IPad Pro vs iPad Air 3

[Aluminum213]

iPad Air 3 could have an A100000 processor, doesn't mean anything as the iPad Air 2 is still very fast will do exactly the same things


without pencil support, iPad Air 3 sales are going to be record low for the iPad

 

[stevemiller]

iPad Air 3 could have an A100000 processor, doesn't mean anything as the iPad Air 2 is still very fast will do exactly the same things


without pencil support, iPad Air 3 sales are going to be record low for the iPad

I'm really hoping apple has the same line of thinking.

The step up from the air 2 to the pro is already not *that* impressive in multi-core benchmarks. looks like 10-20%. Unless they are planning to outclass the pro, the performance upgrades are going to be fairly modest.

I'm hoping apple will see that the best way to promote *new* growth is pencil support, which offers genuinely new functionality over the previous model. I know its just personal preference, but a camera flash and speaker upgrades just don't interest me at all. I'm sure they're nice touches, but I just can't see them driving that many purchase decisions. I know I've never once lamented their absence on my "ancient" ipad 3.

 

[Aluminum213]

I'm really hoping apple has the same line of thinking.

The step up from the air 2 to the pro is already not *that* impressive in multi-core benchmarks. looks like 10-20%. Unless they are planning to outclass the pro, the performance upgrades are going to be fairly modest.

I'm hoping apple will see that the best way to promote *new* growth is pencil support, which offers genuinely new functionality over the previous model. I know its just personal preference, but a camera flash and speaker upgrades just don't interest me at all. I'm sure they're nice touches, but I just can't see them driving that many purchase decisions. I know I've never once lamented their absence on my "ancient" ipad 3.

iPad Sales show that releasing the exact thing over and over again with the only difference with it being faster, shows no growth in sales

Apple is the iPhone company, the iPad obviously lost support at iPad years ago

 

[gorkt]

If they include pencil support, I'll be all over the iPad Air 3. The standard iPad size is the sweet spot for me for being both highly portable and big enough for some light productivity, and if I want only one IPad, thats my favorite form factor. The iPad pro would stay at home 95% of the time if I got one. I considered trading in my Air 2 for a Mini 3 for portability plus an Ipad Pro for home but can't justify having two iPads.

 

[AlexJoda]

If they include pencil support, I'll be all over the iPad Air 3. The standard iPad size is the sweet spot for me for being both highly portable and big enough for some light productivity, and if I want only one IPad, thats my favorite form factor. The iPad pro would stay at home 95% of the time if I got one. I considered trading in my Air 2 for a Mini 3 for portability plus an Ipad Pro for home but can't justify having two iPads.

For portability I have my iPhone....While I am traveling I take my iPP in my bag with me. It weights nearly the same as the iPads 1-4 and the size is no problem until every bag or trolley take something that has the size of a standard A4 journal. Besides that it is much more useful for me doing remote work on my VMs because the screen resolution is big enough now to work comfortable (hope they will support the Pencil for this kind of usage soon...).

 

[stevemiller]

To be clear. I'm not bashing the iPad pro. choice is good. I'm sure there are lots of people for whom it's the ideal fit.

All I know is after owning the iPad 3, I decided the iPad as a tool didn't really fit for me. I constantly preferred my phone or laptop for just about everything I tried to do on it.

Every iPad that came out after didn't really change my mind on the matter. The pencil was the first thing that made me stop and say "hey, that IS an appealing sounding tool for me".

But at $1000+, there was still no way I could justify it. The air + pencil on the other hand would be right at the edge of an indulgence I could justify.

With iPad sales continually sagging a bit, it just feels weird for Apple to withhold a genuinely interesting new feature to upsell a device that is probably going to be priced out of most people's budgets.

 

[Commy1]

If the the A9X runs the iPad Pro as well as it does, I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination that it'll preform better in the iPad Air with a smaller screen. I'm probably going to go with the Air, simply because the Pro doesn't offer enough and the Air is so much cheaper even with full specs.

 

[Smeaton1724]

If the the A9X runs the iPad Pro as well as it does, I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination that it'll preform better in the iPad Air with a smaller screen. I'm probably going to go with the Air, simply because the Pro doesn't offer enough and the Air is so much cheaper even with full specs.

Based on UK Pricing you can get an Air 2 128GB with Cellular for £659, the same iPad Pro is £899. Big jump if they stay the same with the new one! 256GB plus cellular at £899 would soften the blow.... They'll have to do something as the Pro will be completely outpriced by the Air if feature wise they have parity.

 

[Channan]

If the the A9X runs the iPad Pro as well as it does, I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination that it'll preform better in the iPad Air with a smaller screen. I'm probably going to go with the Air, simply because the Pro doesn't offer enough and the Air is so much cheaper even with full specs.

Unless the processor is clocked lower than the one in the iPad Pro.

 

[PattyMc]

I just don't think Apple is going to come out 4 months later with an Air3 that has the exact same specs as IPP for a lower price, that doesn't even make good business sense to me and I'm not an Apple shareholder, lol.

If they did in fact release the Air3 with specs same as IPad Pro then I would expect a price increase, and I don't know if many will be as eager to purchase then, seems most want the same specs and keep Air2 pricing.

It's going to be interesting to see what comes out March 15th, I'm wondering who is going to be the most shocked, Air or Pro peeps!

 

[stevemiller]

I just don't think Apple is going to come out 4 months later with an Air3 that has the exact same specs as IPP for a lower price, that doesn't even make good business sense to me and I'm not an Apple shareholder, lol.

If they did in fact release the Air3 with specs same as IPad Pro then I would expect a price increase, and I don't know if many will be as eager to purchase then, seems most want the same specs and keep Air2 pricing.

It's going to be interesting to see what comes out March 15th, I'm wondering who is going to be the most shocked, Air or Pro peeps!

Good point. I'm not sure if I'd pay an extra $100 for an air with pencil support. But I know I definitely wouldn't buy it at all without it.

 

[Trahearne]

I just don't think Apple is going to come out 4 months later with an Air3 that has the exact same specs as IPP for a lower price, that doesn't even make good business sense to me and I'm not an Apple shareholder, lol.

The screen size is already different in the first place, which is the main differentiator of iPad Pro. Speaking of the recent rumours, using A9X does not mean it has the exact same spec. Obviously, they must bin the A9X to a lower profile to comply with Air 3's lesser battery and thermal design.

 

[Count Blah]

Unless the processor is clocked lower than the one in the iPad Pro.

It will be.

But the resolution may be less than the IPP. So it might even out.

 

[max2]

So which one did you get? I still can't decide and yes I been to Best Buy comparing the iPad Pro to the iPad Air 2 (which should be similar in weight and size as the iPad Air 3)

 

[The Game 161]

Once you go pro you can't go back to the air IMO

The screen size is what you get used to and the air screen will be too much.

I expect the air 3 to have 3GB of ram but no pencil support.

 

[Check 6]

Ok I'm missing something, how much operating Ram is in the IPAD Pro, not storage and how much in the Air 2

 

[max2]

Ok I'm missing something, how much operating Ram is in the IPAD Pro, not storage and how much in the Air 2

iPad Pro has 4 GB of ram
iPad Air 2 has 2 GB of ram

 

[jbachandouris]

The IPP was on sale at Best Buy.com for $50 off (4 hours only), but at $749, that's still a stretch. Then again the Air 2 128GB is $699.

I'm waiting until the March 15th announcement to see what I will do. If the Air 3 doesn't bring enough to the table, maybe I'll just buy another Air 2 at the hopefully lower price.

For magazines and the occasional TV show, I'm not sure the IPP is for me. I wish it was.

 

[Zimmy68]

I'm in the same boat. My iPad Air 2 screen cracked this weekend. To fix it, it would cost around $380.
I'd rather put that money into a new iPad.

I would love to find a good deal on a Pro and try it out before the Air 3 announcement.
Sadly, Best Buy's measly $50 off won't cut it, doesn't even cover the tax.
Amazon has prime ready sellers with the same price but tax free.

I'm leaning towards the Air 3 but if they don't include pencil support, I'm out.

 

[AlexJoda]

The IPP was on sale at Best Buy.com for $50 off (4 hours only), but at $749, that's still a stretch. Then again the Air 2 128GB is $699.

I'm waiting until the March 15th announcement to see what I will do. If the Air 3 doesn't bring enough to the table, maybe I'll just buy another Air 2 at the hopefully lower price.

For magazines and the occasional TV show, I'm not sure the IPP is for me. I wish it was.

The iPP is brilliant for magazines ! Because it has nearly the same size and this extremely sharp Retina display it is better than the real thing. I canceled my subscription of the real magazines recently because of this and read them now on the iPP. Never did that on the Air. TV Shows are also great because of the size and the amazing speakers...

 

[DanClark]

I have an iPhone 6S and an iPad Mini 2. If the iPad Air 3 has Pencil support, I'll buy it plus a pencil the first day! Full Stop.

Regarding whether the IPP being "best"? Nope. Not by a mile. In. My. Opinion. It is WAY too big. It won't won't fit in my current computer case and I don't want the extra weight. And it's very difficult to hold unless you have huge hands (I don't). IMO.

Conversely the iPad Air 3 is just right in both size and weight. It's far more usable in way more situations. IN MY OPINION.

Terms like "best", "worst", "bad", and "good" are just opinions and are definitely NOT facts. Opinions are related to your needs, wants, constraints, and pocketbook, and how well a specific product meets those.

For those people in this forum who think their opinion is the rule of law, then my message is, "Grow Up". Do not EVER presume that you have the capacity to understand my needs, wants, constraints, and pocketbook. Likewise I will never presume to define your needs, wants, constraints, and pocketbook because I don't have that capacity either. I can't see through your eyes and you can't see through mine.

Please... Argue facts or label your opinions as opinion, and never get them mixed up. Doing so runs the risk of pi$$ing people off and making them lose all respect for you. And yes, this is my opinion.

Dan.

 

[akdj]

iPad Pro is too big so...

For WHO?

Meant seriously, and with sincerity. That's ridiculous. I've had mine four months and it goes everywhere with me. It weighs the same as iPad's Genesis, yet resides in a ...disregard. I shouldn't have started.

Silly me. That's cool though. Spread fud, maybe some listen and sales pop up sooner than later so I can grab a couple more ...
too heavy? Too Much!

J

 

[mrklaw]

I disagree that apple wouldn't bring out the same specs in an iPad 3. Size is the most obvious differentiator for the iPad Pro. You want to use side by side a lot, then the pro gives you pretty much two iPad Air portrait screens side by side. That's a pretty big benefit if you need that feature. Likewise for artists the larger canvas is a big deal. An iPad Air 3 would have maybe 1/3 the available drawing space because you'd have a disproportionate amount used for tools etc. Way more real estate on the ipp.

Apple really should bring pencil support to iPad Air 3. iPad Air 2 is a new classic like the iPad 2. 2GB ram and plenty fast. A simple processor bump won't be enough to spur air 2 users to upgrade, and air 1 or earlier owners would find better value for money upgrading to the air 2 when it drops in price.

Plus Apple gets to sell more pencils to make money from accessories.

Plus Apple would massively increase the addressable market for pencil enabled apps. I'd guess the air line sells 3-4x the volume compared to ipp due mainly to price. That would seriously encourage more developers to produce more apps optimised for pencil. That's a win for ipp owners too and reinforces ipp as a design tool.


I don't personally think I'd upgrade to a pro, even though I usually use my iPad Air 2 on my lap on the sofa so weight shouldn't be an issue. just seems to big for casual use (although I do use my air as a TV a lot too with plex etc). I'll probably gamble on selling my air 2 now while prices are not too bad and then if air 3 has pencil support I'll get it. If not....then I'll maybe try an ipp for a few weeks and use the 30 day window to see how it fits with my use.
[doublepost=1456386201][/doublepost]Oh additionally - iPad Pro is insanely expensive in the UK. I was in Japan at Christmas and almost bought one there - about £500 equivalent vs £800 here.

 

[Noble Actual]

For WHO?

Meant seriously, and with sincerity. That's ridiculous. I've had mine four months and it goes everywhere with me. It weighs the same as iPad's Genesis, yet resides in a ...disregard. I shouldn't have started.

Silly me. That's cool though. Spread fud, maybe some listen and sales pop up sooner than later so I can grab a couple more ...
too heavy? Too Much!

J

Triggered much? Lol

Rereading some posts here and it's hilarious how defensive some people get although not to surprising.

Have an apple product that is too big. Literally people loose their **** like you just insulted their special someone.

Getting triggered because someone on an Internet forum said a product line which has multiple form factors has one that is too big.

Bahahaha

Why do you care so much?

I didn't even **** talk the iPad pro but seriously this thread has some good laughs.

LOL
[doublepost=1456389875][/doublepost]You mean too little right?

Or are you referring to the size difference being too much

 

[Apples n' Stone]

Ipad Pro is too big. I am all about the iPad 3. iPad Pro should have been a hybrid.

I was all about the iPad 3 too, new fangled Retina Display.
[doublepost=1456391385][/doublepost]If they put 4K in the Air 3 then it'll probably cannibalise iPad Pro sales which I'm not sure Apple will want to do. Although personally I'd like to have that in a 9.7" form factor as my Retina MacBook is my 12" device!
[doublepost=1456391589][/doublepost]

Unless the processor is clocked lower than the one in the iPad Pro.

I suppose the theory being that to drive said screen they needed a higher clock speed. If it's drastically lowerthen you'll be entirely correct - but we might have an iPhone 6 to iPad Mini 4 scenario with the different clock speeds. 2GB of RAM is enough for me but again, 4 would be a sensible upgrade for me.