iPad Pro iPad Pro will be a failure...

[littelsquidge]

Apple is known not giving us the whole product in one year...
this is made for touch screen ..not like surface where the legacy was build with a pointer mice and keyboard.
i bet Apple has big planes in the future for ipad with iOS10 and 11..like a more complex file manager with icloud drive, or multiple user accounts and even more desktop features apps

I agree. In the same way that the iPad Air 2 is only now reaching its potential with iOS 9, I think the iPad Pro will really come into its own with iOS 10. My hope is that iOS 10 is really optimised for the iPad Pro.

I see a lot of comments on these forums about the iPad Pro needing OSX, but I don't understand it. The OSX interface would be a very strange experience on iPad. What people want it OSX class applications and functionality on the iPad. Apple are pushing iOS and want the developers to bring all their pro apps to the party.

I don't think iPad pro will be a failure. I see it as a companion device. I don't see it replacing a laptop if you're solely a pro laptop user. I can see it replacing your laptop if you are a pro desktop user. In fact, I think the iPad Pro could be the ultimate desktop peripheral.

 

[ron7624]

I am afraid you are right. For that kind of money it needs to have a operating system like in OSX. I am afraid that Microsoft will be get my green backs.

Microsoft is in turmoil. Going back on their one drive storage promise and their new flagship devices costing big bucks with an os that is not what it used to be imo. I spent years with windows evolving every couple of years and it's getting old. Be careful where you send your green backs. This slate may not be the answer, but I don't think Microsoft is either.

 

[Nausicaa]

I don't get the desire for OSX on iPad, or more broadly the need to duplicate functionality across devices. If you don't like, want, or need and iPad, that's fine. If you need OSX there are plenty of laptops and desktops to suit your needs. So Apple also puts OSX on iPad. Why? What value does that offer over a laptop in terms of OSX functionality? You can use the touch screen on OSX? Where's the value there? Not much, which is why most Surface users are buying a laptop, essentially. And if I already have a desktop/laptop, the value proposition of an OSX iPad is even smaller.

I like that the iPad is different and I think iOS is very strong. In combination with the excellent hardware iPads over a first rate user experience, tailored for the form factor in every way. I do agree that the iPad Pro could be a little better. I wish it had SD support and a file manager of some kind. But these are small nitpicks and the Pencil in combination with the iPads hardware and software is what really has me eyeing the device. I feel like people who want OSX on iPad can't express a clear vision for why other than it would be a cool toy and something arbitrarily different. I mean people are saying the want windowed apps on the iPad, I just don't get it. Just buy a laptop that already has all that.

 

[Nausicaa]

In fact, I think the iPad Pro could be the ultimate desktop peripheral.

Totally agree with this, and it's my exact situation.

 

[emembee]

I'd agree with this, with the death of Windows RT there is no tablet environment that has a screen big enough for real work. I can see this being a real boon for note taking and document creation, and the thing that has made iOS a success is the devs that take advantage of the different formats.

It is a real shame (and oversight perhaps) Apple didn't show the pencil at work for markup and document creation, mindmaps etc. I really hope it works for this as well as drawing, and good accurate writing (perhaps with HWR too) would make it the first since the newton, and surely the HWR is better now too, 20 years on.

 

[Sissyboy]

The only reason it wont be a complete flop is the fact it has an Apple logo on it. Apple can sell damb near anything to people locked into the Apple ecosystem. Take the logos off the iPad Pro and the Microsoft Surface pro/book and i know which one most people would buy.

Wrong. We aren't all stupid. Most of us know a good product when we see it.
I use a Windows PC at work and at home.

When I buy Apple products I buy them because I know they will work the way they are intended to work.
Sure there are quirks but for the most part Apple delivers on their promise.

If I want a freaking laptop I will buy a laptop.
I owned one years ago.
They don't do a damn thing for me. But a tablet is quite handy and Apple just happens to make the best one.
Period.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Microsoft is in turmoil. Going back on their one drive storage promise and their new flagship devices costing big bucks with an os that is not what it used to be imo. I spent years with windows evolving every couple of years and it's getting old. Be careful where you send your green backs. This slate may not be the answer, but I don't think Microsoft is either.

Hmmm my Surface Pro 3 has been fantastic in the field and I expect the SP4 to be even better. Win10 works well for me for my purposes of AutoCad and QBPro and Office. Really not fair to compare the two as the SP is a real computer

 

[ucfgrad93]

Long time Apple user here...

The iPad Pro will be a big failure for Tim Cook. Really, he just doesn't have a long term vision for the tablet line. Bigger iPad with stylus, but same OS is honestly the dumbest thing Apple has come up with since the Apple Watch.

The iPad Pro needs to be able to run OSX or have some sort of file system as a lite replacement for a MacBook, otherwise it's just a glorified and expensive version of an iPad Air (which I sold to get a MBP)

Now I read Apple is investing resources to building a car. (Slaps forehead) Laughable Tim.

I think it might be just a tad early to be calling the iPad Pro a failure. Will it sell as well as the iPad? Probably not, but that doesn't mean it is a failure.

 

[rowspaxe]

I really hope it works for this as well as drawing, and good accurate writing (perhaps with HWR too) would make it the first since the newton, and surely the HWR is better now too, 20 years on.

Surface and oneNote since 2012?

 

[rowspaxe]

I think it might be just a tad early to be calling the iPad Pro a failure. Will it sell as well as the iPad? Probably not, but that doesn't mean it is a failure.

Apple has as huge market of brand enthusiasts and they will buy a lot of ipad pros. The ipad pro--its too big to fail!

 

[Tsepz]

I'm getting the iPad Pro either way, with that hardware (A9X, 4GB RAM and high res display), it opens it up for Apple to either update iOS on it for at least the next 3 years or load a lighter version of OSX or a more Advanced version of iOS.

This is the perfect replacement for my aging iPad 4.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I do not think it will fail but due to it's size, for many, the iPad Pro is not a replacement for their iPad. I would never get rid of my Air 2 for the Pro.

 

[emembee]

Surface and oneNote since 2012?

True, I was referring to mac users. Didn't know onenote had HWR built in, guess it is on PC only.

 

[Viper2005]

I see a lot of comments on these forums about the iPad Pro needing OSX, but I don't understand it. The OSX interface would be a very strange experience on iPad. What people want it OSX class applications and functionality on the iPad. Apple are pushing iOS and want the developers to bring all their pro apps to the party.

I think the main thing that I, and many others, want is an accessible file system, and an OS that's not so rudimentary like iOS. Even doing something like trying to save an Instagram photo, is not so easy on iOS.

 

[Krevnik]

It is a real shame (and oversight perhaps) Apple didn't show the pencil at work for markup and document creation, mindmaps etc. I really hope it works for this as well as drawing, and good accurate writing (perhaps with HWR too) would make it the first since the newton, and surely the HWR is better now too, 20 years on.

Apple might not have shown it for markup, but this guy sure did on their stage.

Handwriting recognition won't be first party, though. Seems like there are a couple apps that might work there, such as a 3rd party keyboard that does HWR.

There definitely was more of a productivity/artistic bent in Apple's keynote for sure. But considering how much they covered in those two hours, I'm not sure I can entirely fault them for what didn't make it live on stage. There were some screenshots of apps that suggest there was more (Autocad, Paper, Umake, etc).

 

[torana355]

There's a reason the Apple brand is so successful. (So "valuable," as you put it.) The reason is that Apple has chosen to build high-quality hardware with easy-to-operate software. A PC built to the quality standards of Apple will cost about the same. This is not what everyone wants, especially people on a tight budget. But it is a solid segment of the market. MS DOS, and historically most versions of Windows, have been buggy, unreliable operating systems.

People don't buy Apple products for the logo. Rather, the logo tells you that you are looking at a reliable device built to high quality standards, with an OS that just works, out of the box, with no hassle. If you can afford to pay for quality, and are not interested in a lot of customization, this becomes an excellent choice. The real problem with Apple is that the hardware outlasts the software: My ten-year-old iMac works as well as the day I bought it, but has not been able to run the latest OS X version for half that time. The hardware is so well built that it's still running 100% when the latest software has evolved beyond it.

Apple is successful because it produces products that are a fit for a lot of buyers. You don't have to corner a market, or even have a majority of it to be a success. You don't have to make a perfect device, because there are no perfect devices. You just have to make something that fits the needs of a segment of the market, and which customers are happy enough with that when the time comes to buy another device, they'll choose your brand again. And that's what Apple has done.

All that would be true if Apple was still making great Hardware with an OS that "just works". A few years ago what you said was true but these days Apple are not as far ahead of the competition as you may think. Ive been an Apple guy for a long time, i use them everyday in my industry and i own several Apple products personally (im actually typing this on my beloved 2011 MBA) However when you take all the branding away, the Surface it so far ahead of the iPad Pro it isn't even funny.

In fact, if the Surface had an Apple logo it would be the messiah on these forums. Imagine if Apple released a product identical to the Surface but with OSX running of course and Microsoft released a product identical to the IPP. I just know Apple fans would be putting the Microsoft device down. Its Apples branding that allow it to release half baked products in the past few years. Im starting to see a trend of hardcore Apple users moving away from Apple products in the past 6 months including me. I believe Apple need to start innovating again, When the iPhone was first released it was incredible imo, i want that same feeling when Apple release a new product, not the feeling that "it will do"

 

[modernaccord]

Plot twist: The OP is trying to discourage people from buying it so he can go get one!!

Just kidding. Anyways, I encourage anyone who thinks this device will be a total failure to go and experience the breakoff tablet of the SurfaceBook. I'm buying an iPad Pro only because it's so massive that reading the news on it will be game changing. Large tablets might seem dumb, but once you really get your hands on one, you can't put it down.

 

[Fuchal]

I think the main thing that I, and many others, want is an accessible file system, and an OS that's not so rudimentary like iOS. Even doing something like trying to save an Instagram photo, is not so easy on iOS.

Thats because Instagram doesn't want you to. Try saving an Instagram photo on the web, it's also very hard.

 

[fieldsphotos]

True, I was referring to mac users. Didn't know onenote had HWR built in, guess it is on PC only.

Microsoft has some pretty awesome HWR. I just bought a Vaio Canvas and when using it on my lap I was able to write in web addresses in the Edge browser window and it recognized my handwriting without any issues. Even when I wrote half in print and half in cursive. I was impressed, as the last time I really used HWR it was on a Palm and involved a pretty steep learning curve.

 

[nebo1ss]

As of today I have been weighing up whether to move from a MBP to an iPadPro.

So far the programs/functions I can see being an issue are:

1. Handling of certain file formats - There will no doubt be some types of files that there isn't an app for. That will probably result in someone creating an App to handle them. So I guess there could be some annoyance in the initial stages.

2. Photoshop - I'm aware there will be an iOS app coming out, question is will it offer all of the core functions... on the plus side the ability to use the pencil should be amazing. I'm happy enough that in time the program will offer everything.

3. FTP - I can see there at least one app out there already. No idea how effective.


For everything else I have Dropbox and iCloud Drive, which is essentially my filing system. Accessible offline, integrated with more and more apps as standard. I honestly can't see what I would be missing over using a MPB and I can definitely see what I would be gaining with a iPadPro!

I don't think the price, Approx £1000 with accessories, is that unreasonable either. Comparing it to a MPB, better screen just as portable, same/better performance.

I would find it hard to chose the iPad pro over a retina macbook 12 inch. One is running a proper file system with a full keyboard and a retina screen. The price is pretty much the same.

 

[Hankcah]

I don't see the iPP to be a failure. I see it as a Wacom drawing pad replacement. Just like the iPhone with the phone, palm pilot, calculator, etc. The iPP will be something you can take with you, and draw.

Ever use a fancy drawing stylus on the current iPads to draw? I purchased one to take notes as I'm going through pads of paper on a monthly basis. I wanted something to save that's unlimited. To be frank - taking notes on the current iPad sucks!

The point of the aPENCIL is to have a more responsive stylus. And I'm willing to bet it blows everything out of the water.

 

[modernaccord]

Microsoft has some pretty awesome HWR. I just bought a Vaio Canvas and when using it on my lap I was able to write in web addresses in the Edge browser window and it recognized my handwriting without any issues. Even when I wrote half in print and half in cursive. I was impressed, as the last time I really used HWR it was on a Palm and involved a pretty steep learning curve.

I got myself a Surface Pro 4 because my business software requires Windows and a USB port. I have to say, HWR is phenomenal!

 

[Serban]

you ever ask yourself how would be OSX into an ipad?? trying to close the apps or safari with that little 3 dots on the top left corners?
this is how windows 8.1 was, now with win10 still kind of there but i really feel that windows has apps with a keyboard and mice legacy build for

 

[fieldsphotos]

I don't see the iPP to be a failure. I see it as a Wacom drawing pad replacement. Just like the iPhone with the phone, palm pilot, calculator, etc. The iPP will be something you can take with you, and draw.

Ever use a fancy drawing stylus on the current iPads to draw? I purchased one to take notes as I'm going through pads of paper on a monthly basis. I wanted something to save that's unlimited. To be frank - taking notes on the current iPad sucks!

The point of the aPENCIL is to have a more responsive stylus. And I'm willing to bet it blows everything out of the water.

I will be very interested in Apple's digitizer solution vs the competition. Should be interesting to see how it performs in the real world once they get out. See how they overcome the limitations of doing active digitizer vs the legacy Wacom passive ones.

 

[engineerben]

In fact, if the Surface had an Apple logo it would be the Messiah on these forums. Imagine if Apple released a product identical to the Surface but with OSX running of course and Microsoft released a product identical to the IPP. I just know Apple fans would be putting the Microsoft device down.

There are a lot of counterfactuals here. First, if Apple released a hybrid running OS X and they had threaded the needle of getting OS X applications to run really well in a touch-first environment, then yes, Apple fans would be cheering and lining up to buy it on the first day, guaranteed.

But it wouldn't be an iPad. It would be a Macbook something-or-other.

Second, Microsoft isn't going to build an iPad Pro or anything like it. That is, Microsoft isn't going to build a customized operating system that's not just touch-first, but touch-only, because they have too much invested in the whole Windows ecosystem. That's not a knock on Microsoft - I happily use Windows 10 on a PC at home, Windows 7 on a PC at work and Office 365 all around. Windows is a hugely valuable brand, and they're absolutely right to protect it. Windows RT was a mistake, and one they quickly rectified.

Third, don't imagine that Apple fans are quite so narrow that, "everything Apple makes is wonderful and everything Microsoft makes is garbage." For many Apple fans, slamming Apple's latest design zig or zag is just their way of saying 'Hi'. Need evidence? The iPhone 3G was a plastic piece of junk compared to the original iPhone, the 3GS didn't change anything. iPhone 4? Ugly, squared off, and don't hold it wrong or it won't work! iPhone 5? Let's just keep stretching this thing vertically until I can use it to clean ceiling fans! iPhone 6? Boring, nothing new, meh. All criticisms I heard from Apple fans!

And now, what about the iPad Pro? Over on the "which one will you buy" forum, lots of folks are saying they'll buy an iPad Pro but pass on the Apple keyboard cover and get a keyboard from another vendor. In their mind, Apple got the keyboard flat wrong. Hardly slavish devotion!

Bottom line: MS wouldn't build an iPad-like device that didn't run stock Windows (dilutes the brand), Apple won't build a hybrid, at least not now (not until in their thinking the extra complexity and cost is justified by a better user experience) and Apple fans aren't quite as slavish as you might think!