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iPad SDK 3.2 Details: External Display, File Sharing System, No Multitasking

tys said:
Except that they'll need a "real" computer to sync it to
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Circular reasoning there. Why do you need a computer for the ability to sync to said computer? It's like saying you need socks because socks fit over your feet. You kind of missed the point of what problem syncing is trying to solve.

tys said:
install updates
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Thats an actual issue as far as the OS updates are concerned. Apple needs to address the fact that you need a computer to update Mobile OS X.

tys said:
print anything
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Agreed. This issue is worse than the no multitasking issue as far as I'm concerned (no background tasks only prevents me from using Pandora while doing other stuff so I'm not horribly concerned there since I have music in my iTunes library).

tys said:
etc.
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Last time I checked etc isn't a thing you do with computers. :p
 
Two biggies make a dealbreaker for me.
No multi-tasking
No flash support

I'd think to make it more appealing, hand regonition would have been made this much more tempting for taking notes. Like a pad.
 
NAG said:
Honestly, I doubt Apple would of had the clout to get the data plan price lowered if they weren't exclusive. This is like making a deal with the devil you know.


What do you think the dock connection is? They have adapters.


An adapter for this too if you don't mind carrying one.


I seriously doubt we'll see multitasking in Mobile OS X for a while. It took them two years to get copy and paste right. Multitasking is a far more serious issue that will take longer to adapt to such a device.


Why not? Potentially power consumption problems. We'll have to see. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's PA Semi acquisition starts to pay off though.


If you want Mac OS X in tablet form just buy a modified macbook. Apple will never release such a device because they have completely failed in the market (just look at Windows tablets over the last decade).

Pretty much the only thing that left me disappointed was no printing (as far as I could see) and no camera. I can live without the camera but the whole no printing thing leaves me scratching my head. Whats the point of iWork with no print support?
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I would say the no printing thing is the only major thing I will have a problem with...

The multi-tasking meh... It doesn't need a camera. Some of the cool relativity things they do with cameras on the iphone would be nice... but not worth putting a camera on this device which should not have a camera.
 
Drag'nGT said:
I'd like to see a hack that lets me use it as an additional screen while docked to the computer. :cool:
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You can already do that with the iPhone using Screenrecycler on the mac and a vnc client on the iphone (ok, it's pretty slow, and obviously tiny, but maybe the iPad will make it a little more practical- with a faster CPU and 802.11n)
 
If I were a betting man, I would put my money on multitasking being announced before the iPad ships. Apple was demonstrating one thing today, the iPad, and they were not going to dilute an announcement this big with information about the next iPhone (or the next OS). File sharing, to me, is a sign that the company understands that people want to use these devices as portable computers. We'll see I guess.

BTW: Turn-by-turn navigation on this device, officially from Apple, is something I expect to be dreaming about tonight. :)
 
NAG said:
I seriously doubt we'll see multitasking in Mobile OS X for a while. It took them two years to get copy and paste right. Multitasking is a far more serious issue that will take longer to adapt to such a device.
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Really? I mean, it works pretty well with backgrounder and multiflow on a jailbroken iPhone. And those are unsanctioned hacks... They work well enough (at least in my experience) that surely an Apple-grown method wouldn't be hard to get right. Even if they only allowed a maximum of 3 applications (or whatever) to run in the background. Now that the total battery life exceeds a Macbook, it seems that there is some to spare for the *possibility* of a background app or two.
 
I can see the point of an intermediate device that runs a simplified OS, i even sort of like it.

I don't even mind that the tablet needs to be tethered to another computer, though I don't see why that can't be done wirelessly.

And I think I was being realistic, I never expected a full fledged mobile Wacom Photoshop station.

But I did think a electronic sketchpad that I could throw into my backpack, snap a photo or two to build a texture or palette library, open a finger painting app for a little speed painting, and then send it email or file it at home would not have been too much to ask for in such a 'magical' device. Heck, without a camera it doesn't even trump my Hackintosh MSI Wind kitchen table setup. Not feeling this one at all.
 
John.B said:
Only one application, or one application plus the iPod functionality?
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WTF? The freaking iPhone multitasks.

I can listen to iPod, surf on safari, continue to receive email, SMS's and push alerts. I can even surf the web and do other app stuff and talk on the phone.

It is just 3rd party devs that can't run in the background. This almost certainly will change in OS4 and almost certainly will have some sort of code review functionality test associated with it.

If apple learned anything from Android and the Pre is that most people prefer the device to work first and that all the 3rd party multitasking app whiners are just that, whiners, not customers.
 
On my phone, I quite frequently finding myself jumping from IM, <several other applications> to SMS, to EMail, to Web browser.

I could not imagine having a phone that does not multi-task.

Horses for courses. Some people need multi-tasking, others don't.

shakenmartini said:
WTF? The freaking iPhone multitasks.

I can listen to iPod, surf on safari, continue to receive email, SMS's and push alerts. I can even surf the web and do other app stuff and talk on the phone.

It is just 3rd party devs that can't run in the background. This almost certainly will change in OS4 and almost certainly will have some sort of code review functionality test associated with it.

If apple learned anything from Android and the Pre is that most people prefer the device to work first and that all the 3rd party multitasking app whiners are just that, whiners, not customers.
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Stella said:
On my phone, I quite frequently finding myself jumping from IM, <several other applications> to SMS, to EMail, to Web browser.

I could not imagine having a phone that does not multi-task.

Horses for courses. Some people need multi-tasking, others don't.
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Again, me too. Phone call still work, Chat over SMS still works, email still comes in. Wepages are still there.

The only limitation is that webpages don't load in the background

And again, the market seems to be answering how importing this supposed issue is to consumers.
 
NAG said:
Honestly, I doubt Apple would of had the clout to get the data plan price lowered if they weren't exclusive. This is like making a deal with the devil you know.


What do you think the dock connection is? They have adapters.


An adapter for this too if you don't mind carrying one.


I seriously doubt we'll see multitasking in Mobile OS X for a while. It took them two years to get copy and paste right. Multitasking is a far more serious issue that will take longer to adapt to such a device.


Why not? Potentially power consumption problems. We'll have to see. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's PA Semi acquisition starts to pay off though.


If you want Mac OS X in tablet form just buy a modified macbook. Apple will never release such a device because they have completely failed in the market (just look at Windows tablets over the last decade).

Pretty much the only thing that left me disappointed was no printing (as far as I could see) and no camera. I can live without the camera but the whole no printing thing leaves me scratching my head. Whats the point of iWork with no print support?
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you hit the nail right on the head.

I never said the ipad was a bad product, just that if you have a macbook and an iphone, and a nano... don't quite see where ipad fits (outside of just wanting to have one for the cool factor)...

I'll probably pick up the ipad in a few years after my iphone is old and obsolete; but just having upgraded to 3GS; ipad feels like an incremental upgrade.

With a potential upgrade of the next iphone around the corner, some of us might just wait and see what the next iphone is before buying the ipad. Chances are with Nexus competition, the gap between the next iphone and ipad will be minimal.

But Steve also said... ipad fills the gap between the iphone and the laptop... and that pretty seems to be true.

Some people don't mind adapters, but some people do mind. The less thing for me to carry the better; 1 less item to lose while traveling. And it makes it near impossible to charge and import photos at the same time.

maybe apple will add more polish by the time it actually ships; and push me over to buy one.

*ahem* global mobile data package like kindle; would do it.

Who knows, maybe if i get to play with one at the apple store it might change my mind. First thing i will try is to power it off, then on and see how instant it powers up and is ready to use.

If i put it into another perspective, I could spend $299 on kindle, or add $200 more for an ipad and get more.

*sigh* *IF* the ipad was a divx cerified device, that would be an instant must-buy device too :D
 
iPad isn't for computer nerds

All the moaning here is hilarious.

Do you think this is aimed at you (or me)? If you visit this site, the answer is ... probably not :)

If you visit this site, you are probably (apologies if you aren't!) interested in computer hardward, software, how they work, RAM, HDD, etc etc...

This product is aimed at people who just don't care about *any* of that stuff...

And I think I'm safe in saying, there are many many more of them than there are of us....

The iPad will be a huge success. Its just not aimed a people who want as much flexibility and as many options as you get with a laptop. If you want / need that... get a laptop.

People who just want their email, web-surfing, gaming, social networking, etc etc to "just work" will love the iPad, and will buy it in droves, I think.

Cheers

Jeremy
 
Just wait for the Jailbreak.....

It will be sweet!
On my Jailbroken 3GS I have almost all the missing iPad features folks are complaining about. My iPhone replaced my laptop 2 years ago.
With the iPad's huge screen, fast processor, and presumably more memory, there will be endless possibilities. I can envision the iPad replacing my desktop. I'll have an iPad at home, iPhone on the go, and the desktop will be relegated to TV and data backup.
 
shakenmartini said:
Again, me too. Phone call still work, Chat over SMS still works, email still comes in. Wepages are still there.

The only limitation is that webpages don't load in the background

And again, the market seems to be answering how importing this supposed issue is to consumers.
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Not the same... I multi-task 3rd party applications... including IM - everything running in the background.. switch to SMS, switch back to previous 3rd party application and carry on. If I doing the same on iPhone, I'd be constantly re-starting these 3rd party applications everything I switched out.. also known as a pain in the ass!

Basically, marketing attempts to manipulate people.. i.e, just like Apple told iPhone users they didn't initially need MMS ( despite MMS being very popular - 50 billion MMS sent in 2008 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service ). Apple back-tracked on the MMS.
 
I'm very disappointed. I didn't realize the whole revolutionary niche introducton was going to be a bigger iTouch. I honestly thought they were going for something more. I've had my 3G since they were released, and it's always been jailbroken. And I'm already tired of it's limitations, and will be shoppng for something different. There's no way I would want something with all the same cons with only 'bigger' as a selling point.
 
oTaRu said:
i shall wait for geohot to jailbreak the ipad before purchasing it... :)
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You might want to go ahead and get one earlier rather than later. With the 3GS, the original ones were easy to jailbreak, but then Apple fixed the "hole" and made things harder.
I'm sure the iPad will be locked down even tighter, but I have faith in the likes of Geohot and the "dev team" to figure it out.
 
Multitasking - what it's for

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- No Multitasking. Only one application runs at a time according to official documentation.
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The answer is in how you have phrased this - only one application runs at a time - but a user only interacts with one application at a time. With Cocoa (and with any other desktop app) all events get routed to the one application.

Why multitasking? Two reasons: 1) fast task switching; 2) Communicating processes. I don't think this kind of product needs (2). (2) is really about sharing resources among multiple users. It's when you have a server with many requests and updates coming in at once, and must make sure two competing processes don't interact in such a way to get corrupted data. This is actually a hard problem.

For (1) - programs and data are persistently stored in flash memory, much faster than getting stuff off disk - performance depends on how close to the processor you keep your data. Flash is a little further away than main memory, but much closer than disk.

Most programs on the iPhone save their last state, so if you swap to another program and back you continue from where you left off. Main memory in these devices is necessarily small (that limitation might be removed in a few years). So the more you load into memory, the more your performance deteriorates (thrashing) - it is most likely better to just have one application loaded and performing well.

Task swaps between flash and main memory is most likely to be fast (OK, I'll wait for the benchmarks). Thus in theory, you have the kind of multitasking that just about every desktop user uses. (2) is really for servers where applications are dependent and interact with one another - for this go and buy a real OS X machine or even OS X server - Mac Mini Server is really cheap. I don't see that this kind of carry-round device is intended for such high-end computing applications.

Thus I don't see why people are bleating about no multi tasking - you really do have it. I expect that task swapping will be sufficiently fast. So multitasking is being given far more weight than it's worth. This really is a machine for content browsing and viewing, not for content creation. But most people only want to view and do ad hoc messaging, and no multitasking is fine for that, but as I have said, it really is multitasking.
 
ideas

It looks nice.

Why not give it the ability to use a Time Capsule as a wireless external hard drive and printer connection? It seems like the hardware should be capable of supporting this, and apple could develop some very seamless software that could make it feel hardly different than internal storage space, right?

personally, I'd like to use something like this as my only computer, but it would have to have supplemental storage, and I'd prefer it was not off in the clouds....

Is something like this possible?

I might go for it if it were. Or at least a USB port for harddrive or DVD? I guess I was hoping for more of a computer.
 
oTaRu said:
i shall wait for geohot to jailbreak the ipad before purchasing it... :)
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If Apple looked at me as their most important customer.. they'd have to hope like hell the jailbreaking community fixes most of what they screwed up. Without some major jailbreaking news, i wouldn't touch this thing.. even for $100.

locust76 said:
The HP can run a full operating system. And can multitask. And can print. iPad is just a Wallet-To-Apple interface device.
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Sadly enough, i have to agree. Apple didn't just drop the ball.. they took the air out of it, flattened and told us they aren't bringing us a new one to play with.
 
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