iPad Sales Total 225 Million Units Since 2010 as Apple Claims 'Significant Innovation' Coming

[Liquorpuki]

Excellent and I agree totally. I was a bit surprised by your comment at first, because it seemed like you were one of those people that only consider disruptive new product categories "true innovation".

But I think what most people have come to expect from Apple is disruptive innovation. Digital distribution, retail, tablets, netbooks, etc - all these different markets have been disrupted, killed, invented, or taken over by Apple under Jobs. Disruption has been in Apple's DNA, which is why their stock rose like a growth stock.

For the past couple years it's only been incremental innovation, which is status quo innovation. AKA we don't wanna take any major risks kind of innovation. AKA do just enough to maintain profits kind of innovation.

 

[Trapezoid]

But I think what most people have come to expect from Apple is disruptive innovation. Digital distribution, retail, tablets, netbooks, etc - all these different markets have been disrupted, killed, invented, or taken over by Apple under Jobs. Disruption has been in Apple's DNA, which is why their stock rose like a growth stock.

For the past couple years it's only been incremental innovation, which is status quo innovation. AKA we don't wanna take any major risks kind of innovation. AKA do just enough to maintain profits kind of innovation.

That's how it was under jobs too. Not like they were disrupting markets every few months. Several years passed between iphone and ipad.

The reason people want stuff faster now is because other companies are in a "first to market"race and release gimmicky useless features just to say it was done.

When compared to those apple looks outdated, but the truth is apple hasn't changed at all.

 

[Liquorpuki]

That's how it was under jobs too. Not like they were disrupting markets every few months. Several years passed between iphone and ipad.

The reason people want stuff faster now is because other companies are in a "first to market"race and release gimmicky useless features just to say it was done.

When compared to those apple looks outdated, but the truth is apple hasn't changed at all.

I think people just wanna know if Tim Cook can continue Apple's culture of disruption. Until he disrupts something, there's always gonna be doubt.

 

[Trapezoid]

I think people just wanna know if Tim Cook can continue Apple's culture of disruption. Until he disrupts something, there's always gonna be doubt.

I agree, tim definitely needs something to call his own.

 

[thekeyring]

Innovation is bringing something NEW to the table

Apple seem to be selling Evolutionary tech as innovative tech, the two are not the same thing.

I don't think that's true. Say Apple put their best minds on figuring out how to make touch sensors that are built into the display, make a battery that's smaller hold the same charge and a microprocessor that's twice as fast but uses half the space? That's a lot of innovation but all the customer might see it 20% thinner iPhone, and yawn.

 

[trip1ex]

I guess I'm trying to figure out how you come to the concluson that people are realizing that. It may be true, but I don't get how you're coming to that conclusion based on lower sales of ipads.



Again, how do you draw your conclusion that people are rejecting the ipad because of lowered sales. We know the ipad serves its purpose, that its expensive and that people don't need to replace it often.

Does this mean people are rejecting laptops since those sales are not increasing either?

Well if you were using an iPad for productivity you would benefit alot from getting a new iPad which is going to be much faster for those tasks than a previous iPad. If the market as a whole was moving in that direction then you wouldn't see slumping sales already. Thus the conclusion or really confirmation of experience and observation is consumers are rejecting Apple efforts to market it as a productivity machine.


Contrast that with laptops where there is too much processing power already and extra ram, hard drive and cpu do not do anything for most people and you have a different sets of reasons for why laptop sales are stagnating.

 

[tdale]

I agree, tim definitely needs something to call his own.

They are going that way with Healthkit. It may go like Homekit, another disruption they are after, where there are many differing protocols, but Apple has said they will bring them into one function, Homekit. Makes 100% sense. Great idea

 

[Dionte]

I love it when some of you on here are whining that "apple had better do this with the ipad" because as it stands it doesn't meet your VERY particular usage case. Apple doesn't craft the ipad to meet YOUR use case, it crafts it to realistically meet the needs of 99% of the people that will purchase it.

It's especially funny when some of you demand a battery that is twice as big. I would bet anything that if Apple actually did this, you would whine and scream "omg they didn't make it any thinner!"

Some people seem to only ever whine and complain. Seriously, if you dislike the device so much, go out and get a Galaxy tab so you can start whining about how Samsung doesn't perfectly meet your needs


Lol some of you people calling for "needz more RAM or I won't buy it" or "needz more than a 1.5Ghz quad core processor" really just don't get it.

RAM, even on older iOS devices, is almost never a bottleneck. Mobile applications, even most games, usually use extremely small amounts of RAM. What tends to cause lagginess on older devices is just GPU/CPU speed. So calling for more RAM is about as useful as calling for a lower CAS latency, you'd never actually notice an improvement because a 3 year old mobile processor is going to slow things down regardless.

It is a bottle neck when I have multiple safari tabs open and they refresh when i go through them.

 

[Wolfpup]

It is a bottle neck when I have multiple safari tabs open and they refresh when i go through them.

Oh my gosh, RAM is a GIGANTIC bottleneck even on a 5s. At this point 4GB would be reasonable for the 5s/iPad 5 to have had. I have to think about what I'm doing on iOS, make sure I don't accidentally cause a refresh in one program wiping out what I was doing (like location in a Youtube video) just because I swapped to something else. It's actually easy to have that happen just with too many browser pages, much less other programs.

Regarding the battery thing, there's no device ever that I wouldn't gladly have twice as tick for (actually way more than 2x) the battery life. The iPad's better than average, but that's a sad, sad average to beat.

 

[AxoNeuron]

Oh my gosh, RAM is a GIGANTIC bottleneck even on a 5s. At this point 4GB would be reasonable for the 5s/iPad 5 to have had. I have to think about what I'm doing on iOS, make sure I don't accidentally cause a refresh in one program wiping out what I was doing (like location in a Youtube video) just because I swapped to something else. It's actually easy to have that happen just with too many browser pages, much less other programs.

Regarding the battery thing, there's no device ever that I wouldn't gladly have twice as tick for (actually way more than 2x) the battery life. The iPad's better than average, but that's a sad, sad average to beat.

Wow...do you know how much power 4GB of RAM chips would use? How much more space? Right now, the only manufacturers throwing in obscene amounts of RAM are android makers, who are doing it solely for marketing purposes on phones that are hefty enough to hold enormous batteries.

On a device as slim as the 5S, 4GB RAM would slaughter battery life. This is actually the reason that Microsoft made Windows 8 so much more memory efficient than Windows 7 was, in order to save battery life on ultra books by lowering RAM requirements.

iOS is also more FAR more efficient with memory usage than Android is, that has always been the case. Furthermore, the vast, overwhelming majority of iPhone users do not use even 1GB of RAM. And a lot of them would NOT buy a device that is thicker than the 5s, you should see all the people on these forums whining at the idea of a bigger 4.7" iPhone. So the whole bigger battery thing is just an opinion of yours on the matter of battery size vs. device bulk.

Fortunately this situation will improve when they expand the size of the next iPhone. But Apple won't add more than 2GB because even the vast majority of power users won't use more than 2GB. It might force a reload of tabs in Safari or suspend background apps, but only in cases where you are using a LOT of tabs or a lot of apps. It's not a big problem, most users never actually notice it in any case.

Perhaps the iPhone 6 would better meet your needs, or some Galaxy phone. Because right now, the iPhone 5S is great even for most power users.

 

[LordVic]

Wow...do you know how much power 4GB of RAM chips would use? How much more space? Right now, the only manufacturers throwing in obscene amounts of RAM are android makers, who are doing it solely for marketing purposes on phones that are hefty enough to hold enormous batteries.

On a device as slim as the 5S, 4GB RAM would slaughter battery life. This is actually the reason that Microsoft made Windows 8 so much more memory efficient than Windows 7 was, in order to save battery life on ultra books by lowering RAM requirements.

iOS is also more FAR more efficient with memory usage than Android is, that has always been the case. Furthermore, the vast, overwhelming majority of iPhone users do not use even 1GB of RAM. And a lot of them would NOT buy a device that is thicker than the 5s, you should see all the people on these forums whining at the idea of a bigger 4.7" iPhone. So the whole bigger battery thing is just an opinion of yours on the matter of battery size vs. device bulk.

Fortunately this situation will improve when they expand the size of the next iPhone. But Apple won't add more than 2GB because even the vast majority of power users won't use more than 2GB. It might force a reload of tabs in Safari or suspend background apps, but only in cases where you are using a LOT of tabs or a lot of apps. It's not a big problem, most users never actually notice it in any case.

Perhaps the iPhone 6 would better meet your needs, or some Galaxy phone. Because right now, the iPhone 5S is great even for most power users.

I think it's well said. I dont think the battery life would be that dramatically hit, but, just throwing 4gb, 8gb or what not without thinking about it is not the answer either (cause yes, ANY additional will require some battery).

To Be fair. even on the Android front you don't need more than 2gb currently. It's only on the devices with heavy skinning or modified Android that seem to need more. Probably related to the sheer amount of stuff that Touchwiz loads. Stock android is much better and much more efficient than unfortunately what most people get stuck with on skinned devices. My nexus5 after almost a year of use, with a tonne of installed apps, lots of widgets running, isn't even using 1gb of RAM. But when I had a note II on Touchwiz, it freshly booted was already using 1.5gb

 

[Wolfpup]

Wow...do you know how much power 4GB of RAM chips would use? How much more space?

Not much and not much? Some Windows tablets have 4-8GB and aren't that much heavier (even with a cooling system in some of them).

On a device as slim as the 5S, 4GB RAM would slaughter battery life.

Even if true, so what? It needs more RAM, particularly if you actually want to multitask with it. Design the hardware to be used first, and for "oh look oh thin it is" as an afterthought.

iOS is also more FAR more efficient with memory usage than Android is, that has always been the case.

Sorta? I mean it is but even still it doesn't go THAT much further.

Furthermore, the vast, overwhelming majority of iPhone users do not use even 1GB of RAM.

I seriously doubt that. The only way that can be true is if you're really only using one program at a time, and that program isn't a web browser.

Perhaps the iPhone 6 would better meet your needs, or some Galaxy phone. Because right now, the iPhone 5S is great even for most power users.

Depends on what you mean by that. The screen's way too small, and it could use at least 2x the RAM. Apple also wrecked podcast support in iOS 7, inexplicably. Still, in many ways it's my favorite smartphone, but I don't know that I'm going to switch back to it when I get my 5s replaced (since AFAIK that lightning connector is a piece of junk).

 

[AxoNeuron]

Not much and not much? Some Windows tablets have 4-8GB and aren't that much heavier (even with a cooling system in some of them).

Have you actually looked at the battery life for these said tablets?

Even if true, so what? It needs more RAM, particularly if you actually want to multitask with it. Design the hardware to be used first, and for "oh look oh thin it is" as an afterthought.

That is your opinion. A lot of people don't seem to realize that there is a big difference between your opinion and facts. But what can you do...

Sorta? I mean it is but even still it doesn't go THAT much further.

Take a look at RAM usage for an Android device with all apps closed (especially a Samsung phone, but any of them really) and then take a look at an iPhone with all apps closed.

I seriously doubt that. The only way that can be true is if you're really only using one program at a time, and that program isn't a web browser.

I have five tabs open on my iPad Mini with Retina display right now, and not a single one of them needs to load when I switch between them. And I can see that eight of my most recently used applications are still running in the background and have not been suspended. If you think the vast majority of ipad/iPhone users use more than that, you really need to reexamine your beliefs about the average iPhone user. And the majority of articles on the iPhone 6 don't even mention this "problem", and you'd think they would if it were a huge deal.

Depends on what you mean by that. The screen's way too small, and it could use at least 2x the RAM. Apple also wrecked podcast support in iOS 7, inexplicably. Still, in many ways it's my favorite smartphone, but I don't know that I'm going to switch back to it when I get my 5s replaced (since AFAIK that lightning connector is a piece of junk).

Yeah, sounds like you'd do muuuuuch better with a Galaxy Note. I hope you really enjoy it

 

[Dionte]

If the iPhone 6 and iPad Air 2 do not have 2 gigz of ramz or more, first I am going to weep, then I am going to move on to my first android devices. iWant more ramz. These devices are very expensive, if other people don't want more, they can get whatever they please. I skipped the 5s and iPad air for the lack of 2 gigs of ramz and the air not having touch ID. But that's just me, uno hombre.