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Try this, list your daily activity on a non-gaming lap-top. Do you need a full windows or Mac OS to do these? Tired of people saying iPad Pro doesn't run full OS.....
 
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I'll buy one when:

1. It comes with a physical keyboard.
2. It's as light as my MB 12"
3. It runs OSX.
4. It has a SSD with at least 500g
5. It will run xCode.
6. It has the full OSX file system.

Until then it's a big iPad, which has a place but falls short of an OSX based system.

Notice Microsoft has distance itself from the ARM processors and put its focus into the Intel, full featured side of the fence. Apple can mock all they want, but Windows hardware is gaining ground. Now if they can just run OSX on the latest Intel Surface and Book they might really have something.

I would love to use the "Pencil" on a touchscreen OSX MB 12" or some version as light!

So you want a laptop? Good thing Apple still makes those.
 
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Apple released the iPad Pro on the Apple Online Store and at select Apple Retail Stores and resellers earlier today, and we have rounded up some interesting facts and news announcements surrounding the 12.9-inch tablet.

iPad Pro Delivers Notebook-Level Performance
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Geekbench results show that the iPad Pro's A9X processor is a dual-core chip running at about 2.25 GHz, as reported by Ars Technica.

The A9X chip had a 3,233 single-core score and 5,498 multi-score score in browser-based CPU tests, outperforming the iPad Air 2 and other recent iPhones and iPads by a significant margin.

iPad Pro also outperformed the 12-inch Retina MacBook, equipped with an Intel Core M dual-core processor clocked at 1.1 to 1.2 GHz, but the A9X chip's CPU performance falls short of devices like the 2015 MacBook Air and Surface Pro 4 with Intel's latest Broadwell or Skylake U-series processors.

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Ars Technica also shared iPad Pro CPU performance results

The iPad Pro's GPU performance is much more impressive, with GFXBench OpenGL test results showing the A9X chip outperformed the 2015 15" Retina MacBook Pro with Intel Iris 5200 integrated graphics, in addition to the 12-inch MacBook, 2015 MacBook Air, 2015 13" Retina MacBook Pro, Surface Pro 4 and all recent iPads.Apple Pencil is Weighted

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Lauren Goode of The Verge shared an interesting anecdote about the Apple Pencil in her iPad Pro review:Read our iPad Pro review roundup.

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T-Mobile Financing for iPad Pro

T-Mobile has announced the iPad Pro will be available November 18. Eligible customers can finance their iPad Pro purchase through the carrier's JUMP! On Demand program, starting at $199.99 upfront with $34/month payments.

T-Mobile has a sign-up page to receive an email alert when orders can be placed. Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard will also be available on T-Mobile for $99 and $169 respectively starting November 18.

Apple Store Availability

iPad Pro launched today with limited in-store stock at select Apple Retail Stores in the United States, Canada, United Kingdom and some other countries. Personal Pickup is available in U.S. stores.

Most Apple Stores have not received stock of the Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard, while online shipping estimates currently range between 3-4 weeks in the U.S. and many other countries for the accessories.

Tim Cook Calls Microsoft's Surface Book "Deluded"

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The Irish Independent has published an interview with Apple CEO Tim Cook about the company's plans to expand in Ireland, iPad Pro and more, with his comment about Microsoft's new Surface Book drawing some attention:Follow our iPad Pro timeline for the latest news about the 12.9-inch tablet.

Article Link: iPad Pro Tidbits: A9X Outperforms MacBook, Apple Pencil is Weighted, T-Mobile Financing and More

Remarks like that from Cook Tarnish Apple.
 
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I'll probably get some hate for saying this, but the Apple store employee isn't what they used to be. Many years ago, you work there, you know the product and you love the product. These days, you just get folks who has gone through some official training (probably works there because it sounds better than working somewhere else). I bet that many people on Macrumors will outperform many of the people currently working in the Apple store.

I couldn't agree more. I was at the Genius Bar one day and another customer was working with a "Genius" and I overheard the customer asking how to enlarge the desktop icons. After about 3 minutes of watching him try and figure it out, I showed him. Crazy!!
 
Surface Book is deluded? Tim, you'd sell a lot more of these iPad Pros if users were able to run OS X on it and pair a mouse with it. Better yet, let the iPad Pro run OS X and also run iOS apps. Best of both worlds, but then Apple would probably charge $1,299 minimum for it.

Please, please, please never design products. You can't come up with these things in a vacuum. You are describing a backward reality than never pushes things forward. In actual fact you just want a laptop. You say you want both but you Sir are very much a truck driver. Drive a truck, keep driving a truck and the iPad will evolve underneath and around you to become something you can't imagine in a 30-second MacRumors post.
 
I have no problems using it in my recliner or as a tablet. No surface required on my part.

I use my SP4 sitting back with my legs up all the time. It works perfect there.

But if I were sitting straight up in a small chair, it wouldn't work nearly as well as a traditional laptop. But that isn't that big of a deal for me, since 99.9% of the time, I have a surface to put my Surface on. And when I don't, I use it as a tablet.
 
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To all of you who keep throwing out OS X as a good thing for a tablet. It's not. The OS is not made for touch. The apps do not have UI that would be good for touch. OS X isn't exactly swimming in applications as a desktop OS, and would be basically starting fresh with an OS not designed or optimized for touch/ARM and no applications.

At that point, might as well get a Surface.

We've been hearing Apple defend iOS this way from the start, we don't really need to hear the same nonsense repeated by fans. As has been explained in every thread it's come up in, to run a touch OS on a small display, you need an optimized OS and applications. Together, they make an unbeatable mobile device. A full-sized tablet, with 13 or 15 inch display and full featured OS and application suite, is not first & foremost a mobile device. It is a big work surface for doing real on-screen professional work. It works fantastically, and we don't even have to argue hypotheticals, we can simply point to our large touchscreen Wacom cintiq's plugged into our Macs, as evidence that it's the finest Mac experience there is. Unfortunately, it's also about a $6500 package and is in no way even really practically moveable from one desk to another, much less a lap, at all.

Apple is simply milking sales off the status quo product line for as long as they can by prolonging the inevitable. Ten years from now, when Apple is finally on board with everyone else, the excuses explaining the delay will flow like wine.
 
Please, please, please never design products. You can't come up with these things in a vacuum. You are describing a backward reality than never pushes things forward. In actual fact you just want a laptop. You say you want both but you Sir are very much a truck driver. Drive a truck, keep driving a truck and the iPad will evolve underneath and around you to become something you can't imagine in a 30-second MacRumors post.

It's not like the iPad Pro is in its own world of difference compared to the SP line. It does have one big advantage: every app on it is designed for touch. But it's about as heavy, and a little larger. It wont' be as comfortable for iPadish stuff as the classic 10" iPad is.

And the keyboard? It's nice, but without a trackpad, you'll be doing the gorilla arm thing more often than not, which has always been the traditional bugbear for hybrids. The iPP doesn't do a thing to solve that.

So it's not like we're seeing an entirely new revolution of usability here. It has a couple of big advantanges, and a couple of big disadvantages compared to the SP line, which ultimately puts them both about on par with each other.

If traditional laptops and PCs are trucks, and tablets are cars, then the iPP and SPs are Camaros with a lift kit.
 
Considering that the Surface doesn't sell that well despite the constant chatter on tech sites, and the tablet portions sucks and the laptop portion isn't that great. Yes, I've used it. Not sure what the hell you're talking about.

Huh? It does sell well and is growing quarter over quarter where iPad is declining. iPad is selling more, but they have to do something to reverse the trend. Hence the (poor) surface pro replica: iPad pro.
 
Actually it's really impressive because the Air 2 has a triple core while the iPad Pro is only a dual core.

The Pro's score is impressive in that by having an extra core it only manages to his mid 5000's while the Air 2 hits mid 4000's. I really thought the Pro would hit the 7's or even 8's. I don't think a gain of 1000 points after adding an extra core is that great.

The single core score is incredible though, up in the 3,000's.
 
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Try this, list your daily activity on a non-gaming lap-top. Do you need a full windows or Mac OS to do these? Tired of people saying iPad Pro doesn't run full OS.....

The problem isn't "daily" mundane "web" surfing tasks. It's those times when you need to kick it into a "advanced" use mode to power through a task. Which iOS just doesn't have the capacity to do without prior modification (be it 3rd party apps to add pseudo-file systems, or outright Jailbreaking).

If all I'm going to do with the "tablet" is "web surf" and check email, those "non-gaming daily activities", I can get a far cheaper tablet either from Apple's own lineup OR from a competing OEM.

When you're selling Laptop like performance, at laptop like prices, without an OS that can actually do Laptop level tasks, you have a failed/nich device. Hurts even more that those laptops come with more storage capacity/options to boot (lack of USB and lack of SD card on iPad 'Pro').

Turn it around and look at the Surface Pro 4, in tablet mode it runs more or less like iOS, when you use Touch focused applications for those "daily" things. But when you need the utility spike for something more serious you can flip it around and drop an external keyboard and mouse on it. Plus you can access additional storage solutions very simply. At about the same price point.
 
It made me fairly irritated when I heard this earlier. I stopped and thought to myself, "Apple, why are you making arrogant comments? The SB is a really cool product and has far more potential to replace a computer than the iPad Pro."

Apple better cut the arrogant comments, because it will only hurt their public image after a short time.

Think "diluted" not "deluded". Diluted focus is true, deluded capability is not (at least recently).
 
OK

I'll buy one when:

1. It comes with a physical keyboard.
2. It's as light as my MB 12"
3. It runs OSX.
4. It has a SSD with at least 500g
5. It will run xCode.
6. It has the full OSX file system.
Seems you want an the Macbook Air of the future.
 
Not so. As of a year or two ago, when developers submit to the iOS and OS X app stores via Xcode, they don't actually submit a fully compiled project to Apple. Instead it uploads a platform independent file to Apple's servers, then Apple handles actually generating the executable that the customers download.

The idea is to make it so that when new versions of ARM or x86 comes out, developers don't need to recompile and resubmit to take advantage of new stuff. Apple handles the final compilation from the platform independent file to the actual executable binary.

So any app that has been updated within the past 2 years is ready for the change in architecture when OS X moves from Intel to ARM (or to any other architecture, for that matter.)
That's app store apps only.

Things like the Adobe suite or Steam or Cinema4D would require a full rewrite.
 
We've been hearing Apple defend iOS this way from the start, we don't really need to hear the same nonsense repeated by fans. As has been explained in every thread it's come up in, to run a touch OS on a small display, you need an optimized OS and applications. Together, they make an unbeatable mobile device. A full-sized tablet, with 13 or 15 inch display and full featured OS and application suite, is not first & foremost a mobile device. It is a big work surface for doing real on-screen professional work. It works fantastically, and we don't even have to argue hypotheticals, we can simply point to our large touchscreen Wacom cintiq's plugged into our Macs, as evidence that it's the finest Mac experience there is. Unfortunately, it's also about a $6500 package and is in no way even really practically moveable from one desk to another, much less a lap, at all.

Apple is simply milking sales off the status quo product line for as long as they can by prolonging the inevitable. Ten years from now, when Apple is finally on board with everyone else, the excuses explaining the delay will flow like wine.

Then I suppose you're willing to spend 6500$ for the OS X Pad?
 
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There's no doubt this is the most impressive tablet anyone has ever built. Performance is staggering and all the reviews I've read are hugely positive.

If you want the best possible tablet experience, there is no doubt iPad Pro is the device you quite simply must own.
Where's that "I for one welcome our..." or "try not to choke on that" emoji when you need them?
 
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I'm glad Apple doesn't listen some users that most likely come with windoze/pc/microsoft tendencies of putting everything that exists in one single device, don't matter of that is. I must say that it is a much better experience to paint/draw on an iPad with Procreate than have the bloatware of Photoshop trying to run smoothly with a bunch of buttons and preferences not needed for a tablet.
Every jack to his trade.
 
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