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So I started thinking about what I could do with this device as a student and a few things occurred to me. I have several profs who hate students using laptops for notes. One of them hates the clicking of keys. With this device I might be able to get away with actually taking notes with it since im quite adept at using the iphone keyboard and its just a larger version of that.

Then I started thinking, wouldn't it be awesome if they started carrying textbooks in the ibookstore. I mean, they have a color screen so you could see everything. It would be a lot more convenient to be able to carry all my books around in a .5 inch device then lugging the massive 300 page things that I have to now.

I know its not likely they would carry textbooks, but it would be awesome if they did.
 
but if you're not using them all simultaneously, what difference does it make?

you're not going to have the textbook and Pages and Safari up on the same screen at the same time. (well, maybe you could... but it doesn't look like that would be too efficient) ... so you don't really need multi-tasking. you need quick application switching.

Um, isn't the fact that you'd want them all on the screen at the same time the reason that OSX doesn't have a windows style maximize?
 
I'm sure it has been said multiple times in this thread, but...

No Multitasking = FAIL

I was really hoping Apple would deliver something to replace my Dell Mini 9 running OS X 10.5, but they failed. If I can't run iChat, Safari, and Mail at the same time, it is worthless. No matter what else it can do.

Strip away the specific implementations ...... it is called Gmail.
Mail and Chat inside of a webrowser pane.

Generic multiasking of random apps doesn't meet what most folks are complaining about. If just a handful of the Apple's default apps do most of the utility gets delivered for a sizable portion of the user base.
 
At first disappointed then I thought about it

There's a lot of comments that basically say, "it's a big Ipod/Iphone" with a definite note of disappointment. I too, was disappointed that it's not a tablet computer. What I wanted was basically a MacBook Air without the keyboard.

However, I thought about it some more and came to the conclusion that Apple never intended it to be a laptop replacement of any kind. We need to look at what the actual competition is to categorize the Ipad and what it's target market is then consider it in that light.

I believe it's targeted towards the ebook market. Take a look at the Kindle Dx that Amazon has. It costs $489, has only 4GB of memory, and all it does is read ebooks and download ebooks via cell phone network. The base Ipad costs $499 and is about the same form factor as the Kindle Dx. However, not only can you read ebooks, but you can get on the internet, email, use a wide variety of apps, etc. It also has 12GB more memory. All for just $10 more. From that point of view, this is an awesome product. Maybe not revolutionary innovation, but certainly a good value when looked at from this perspective.

I don't know if the market is truly there for the Ipad or not. It would be nice for my graduate classes, but doesn't really have the functionality that I would want. To really make it good in a classroom environment, it needs to be able to multitask so that a student can have their textbook "open" as well as take notes on it. To take notes it needs a stylus and an app suited for writing notes. I've tried taking notes on a laptop and it doesn't work well for me as I can't draw arrows, easily write other thoughts, connections in the margins, etc.

Anyway, just an encouragement to look at the Ipad for what it is, and not what many of us kind of hoped it would be.
 
Alright, here's my major problem with all of this. I understand a lot of people are pissed off that everyone seems to be automatically bitching because their "expectations were too high", but Apple shouldn't tell me that this thing is supposed to be the Apple solution to a netbook when it can't even do what a netbook can do. I have a dell mini 10v with a 160GB hard drive, 2GB of RAM running an N280 Intel Atom processor and OSX Snow Leopard. All of that, OS and new RAM included totaled less than $400.... blah blah blah

Apple didnt tell you anything about a revolutionary netbook devices.. all of the rumours pointed to it being a tablet, with iphone like capabilities (super-sized) with some e-book reader functionality, and a lil extra gloss n processing power thrown in..

In your mind what would of been revolutionary? A quadcore CPU, with 8gb of RAM, and a touchscreen and OSX with a 10 inch screen? Cos thats both delusional, and slightly barmy if i may be so bold.

It was never going to be a netbook.. I actually think it will be pretty cool. I dont always need a laptop to view the web while sitting in the living room, but using my phone is tedious cos its too small. So this is just about the right compromise i reckon.

Add to the mix that i can play games, sort emails, do all the stuff that i normally do on my laptop n i think its a cool concept.

Im undecided if multi-tasking is gonna be as mucha big deal as people are complaining about at the mo. But functionality always increases with more updates anyways.

But again for emphasise, it was never actually going to run OSX. Having a fully touch-sensitive OS (for now at least) is just cumbersome > see any number of Packard Bell, Acer, HP and Dell machines with Windows 7- touch enabled if you need proof of this fact.

PTP
 
"It just works"

No USB port to easily move files back and forth.

No multitasking to allow students or others to move between Safari and Pages or other applications. Even if apps open quickly, having to locate specific passages or sites over and over again would be frustrating.

No SD port to review and store photos while traveling. You have to buy a separate adapter and carry it with you. The iPad could have been a better travel blogging device.

No camera(s).

If I'm reading the Tech Specs correctly, no GPS with the Wi-Fi version.

No syncing between iPhone and iPad. How INCREDIBLE would this device be if it could share the iPhone's data connection? How much easier would things be if they could wirelessly sync their calendars and address books instead of having to go through a Mac?

The iPad seems like a thinly veiled portal to iTunes and the App Store.
 
It's ARM. That's all you need to know. They are getting better but they are too underpowered compared to regular x86 chips (including Atom)

Last time I measured it (a few years ago), my code ran on a 200 MHz ARM chip at a speed equivalent to 800 MHz Pentium IV. Assuming no progress was made on either side, 1 GHz ARM would be equivalent to 4 GHz Pentium IV which should be slightly faster than 1.6 GHz Atom.

That's if the ARM chip is single core, which we don't know. And if it is an unmodified ARM chip, not with some extensions which PA-Risc should be quite capable of building.
 
So I started thinking about what I could do with this device as a student and a few things occurred to me. I have several profs who hate students using laptops for notes. One of them hates the clicking of keys. With this device I might be able to get away with actually taking notes with it since im quite adept at using the iphone keyboard and its just a larger version of that.

Then I started thinking, wouldn't it be awesome if they started carrying textbooks in the ibookstore. I mean, they have a color screen so you could see everything. It would be a lot more convenient to be able to carry all my books around in a .5 inch device then lugging the massive 300 page things that I have to now.

I know its not likely they would carry textbooks, but it would be awesome if they did.

https://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/2...-tablet-iphone-os-based-going-to-be-terrific/

I think that the iPad could be a great device for the education world. A student could take the pad to class, have the textbook on it, highlight stuff, take notes, and then take it back to the dorm and set it up with the keyboard dock and type a paper on iwork.
 
You realize they aren't the same device, right?
Perhaps he is referring to the 4.0 OS. I see it as an issue that if you buy one in 60 days is it going to have the 3.2 OS on it? I hope not but if the 4.0 OS is delayed will early adopters be screwed like the first Touch buyers were who had to pay $20 to upgrade to the next version OS. I'm not going to get one till it ships with 4.0 OS
 
I'm a college student an I can think of a dozen things that this would be useful for. Using it to showcase my portfolio is the first thing that comes to mind. There are many other uses... but you probably wouldn't comprehend. So, I guess it's you that is short on brains.

Sorry to be so insulting, but... if you really want to show off your portfolio on a 10" screen, your work can't be that good, can it? You should want a large display to show off your best work.
 
Multi-tasking will be a "feature" enabled by a software upgrade.

Apple's first chip is the A4 and is 1Ghz.

Gee, I wonder what the 4 means?

The simplest explanation is that it means 4th generation. Previously, if not mistaken, Apple had Samsung (or some other contractor) tweak the ARM implementations used in the iPhone/Touch. In some sense those previous 3 (?) were "Apple" ARM chips too. If recall correctly, some of these have Apple logos stamped on them.

This fourth generation leap is significant (if not for the least of which they are taking ownership) so gets an "A4".

The next generational shift version will be A5. The one after that A6, etc. The ironic thing is that once you start making your own lines of CPUs you need a funky name for them. "A" + GenNumber is very simple and don't have to worry about trademarks and any goofy entanglements like that.
 
So it'll be like iphone/touch. Any of my media (films/episodes) that I er havn't acquired through itunes wont play on it. No quicktime/vlc etc..unless I convert it to bloody mp4 or whatever. That's a complete downer for me. What a shame :mad:

Try Handbrake. It'll put video into the right format for you to use on your new iPad.
 
It is about what I was expecting to be honest. My wife has an old G4 iBook that she uses to pretty much check her email and surf the web. We've been kicking around what to get her next and frankly the iPad seems to fit the bill quite nicely.

She hates the name though. She asked whether or not Apple had any women in marketing because there is no woman that would choose that name :)

I'm sure we'll end up buying one this Spring.
 
Apple didnt tell you anything about a revolutionary netbook devices.. all of the rumours pointed to it being a tablet, with iphone like capabilities (super-sized) with some e-book reader functionality, and a lil extra gloss n processing power thrown in..

In your mind what would of been revolutionary? A quadcore CPU, with 8gb of RAM, and a touchscreen and OSX with a 10 inch screen? Cos thats both delusional, and slightly barmy if i may be so bold.

It was never going to be a netbook.. I actually think it will be pretty cool. I dont always need a laptop to view the web while sitting in the living room, but using my phone is tedious cos its too small. So this is just about the right compromise i reckon.

Add to the mix that i can play games, sort emails, do all the stuff that i normally do on my laptop n i think its a cool concept.

Im undecided if multi-tasking is gonna be as mucha big deal as people are complaining about at the mo. But functionality always increases with more updates anyways.

But again for emphasise, it was never actually going to run OSX. Having a fully touch-sensitive OS (for now at least) is just cumbersome > see any number of Packard Bell, Acer, HP and Dell machines with Windows 7- touch enabled if you need proof of this fact.

PTP

:) While the imaginary device you spec'd does sound nice, I am under no delusion that it would exist anytime soon. I would, however, like to point out that Apple has made a big fuss today about how this thing is supposed to be better than a netbook, which it isn't. Considering that my netbook is roughly the same size with a small amount of additional weight, I don't see why I would need one. Having said that, I can totally see people buying this if the functions of the iPad are all they would need out of a portable device. It should not, however, come with such a ridiculous price tag. Also, "magical" and "revolutionary" are not words I would use to describe this product.
 
The 3G version of the iPad is 90 days away so it won't be released before May.

But when it gets released in May wouldn't most people just wait one more month for the release of the iPhone 4G instead? :confused:

January 27 + 3 months = April 27.
 
So I started thinking about what I could do with this device as a student and a few things occurred to me. I have several profs who hate students using laptops for notes. One of them hates the clicking of keys. With this device I might be able to get away with actually taking notes with it since im quite adept at using the iphone keyboard and its just a larger version of that.

Then I started thinking, wouldn't it be awesome if they started carrying textbooks in the ibookstore. I mean, they have a color screen so you could see everything. It would be a lot more convenient to be able to carry all my books around in a .5 inch device then lugging the massive 300 page things that I have to now.

I know its not likely they would carry textbooks, but it would be awesome if they did.

It would be a fantastic idea, but not one that will be realized in the near future. Even considering the vast amounts of publishers that your professors will attain course material from, it'll be rather difficult to have a full catalog of all available texts for all available courses without compromising the material a professor may want to access for a particular course.

It would be even more fantastic if you could mark your digital texts with notes right on the page, then have the option to show/hide your notes. Maybe in 10 years =)
 
No USB port to easily move files back and forth.

I'd imagine the iDisk in MobileMe would work for this.

How much easier would things be if they could wirelessly sync their calendars and address books instead of having to go through a Mac?

Again, MobileMe does this automatically across all your devices.

The iPad seems like a thinly veiled portal to iTunes and the App Store.

Is that a bad thing? Of course Apple wants everything to go through Itunes and the App Store.
 
After watching the keynote section on iWork... I was really impressed and it just goes to show that if an App developer wants to, they'll be able to make very powerful, complex and easy to use applications.
 
I didn't read through all the comments to see if this has been discussed yet, but with the ipad docked to your mac could this device offer the same extra screen functionality of a CINQ+ or Mimo Monitor (both are USB driven displays)?
 
"Typing in portrait is better than anticipated but still quite a stretch for our average-sized hands, which means that letters like F G and H will take a moderate conditioning for some. What about in landscape mode, sitting flat on the table? Well this is problematic too, as the iPad sort of wobbles. The back is not perfectly flat, meaning your typing surface is never perfectly flat, so the virtual keyboard becomes that much more difficult to use."

Reading comprehension, get some.

"That much more difficult" != "Very difficult"

Also as jobs demonstrated by just using the damn thing, its supposed to sit on your lap.

apologize all you want. but i'm an apple fan and i find design decisions like this maddening. i don't want an apple designer arbitrarily determining where i can use my new device. when form over function impedes function, it's bad form.
 
Not sure what you expected. Enjoy your netbook. The majority of us will enjoy the iPad.

Nope. More like enjoying our iPhones and iPod Touches. :rolleyes:



Of course, by comparison, it DOES make the Macbook Air seem more useful...
 
However, I thought about it some more and came to the conclusion that Apple never intended it to be a laptop replacement of any kind. We need to look at what the actual competition is to categorize the Ipad and what it's target market is then consider it in that light.

Not quite the right way to look at this. You need not look at the competition. You need to step all the way back to "What is the problems/issues that people want to solve with the device". When you examine the dimensions of their problems you are a grounded problem definition. From there you put together a solution.

When you start by looking at everyone else's solutions first, you typically just end up with a variation on their solutions.

There is a slippery slope here. Don't want to re-invent the wheel. So should be familiar with other solutions. However, shouldn't be confined by them either.

The people who are in the "It has to be a laptop first and then sprinkle foo/bar/baz on top" are constraining the problem description; not the actual problem.

Most people tackle problems and use tools in a serial fashion. So a serial, flexible device will suffice for most of their needs. Flexible so that can deal with people having varying issues/problems they need to solve. Serial in that it keeps the interface less complicated.


Certainly they are playing to their strengths ( already had iPhoneOS lying around ... in fact probably was a by-product of pursuing this in the first place; just escaped the deep research labs first. ). It isn't a device that tries to cover everyone. For people who use computers in pedestrian fashion this will work.







I believe it's targeted towards the ebook market.

Not going to say that "consuming knowledge" was not a problem they looked at but there likely was no single target.

I think the Kindle DX is more so an easy target. Plus Apple, at this point, has an almost institutional fixation on primary colors. Just a Black&White vs. color debate will draw them in. LOL. This allows them to get out there and mix it up with someone. That way Apple can roll out the product and then incrementally fix it. And also allow other folks with software incrementally fix it too.

[ Apple will leave full frontal assaults at Windows to Mac OS X. That is a race to the majority they have already given up on. ]




To really make it good in a classroom environment, it needs to be able to multitask so that a student can have their textbook "open" as well as take notes on it.

Somewhat unclear question from public info as to how locked/etc Apple's book format is. It is based on an open standard but that standard doesn't exactly account for this kind of mark-up. So off in the non-so-standard woods at that point.


To take notes it needs a stylus and an app suited for writing notes.

Pads of paper don't typically come bundled with pens/pencils. That really isn't a blocker.

The one possible issue will be that the sensor resolution isn't high enough for the stylus point to be effective. I suspect it will work, but not for very fine grain work. Sketches so that you don't forget your idea... I suspect will work.
 
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