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iPad Sales Total 225 Million Units Since 2010 as Apple Claims 'Significant Innovation' Coming
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Making it "thinner" and " Lighter" are not innovation apple
What IS innovation according to you?
Making it "thinner" and " Lighter" are not innovation apple
Sometimes it is. Managing to replace multiple parts with a single part can make a device thinner, and can require an innovative way of looking at a problem.
However, all of that is lost because everyone's eyes glaze over when we hear 10.8% thinner.
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I'm not saying anything else is needed. Heck, after Metal was introduced at WWDC, it's hard even to say a faster processor is 'needed'.
I'm not a naysayer, I'm not asking for 'more' or 'new' - the iPads today are great. I just wasn't expecting more than a spec bump for this year's iPads, and am surprised at Tim Cook's comment touting innovative new features.
Making it "thinner" and " Lighter" are not innovation apple
Disagree also; my iPad3 is a brick compared to the Air my husband recently got through his work.
The hardware work to make this happen is innovative on it's own, or at least it feels that way to me...
Making it "thinner" and " Lighter" are not innovation apple
Neither are useless gimmicks like eyescroll
I think innovation is few and far between from both apple and other companies. But making components thinner and still as or more efficient than their predecessors is way more innovative than pausing videos every time you look away.
Sadly, things like eyescroll are what people consider innovation nowadays.
"Significant innovat.
Oh **** it.
Apple got the needle stuck
They've been saying this all year. "best product pipeline ever".
They should have shut up with the facts. 225 million moved is fantastic news! its great sales.
But when they open up, and spout this reality distortion field and people gobble it up, it's getting tiresome
it's now July. We're well past the 1/2 way point in 2014.
and to date: Apple has officially launched...
nothing.
They've announced:
Updates
Tim, Time to shut up and realize that actions need to speak louder than words.
Oh **** it.
Apple got the needle stuck
They've been saying this all year. "best product pipeline ever".
They should have shut up with the facts. 225 million moved is fantastic news! its great sales.
But when they open up, and spout this reality distortion field and people gobble it up, it's getting tiresome
it's now July. We're well past the 1/2 way point in 2014.
and to date: Apple has officially launched...
nothing.
They've announced:
Updates
Tim, Time to shut up and realize that actions need to speak louder than words.
Tim, don't tell me. Just start releasing products as they are ready. Everything doesn't have to come at the end of the year. Keep everyone guessing. I too hate hearing empty platitudes about "innovation" from Apple with no news conference even announced yet or anything as far as we know coming in the future.
there isn't much reason to get a new iPad if you just use it for surfing, email and video and some simple games. And this is what most consumers use it for.
And then iPads aren't subsidized like iPhones. Consumers think iPhones are $200 at most. So consumers aren't going to upgrade like they do with phones.
And then more people share iPads than phones.
And until they figure out typing I don't think it can become a laptop.
And then iPads aren't subsidized like iPhones. Consumers think iPhones are $200 at most. So consumers aren't going to upgrade like they do with phones.
And then more people share iPads than phones.
And until they figure out typing I don't think it can become a laptop.
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This is more likely the reason than consumers thinking "this doesn't replace my laptop". The ipads do what they need to do and they're expensive. No need to buy a new one every yr.
Laptop sales are also down aren't they? Seems to indicate that consumers aren't going back to laptops, right?
It's both. They buy it for what it does well. And maybe with the thought that it might be able to replace their computer for them. But either way they figure out that they still need their laptop around.
It doesn't mean they go out and buy a new laptop. People don't need to replace recent laptops either.
I'm just saying Apple is trying to make the iPad do more productivity things but people are rejecting that more than Apple anticipated. Apple put iPhoto and iMovie on the iPad And the iWork apps and made them all free. And introduced a fast and light iPad with its best camera yet and still sales dipped. This is a new product category so it is eye-popping figure.
And to me the main problem for the iPad trying to be the platform for more long-form tasks is the lack of a good typing experience. Then so far sharing files is a pain. Working with photos and movies is something I want to do on that small screen. And storage space is very limited and speeds are fairly slow. And then using printers is a pain unless (I'm guessing) you buy a new one with AirPrint.
They could justify the price better and increase sales if the thing could replace the consumer's next laptop.
So we'll see what they come up with the next few years.
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Many many people buy iPads and various other tablets. I think that people don't need to make a $500-$1000 purchase of a tablet every year. We have a dozen QA iPad and Tablets lying around that are from previous generations. Plus the sales of iPad Air were higher than people expected for months. The fact that sales have dipped only now is not really news.
I guess I'm trying to figure out how you come to the concluson that people are realizing that. It may be true, but I don't get how you're coming to that conclusion based on lower sales of ipads.
Again, how do you draw your conclusion that people are rejecting the ipad because of lowered sales. We know the ipad serves its purpose, that its expensive and that people don't need to replace it often.
Does this mean people are rejecting laptops since those sales are not increasing either?
I love it when some of you on here are whining that "apple had better do this with the ipad" because as it stands it doesn't meet your VERY particular usage case. Apple doesn't craft the ipad to meet YOUR use case, it crafts it to realistically meet the needs of 99% of the people that will purchase it.
It's especially funny when some of you demand a battery that is twice as big. I would bet anything that if Apple actually did this, you would whine and scream "omg they didn't make it any thinner!"
Some people seem to only ever whine and complain. Seriously, if you dislike the device so much, go out and get a Galaxy tab so you can start whining about how Samsung doesn't perfectly meet your needs
Lol some of you people calling for "needz more RAM or I won't buy it" or "needz more than a 1.5Ghz quad core processor" really just don't get it.
RAM, even on older iOS devices, is almost never a bottleneck. Mobile applications, even most games, usually use extremely small amounts of RAM. What tends to cause lagginess on older devices is just GPU/CPU speed. So calling for more RAM is about as useful as calling for a lower CAS latency, you'd never actually notice an improvement because a 3 year old mobile processor is going to slow things down regardless.
The iPad has amazing battery life IMO. I use mine a lot and usually go 4 days without charging. iPhone on the other hand I have to charge twice a day.
Also, I thought increasing RAM might give Safari the ability to cache pages, granted they could probably enable page caching on by using the SSD inside instead.
I just recently got an iPad mini, since I'm traveling, and it's much better for watching movies, doing iTunes U, and using the Kindle app, all on the go, than bringing a laptop. I also use it for those things in cafés in regular life.
Anyways, now, it's interesting to see when I'm using my phone, and have to do some task, like open a web page, that I'd rather do it on the tablet, and have the larger screen, or enter in a lot of data, and not want to do it on the tablet, and want my laptop. It could be useful if people logged the nature of the task that causes them to switch up devices to the more capable alternative. And then, focus development on addressing these short-comings. Like, wit the phone, an unfolding display that enlarges, would solve that. Easier text selection for copy and paste would have kept me on the iPad, since I was just moving data from email to calendar events. Just in this message, I'm on a work PC, and it's tedious to enter accents (writing café), whereas my MacBook Air is very intuitive and easy for using accents, so if I was corresponding in another language I would want to switch devices. My phone might be worse at general data entry, but it's better at writing Italian or French than my work PC, due to multi-language keyboards with auto-correct. So, we might think that some drawbacks are insurmountable due to hardware size limitations, but with enough clever software, they could be even easier than alternatives.
Honestly the iPad may actually die off eventually. This is also happening with tablets in general.
If you think about it:
1. Phones are getting bigger screens.
2. Phones are everywhere, used everyday.
3. Tablets are big, not very portable.
4. iPad mini, it may still have some future because of its size.
So the consumer basically has shifted the trend of tablets, to phablets, thus the decline of even getting an iPad or a tablet in general.
If you think about it:
1. Phones are getting bigger screens.
2. Phones are everywhere, used everyday.
3. Tablets are big, not very portable.
4. iPad mini, it may still have some future because of its size.
So the consumer basically has shifted the trend of tablets, to phablets, thus the decline of even getting an iPad or a tablet in general.
Sounds like Tim is doing damage control. Maybe he should apologize, too, since he seems good at that.
QUOTE=Cinch;19386432]Trolling since Jul 2007. Talk about deep hatred. You sir has taken hating to a new level.[/QUOTE]
Actually, have been a MacRumors reader and Mac user 1 week after Apple switched to Intel processors but was late in joining the forums. And unlike you sir, I'm not emotionally invested to Apple or to any company for that matter, I use the tools and company that fits my needs. What I find funnier are those people that bought or received his/her first iPhone last week and is now here in the forums being the staunchest Apple can do no wrong defender. Lol.
See above...
I first commented on the person looking for specific features on a tablet and told him that Samsung and Microsoft are already offering those features and he doesn't have to WAIT. Then you came in with your old regurgitated drivel about Android and Windows. So tell me, where did I bash Apple on that comment? You guys are one sensitive bunch. And I apologize if I don't post to profess my love for Apple and giggle every time they make more billions every year from me like other guys do.
Yes, the Apple ecosystem is a very appealing reason that's why I have a Mac, iPad and previously iPhone 1 'to 4s. But I have evaluated myself that my needs would be more accommodated with a bigger screen and so I went to a different platform. The bigger screen outweighed my ecosystem need. I chose the best for my need by being platform agnostic.
Lol. I was messing with you. The natives did get riled up though.
No offense taken. Some people here need to lighten up though as if Apple is like a religion and saying anything against them is blasphemous.
Apple users have no issue critiquing Apple? Lol. Then you must be new here in this forum sir. They are one of the most defensive and protective consumers I've known. You are doing it now!
I love my micro SD card slot. Extra 64 GB space for your phone added in 30 seconds or less. What do you have against them?
Dear Trapezoid,
Thats your opinion but I'm sure you'll be surprised to find out that other people actually like them.
For ever yours,
Microsoft and Samsung
And who told you it was Apples fault?
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Actually, have been a MacRumors reader and Mac user 1 week after Apple switched to Intel processors but was late in joining the forums. And unlike you sir, I'm not emotionally invested to Apple or to any company for that matter, I use the tools and company that fits my needs. What I find funnier are those people that bought or received his/her first iPhone last week and is now here in the forums being the staunchest Apple can do no wrong defender. Lol.
See above...
I first commented on the person looking for specific features on a tablet and told him that Samsung and Microsoft are already offering those features and he doesn't have to WAIT. Then you came in with your old regurgitated drivel about Android and Windows. So tell me, where did I bash Apple on that comment? You guys are one sensitive bunch. And I apologize if I don't post to profess my love for Apple and giggle every time they make more billions every year from me like other guys do.
Yes, the Apple ecosystem is a very appealing reason that's why I have a Mac, iPad and previously iPhone 1 'to 4s. But I have evaluated myself that my needs would be more accommodated with a bigger screen and so I went to a different platform. The bigger screen outweighed my ecosystem need. I chose the best for my need by being platform agnostic.
Lol. I was messing with you. The natives did get riled up though.
No offense taken. Some people here need to lighten up though as if Apple is like a religion and saying anything against them is blasphemous.
Apple users have no issue critiquing Apple? Lol. Then you must be new here in this forum sir. They are one of the most defensive and protective consumers I've known. You are doing it now!
I love my micro SD card slot. Extra 64 GB space for your phone added in 30 seconds or less. What do you have against them?
Dear Trapezoid,
Thats your opinion but I'm sure you'll be surprised to find out that other people actually like them.
For ever yours,
Microsoft and Samsung
And who told you it was Apples fault?
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Whew
Tim Cook: Best pipeline ever! Hard at work! Can't wait to show you guys! Culture of innovation! We really care! Truly great products! hehehe
Jony Ive: Thinner... must make... everything.... thinner...
hehehe Jony Ive: Thinner...
must make... everything.... thinner...
Innovation is bringing something NEW to the table
Apple seem to be selling Evolutionary tech as innovative tech, the two are not the same thing.
The easiest example i can give is if intel sell a CPU that's 1GHZ faster than the last one it sold, but made no alterations other than upping the clock speed, that evolution not innovation, Apples Thinner and lighter is just that, its an evolution of tech.
However Intel adding new features and instruction sets between generations, so the addition of SSE, and other new features that improve the products functionality, that is innovative.
Innovation should be additive, not just a refinement of what already exists.
Thats not to talk away from innovation being done in the field of making these components smaller, the screen harder and lighter, its just that the whilst the tech thats going into making these things is innovative, the end product isnt, its just another copy of last years phones , in a new case, with a refinement of parts thats "by the book" evolution of last generation.
I guess i am just sick of people using and mistaking the term innovative, when what they mean is an evolutionary refinement. It Cheapens TRUE innovation
Excellent and I agree totally. I was a bit surprised by your comment at first, because it seemed like you were one of those people that only consider disruptive new product categories "true innovation".