iPad Pro iPad Pro will be a failure...

[daniel1948]

A tablet is not a laptop. Different devices for different uses. While putting a desktop OS on a tablet can be done, there's no good reason to do so. Yes, there are things better done on a desktop or laptop computer. There are things better done with a saw than with a hatchet and vice versa.

The iPad Pro will not sell as many units as the Air or the Mini because it is an expensive, upscale device for a smaller market. But it will be a success, as defined by making a profit for Apple and filling a niche that is empty without the Pro. With the Mini, the Air, and now the Pro, Apple will have a tablet for every segment of the tablet market. If you really need OS X, you need a MacBook or an iMac.

 

[OTACORB]

I dunno. I really wanted an iPad when it came out because it was a natural evolution after the iPod touch.

iPads get upgraded every 3 - 4 years but I just don't see the iPad Pro being a success for Apple. This is Tim Cook's failure to anticipate bringing the iOS interface to the next level. Bad vision and overall management of the software team.

Just look at them bungling the ATV rollout with nonexistent deals with media companies.

First of all Apple has pretty much made it clear this is an enterprise devices. They already have several large enterprise companies ready to buy these things. Then there will be those consumers that will buy them just because they are larger and new. To make a prediction that this won't be a success shows you haven't been paying attention to the direction that Apple is going.

Also I keep hearing this nonsense about bungling the ATV roll-out? Really! Apple has at no time announced any such deals with media companies. You've been reading too many Mac Rumors and assuming that Apple has been doing all this stuff. Where is your proof of this? All I've seen is rumors, absolutely NOTHING from Apple about this from Tim or any other senior management. The ATV Roll out has been working just fine. I love how some people ordered and because they didn't get it on Friday Apple had bungled the ATV roll-out. Yet I was able to pick one up at Best Buy the same day! LOL

The fact is, no one knows for sure, but if I was a betting man I wouldn't bet against the iPad Pro. Apple has fooled people that are a lot better at predicting tech than you.

 

[itbeme]

Amazing how some folks cannot break free from "it needs to be a PC replacement". Microsoft has built a new PC that doubles (poorly at that) as a Tablet. Apple has built a transformational device that is in a stage of an evolutionary cycle.

If you are so wed to a laptop - go buy one and stop crying on these forums about how Apple is going to fail. Last time I checked, BTW they're doing just fine, thank you.

 

[rowspaxe]

2. Photoshop - I'm aware there will be an iOS app coming out, question is will it offer all of the core functions... on the plus side the ability to use the pencil should be amazing. I'm happy enough that in time the program will offer everything.

There is no indication Adobe will offer full PS for ios.

For everything else I have Dropbox and iCloud Drive, which is essentially my filing system. Accessible offline, integrated with more and more apps as standard. I honestly can't see what I would be missing over using a MPB and I can definitely see what I would be gaining with a iPadPro!

Unfortunately, cloud storage is hugely inefficient for large file transfer. No mouse or trackpad pointing on the IPP makes it a loser at hybrid-ish tasks

 

[rowspaxe]

It's not anything like the Watch. The watch was a new idea, that has issues (major, as far as I can see). This iPad is nothing new, just an expansion of the line.

Actually--the watch is nothing new either. The ipad will succeed as an art device initially. Unlike the watch--it can do something well in its gen 1 release. The IPP plus pencil looks like a solid mobile sketch product--lack of adobe CC full apps notwithstanding. The IPP and ios may evolve quite a bit over the next 3 years. IMO--the product feels rushed and underdeveloped

 

[AZhappyjack]

Long time Apple user here...

The iPad Pro will be a big failure for Tim Cook. Really, he just doesn't have a long term vision for the tablet line. Bigger iPad with stylus, but same OS is honestly the dumbest thing Apple has come up with since the Apple Watch.

The iPad Pro needs to be able to run OSX or have some sort of file system as a lite replacement for a MacBook, otherwise it's just a glorified and expensive version of an iPad Air (which I sold to get a MBP)

Now I read Apple is investing resources to building a car. (Slaps forehead) Laughable Tim.

Apple is doomed. Again.

Actually, Apple will sell plenty of the iPad Pro models... and the Apple Pencil and everything else they make. They always do.

 

[AdonisSMU]

iOS is poorly suited to larger devices. Wasted screen space, wasted processing and graphical power. Apple is screwing up the Pro name and being lazy with tablet software optimization. The Pro will make money because it's Apple and a new Apple thing and if you need/want a larger than 9.7 inch iPad, it's the only game in town. I don't see it changing the game until Apple steals a few more things from other OSs and does something to stop free to play LCD garbage and nerfed versions of windows or Mac software from clogging up the app store.

See I think Apple made a mistake in not creating Xcode for iPads so people could create apps without their macs. I think creating apps is the missing puzzle piece. Otherwise, I'd say they have a winner for most if not all other purposes.

 

[AdonisSMU]

A tablet is not a laptop. Different devices for different uses. While putting a desktop OS on a tablet can be done, there's no good reason to do so. Yes, there are things better done on a desktop or laptop computer. There are things better done with a saw than with a hatchet and vice versa.

The iPad Pro will not sell as many units as the Air or the Mini because it is an expensive, upscale device for a smaller market. But it will be a success, as defined by making a profit for Apple and filling a niche that is empty without the Pro. With the Mini, the Air, and now the Pro, Apple will have a tablet for every segment of the tablet market. If you really need OS X, you need a MacBook or an iMac.

That is an interesting point. People always complain OSX is looking more like iOS but now Apple can focus on keeping them separate and resist the urge to rush into "dumbing down" OSX. App developers cann fill in the gaps in functionality between OSX and iOS versions as they see fit. People are blaming Apple because current apps dont already take advantage of the increased screen real estate in iPad Pro??? I personally like to test on the device before releasing new the features or better maximizing the additional real estate but thats just me.

 

[radus]

I owned every ipad from the first ... to the ipad air -- then I jumped to the i7 surface pro 3 and now I'm going to by the surface book i7.
no interest in an ipad anymore ... maybe when it is on paar with the surface ... running macos x, pen input using a pen having a long lasting battery and so on

 

[sunapple]

I don't think Tim Cook is the only one responsible for Apples design choices and products. In fact, I think it's Jonathan Ive who does all of this work. And Jony has the same team he's had for years, so they're probably doing the exact same thing with the exact same vision they had under Steve Jobs. After all, Steve thought them to.

I personally can't believe people are still not trusting Tim Cook (and Jony) with the leadership four whole years after Steve passed and I think the vision and plans for the product lines would've been the same with Steve here. Including possible mistakes which have happened under Jobs too.

 

[torana355]

The only reason it wont be a complete flop is the fact it has an Apple logo on it. Apple can sell damb near anything to people locked into the Apple ecosystem. Take the logos off the iPad Pro and the Microsoft Surface pro/book and i know which one most people would buy.

 

[Dave245]

The only reason it wont be a complete flop is the fact it has an Apple logo on it. Apple can sell damb near anything to people locked into the Apple ecosystem. Take the logos off the iPad Pro and the Microsoft Surface pro/book and i know which one most people would buy.

That would be until people started using the OS then they would know which one was Apple and which one was MS, I made the switch from Windows years ago and I wouldn't go back. Also design, the iPad has always had a great design, the Surface looks about 10 years old.

 

[sjleworthy]

The only reason it wont be a complete flop is the fact it has an Apple logo on it. Apple can sell damb near anything to people locked into the Apple ecosystem. Take the logos off the iPad Pro and the Microsoft Surface pro/book and i know which one most people would buy.

i buy Apple not because i'm locked into anything (i only own a single Apple item, my ipad2) but because that logo stands for superb outstanding quality. i know i'm getting the best when i buy Apple. no doubts what so ever.

take the logos and any link to Apple off then yes, i probably wouldn't buy it as it'd be the same as all the others. but it isn't.

Between the IP or SP series head to head, again without logo/branding? wouldn't buy any.
i'm in no need of a desktop operating tablet. i do like a 'tablet' tablet, but only if head and shoulders above the rest. Apple does this for me.

As i said, it's because Apple produce super outstanding works of art is why i invest

 

[paulvee]

Long time Apple user here...

The iPad Pro will be a big failure for Tim Cook. Really, he just doesn't have a long term vision for the tablet line. Bigger iPad with stylus, but same OS is honestly the dumbest thing Apple has come up with since the Apple Watch.

The iPad Pro needs to be able to run OSX or have some sort of file system as a lite replacement for a MacBook, otherwise it's just a glorified and expensive version of an iPad Air (which I sold to get a MBP)

Now I read Apple is investing resources to building a car. (Slaps forehead) Laughable Tim.

So I guess we get back to the old "if I don't need it, nobody needs it" meme?

Another representation of the extreme self-centeredness in society that we have reached. A lot of people will use the iPad Pro for things that you can probably not even imagine. Thanks for your opinion, we need them all.

 

[Amazing Ox Space Monkey]

Over and over I read the same argument about iOS and iPad Pro. Repeating the arguments against the iPad Pro won't make them more valid. The same discussion is being held under every (and I repeat, every) topic concerning the Pro. My, this place is really boring... I wonder why people start new topics provided they have nothing new to say. Just curious. This forum is worth visiting, but only if one only reads the headlines provided by the staff, most discussions are next to useless. Time to move on to another website. Happy regurgitating of the same arguments!

 

[Genkakuzai]

Sincerely doubt it.

 

[bydandie]

You sound delusional. You're pushing for the IPP to be a failure. It won't be. It will be awesome for a lot of reasons. #1 for me is the large screen for remote access to work computers and Citrix. Changing iOS for every device is the last thing Apple should do. They are doing the right thing letting the experience stay the same and making things rely on the apps.

I'd agree with this, with the death of Windows RT there is no tablet environment that has a screen big enough for real work. I can see this being a real boon for note taking and document creation, and the thing that has made iOS a success is the devs that take advantage of the different formats.

 

[Dave245]

i buy Apple not because i'm locked into anything (i only own a single Apple item, my ipad2) but because that logo stands for superb outstanding quality. i know i'm getting the best when i buy Apple. no doubts what so ever.

take the logos and any link to Apple off then yes, i probably wouldn't buy it as it'd be the same as all the others. but it isn't.

Between the IP or SP series head to head, again without logo/branding? wouldn't buy any.
i'm in no need of a desktop operating tablet. i do like a 'tablet' tablet, but only if head and shoulders above the rest. Apple does this for me.

As i said, it's because Apple produce super outstanding works of art is why i invest

I couldn't agree more, that Apple logo stands for something which is quality, Apple don't have millions of people who buy their products for no reason, it's the quality that goes into them. How many people (competitors included) first mocked the iPhone? the famous video of Steve Bulmer laughing at it, years later and MS still don't/cant make a phone that's as good of quality as the iPhone, the same can be said for the iPad, it's the best tablet on the market, is it expensive? yes, but that's because you are paying for quality you always do, it's like wearing a shirt, Armani is always going to be more expensive than the shirt you can buy from the local shop, and it's that logo on such products that stand for something.

 

[bydandie]

You are correct about putting OS X in the iPad pro... but why??? iOS is doing so well (believe it or not, numbers don't lie). There are more app for iOS too compared to OS X. Tim will have the last laugh.

The problem you have is that OSX has the same software problem that the Windows store has for apps, there aren't that many choices out there - I used to think that a universal App Store would solve this but now I'm not so sure. iOS is now becoming a very useful place for business.

 

[Not-A-Fan]

It won't be a failure, simply because it's Apple. They can afford to toss out half-baked devices because their phones are so phenomenally successful.

That's the beauty of having the most valuable brand in the world, they don't care what users want, they make users want what makes Apple the most profit.

 

[AFEPPL]

I'd be more than surprised if its a big seller, but apple are just following the rest of the market.
Someone must be buying these things, but if i was going for a cross over device it would need to have a full OS not iOS.

I wouldn't buy one.

 

[Serban]

Apple is known not giving us the whole product in one year...
this is made for touch screen ..not like surface where the legacy was build with a pointer mice and keyboard.
i bet Apple has big planes in the future for ipad with iOS10 and 11..like a more complex file manager with icloud drive, or multiple user accounts and even more desktop features apps

 

[Kal-037]

Yeah this thing is going to bomb big time... The end is nigh people, and it all starts with Apple's downfall, via the iPad Pro... I speak the truth! lol
To the OP, If you don't like the iPad Pro... Don't buy it, just go buy a Microsoft Surface. It is that simple.

Kal.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Long time Apple user here...

The iPad Pro will be a big failure for Tim Cook. Really, he just doesn't have a long term vision for the tablet line. Bigger iPad with stylus, but same OS is honestly the dumbest thing Apple has come up with since the Apple Watch.

The iPad Pro needs to be able to run OSX or have some sort of file system as a lite replacement for a MacBook, otherwise it's just a glorified and expensive version of an iPad Air (which I sold to get a MBP)

Now I read Apple is investing resources to building a car. (Slaps forehead) Laughable Tim.

I am afraid you are right. For that kind of money it needs to have a operating system like in OSX. I am afraid that Microsoft will be get my green backs.

 

[daniel1948]

The only reason it wont be a complete flop is the fact it has an Apple logo on it. Apple can sell damb near anything to people locked into the Apple ecosystem. Take the logos off the iPad Pro and the Microsoft Surface pro/book and i know which one most people would buy.

It won't be a failure, simply because it's Apple. They can afford to toss out half-baked devices because their phones are so phenomenally successful.

That's the beauty of having the most valuable brand in the world, they don't care what users want, they make users want what makes Apple the most profit.

There's a reason the Apple brand is so successful. (So "valuable," as you put it.) The reason is that Apple has chosen to build high-quality hardware with easy-to-operate software. A PC built to the quality standards of Apple will cost about the same. This is not what everyone wants, especially people on a tight budget. But it is a solid segment of the market. MS DOS, and historically most versions of Windows, have been buggy, unreliable operating systems.

People don't buy Apple products for the logo. Rather, the logo tells you that you are looking at a reliable device built to high quality standards, with an OS that just works, out of the box, with no hassle. If you can afford to pay for quality, and are not interested in a lot of customization, this becomes an excellent choice. The real problem with Apple is that the hardware outlasts the software: My ten-year-old iMac works as well as the day I bought it, but has not been able to run the latest OS X version for half that time. The hardware is so well built that it's still running 100% when the latest software has evolved beyond it.

Apple is successful because it produces products that are a fit for a lot of buyers. You don't have to corner a market, or even have a majority of it to be a success. You don't have to make a perfect device, because there are no perfect devices. You just have to make something that fits the needs of a segment of the market, and which customers are happy enough with that when the time comes to buy another device, they'll choose your brand again. And that's what Apple has done.