air as a "lower tier" version of that MacBook (not to sell it short; my wife has one and loves it). So by my logic (correct me if I'm wrong) says we used to have this:

"MacBook < MacBook Pro", then along came the MacBook Air which gave us "MacBook Air < MacBook < MacBook Pro"

Now, with the "Mac Mini-ification" (i.e. neutering) of the MacBook, we now have:

"MacBook < MacBook Air < [nothing] < MacBook Pro"

So if I'm indeed correct, it's just yet another troubling instance of lost ground in the Mac lineup.
 
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Surface Book is deluded? Tim, you'd sell a lot more of these iPad Pros if users were able to run OS X on it and pair a mouse with it. Better yet, let the iPad Pro run OS X and also run iOS apps. Best of both worlds, but then Apple would probably charge $1,299 minimum for it.

Ummm I think you just described the new MacBooks minus the iOS. But then if that happened then there would be no need for the iPads, or the vise-vera MacBook, MacBook Air ......Just saying
 
I don't think the two are equivalent. The surface is trying to do everything that a laptop can do but in tablet form. Tim says the iPad Pro will replace laptops for many people. Meaning that it can't necessarily do everything that a laptop can, just the things that most people use a laptop for.

While I do agree that the Surface is deluded in what it is trying to be, I do not agree that Tim should be speaking out against it. It sends the message that Tim is actually intimidated by it and therefor has to bad mouth it. Instead of acting as though it is of so little concern to him to even be worth commenting on.

It's rare for anyone at Apple to actually mention a product by name. Basically sends the message that it definitely caught Tim's attention, at the very least. The Surface Book is hitting right into Apple territory with it's premium build quality, form factor, performance, and price range.
 
Surface Book is deluded? Tim, you'd sell a lot more of these iPad Pros if users were able to run OS X on it and pair a mouse with it. Better yet, let the iPad Pro run OS X and also run iOS apps. Best of both worlds, but then Apple would probably charge $1,299 minimum for it.

Oh god no!!! What are you suggesting?!? Tim wants to first sell you brand new professional tablet and after that he wants to sell you brand new ultra super retina MBP which is must for those who want to do realy realy professional stuff like write with real keyboard, use real photoshop or edit with something other than iMovie.
 
I don't think iPad Pro is aimed at casual users. I think it's primarily targeted towards enterprise and creative markets. Enterprise needed a larger screen and more horsepower for custom apps. I don't think we'll ever see touch OS X, as some seem to want. And while I don't see iOS and OS X merging in the near future, I do think iOS will replace OS X in the long run.
 
I agree with this... The iPad Pro is basically a less functional Surface Pro. I don't really think the SurfaceBook will be very popular or sell very well... But it is innovative. Microsoft is already moving on from the basic all in one tablet/laptop idea. Apple has not even reached that point yet.

I want OS X, so I will stick to Apple laptops, but if the iPad Pro was the Apple version of the Surface Pro.... I'd be at the Apple store right now (and then promptly back home online selling my iPad Air 2 and MBA!). But I'm not going to pay $800+ for a device that I will basically only read PDFs on, which my Air 2 can do now. There are those that will find the Pro amazingly useful... It just has no place for me as long as I already have a tablet.

Considering that the Surface doesn't sell that well despite the constant chatter on tech sites, and the tablet portions sucks and the laptop portion isn't that great. Yes, I've used it. Not sure what the hell you're talking about.
 
And then no developer is going to write software for OS X anymore. ARM and x86 are completely different in every way, shape and form and also keep in mind x86-based Macs are still around.

Not so. As of a year or two ago, when developers submit to the iOS and OS X app stores via Xcode, they don't actually submit a fully compiled project to Apple. Instead it uploads a platform independent file to Apple's servers, then Apple handles actually generating the executable that the customers download.

The idea is to make it so that when new versions of ARM or x86 comes out, developers don't need to recompile and resubmit to take advantage of new stuff. Apple handles the final compilation from the platform independent file to the actual executable binary.

So any app that has been updated within the past 2 years is ready for the change in architecture when OS X moves from Intel to ARM (or to any other architecture, for that matter.)
 
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So the Pro has a multi core score of 5498 while the Air 2 comes in at 4489. That's ... quite underwhelming. I thought it would be a far bigger gap than that.
Actually it's really impressive because the Air 2 has a triple core while the iPad Pro is only a dual core.
 
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There's no doubt this is the most impressive tablet anyone has ever built. Performance is staggering and all the reviews I've read are hugely positive.

If you want the best possible tablet experience, there is no doubt iPad Pro is the device you quite simply must own.

No, no, no, didn't you hear? It's supposed to be a PC replacement. It's supposed to be Microsoft Surface. It's supposed to be running iOSX. It's supposed to make you a grilled cheese sandwich. Apple PROMISED all these things.
 
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