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There's almost 7 billion people in the world and Apple have sold about 14 million iPads. It's not exactly saturated the market yet, has it?
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iPad Snags 75% of Tablet Market in 4Q 2010 as Android Gains Momentum
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Real world?
There's almost 7 billion people in the world and Apple have sold about 14 million iPads. It's not exactly saturated the market yet, has it?
I've yet to see an iPad in the wild.
ar, but yow live in the blackcuntry, them yam yams wunt know how ta use em
Just compare it to Android's smartphone marketshare:
In Q4/2009 Apple sold around 9 million iPhones. In Q4/2010 they almost doubled that number to 16.2 million, but still lost marketshare!
Same with Nokia: They sold 7 million more smartphones in Q4/10 than they did in Q4/2009 but also lost marketshare.
Android on the other hand increased their sales by over 600%(!) and sold over 33 million smartphones in Q4/2010 while they only sold about 5 million in Q4/2009.
So while Apple and Nokia are selling smartphones like crazy they still can't compete with the momentum Android got.
And what's even more crazy when you compare the total shipments number: About 65% (30million out of 50 million) of new smartphone buyers bought an Android phone.
What is android?
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Marketshare - really????
The numbers in the tables looked a bit suspicious to me, so I broke out my trusty spreadsheet, and you know what...
...the bottom table is simply a percentage representation of the top table.
Go figure! It cannot be marketshare, it has to be share of sales.
The numbers in the tables looked a bit suspicious to me, so I broke out my trusty spreadsheet, and you know what...
...the bottom table is simply a percentage representation of the top table.
Go figure! It cannot be marketshare, it has to be share of sales.
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Wonder what the numbers would be like if iOS was free and available to any manufacturer able to cobble together an ARM chip with a display.
Perspective.
Perspective.
Real world?
There's almost 7 billion people in the world and Apple have sold about 14 million iPads. It's not exactly saturated the market yet, has it?
He said "a" tablet; not 7 billion tablets.
7 billion / 14 million = 500.
1 tablet / 500 people is a pretty impressive number. That means, one could have seen more than 10-20 tablets if he is a normal person, who goes to work/school/college and goes to shopping, etc... blah. blah.
Keep in mind that Walgreens and some dollar store type locations were selling a ton of those sub $100.00 android tablets from China. I think most of those even had the old style touch screens like the palm pilots / PDA's (Transitive?)
It's no wonder they made up 20 some percent market share. Now, if you were to compare only the mainstream android tabs, (i.e. Samsung Galaxy Tab), and filter out the "junk" / not so serious tablet entries, you would probably see Apple's share upwards of 90-95%.
It's no wonder they made up 20 some percent market share. Now, if you were to compare only the mainstream android tabs, (i.e. Samsung Galaxy Tab), and filter out the "junk" / not so serious tablet entries, you would probably see Apple's share upwards of 90-95%.
Can you elaborate as I don't understand the point you are making.
Real world?
There's almost 7 billion people in the world and Apple have sold about 14 million iPads. It's not exactly saturated the market yet, has it?
Well using that argument, the average human being lives off less than $2 a day. I doubt many of them can afford such a product.
That means, one could have seen more than 10-20 tablets if he is a normal person, who goes to work/school/college and goes to shopping, etc... blah. blah.
But I am a normal person who goes to work and goes shopping. I still haven't seen one yet.
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Churn out as much crap as you can, throw it against the wall. Repeat. UI, design, and user experience are secondary.
It's the Dell way. Google is well on their way to mastering it.
Churn out as much crap as you can, throw it against the wall. Repeat. UI, design, and user experience are secondary.
It's the Dell way. Google is well on their way to mastering it.
If you read the article, you'd know Samsung Galaxy Tab accounts for 95% of the Android tablet sales. Next time, please read before making a comment.
LOL. You've never used Android have you? What happened to your usual argument of claiming that users prefer iOS and that they will never loose majority?
Pafft.
22% of "tablets" in the 4th quarter. What's a "Tablet?" I haven't seen their definition. Does a device sold as an eReader but just happens to be based on Android count? My guess is the $100 eReaders were included in this. These are Android devices, but if they are totally focussed on one primary market, they don't really compare or compete with an iPad.
How many real Android tablets are there? The Galaxy Tab and what else? How many Galaxy Tabs sold during that time period? How much of this was just because it was Christmas and people wanted to buy something for someone else, but didn't know better? Android OS is not optimized as a Tablet OS. Their 3.0 version may be, but what they had in the last 3 months is clearly not.
These are meaningless statistics without knowing more. Android may well grab significant market share with their real tablet OS once it's widely available, but until then these gross unit comparisons are utterly worthless.
My guess is Apple makes at least 99% of the profit in the tablet space at the moment. Because there basically isn't much to compete with it. This will change, of course, eventually. Certainly not in Q4 2010. (Of course Q4 2010 was toward the end of the iPad life cycle anyway) Apple makes money on the unit sales, and make money on the software, and will keep improving and innovating. In the current state of things, my guess is that GOOGLE makes much more money on ad revenue generated from iPads than it does on what Android tablets exist at the moment as well.
I hope the other tablets mature and provide a real alternative to keep Apple producing better and better products.
22% of "tablets" in the 4th quarter. What's a "Tablet?" I haven't seen their definition. Does a device sold as an eReader but just happens to be based on Android count? My guess is the $100 eReaders were included in this. These are Android devices, but if they are totally focussed on one primary market, they don't really compare or compete with an iPad.
How many real Android tablets are there? The Galaxy Tab and what else? How many Galaxy Tabs sold during that time period? How much of this was just because it was Christmas and people wanted to buy something for someone else, but didn't know better? Android OS is not optimized as a Tablet OS. Their 3.0 version may be, but what they had in the last 3 months is clearly not.
These are meaningless statistics without knowing more. Android may well grab significant market share with their real tablet OS once it's widely available, but until then these gross unit comparisons are utterly worthless.
My guess is Apple makes at least 99% of the profit in the tablet space at the moment. Because there basically isn't much to compete with it. This will change, of course, eventually. Certainly not in Q4 2010. (Of course Q4 2010 was toward the end of the iPad life cycle anyway) Apple makes money on the unit sales, and make money on the software, and will keep improving and innovating. In the current state of things, my guess is that GOOGLE makes much more money on ad revenue generated from iPads than it does on what Android tablets exist at the moment as well.
I hope the other tablets mature and provide a real alternative to keep Apple producing better and better products.
Why do you assume if Apple puts out a new iPad every 6-8 months it will be "crap" or won't work.
Well, if you want to get technical, equipment-wise, iPhones are usually near-obsolete within 6 months of their release. This, of course, doesn't mean it doesn't work perfectly fine though. And if you really think about it, do we really need to "hear" from the cellphone makers after 6 months? No. Besides the x.0 iOS releases, Apple really doesn't offer any update that is substantial to users. What have we received during the 4.x releases? HDR and Gamecenter? I really could live without these. And in terms of added functions during these updates, Apple usually doesn't give all the new features to all phones, usually just the latest iPhone. The iPhone GS didn't get HDR, 3G didn't get Wallpaper, and I forget, did the 3G even get FindMyPhone? Really? This is because, as you point out with the other cellphone makers, Apple wants to sell their newest iPhone.
Over 20% of tablets sold in 4Q of 2010 were from companies and products that most individuals have never heard of. Unless every product with a 5 inch screen or larger constitutes a tablet, I just don't buy the numbers. My guess is a Kindle is considered a tablet.
But it's not, so there's no perspective to your point.
And head-to-head, Android holds it's own.
To give them their due, honeycomb looks nice as a user interface. It remains to be seen the level of functionality it offers say compared with a laptop running XP, but at least i'd wait until we get some shipping hardware and a couple of review units.
Market share and profitability are not the same thing
Just as with the iOS/Android smartphone war, the tablet market is a place where differentiation and quality matter more than market share.
Why is Apple worth so much? It's not the number of products they sell but the profit margins they maintain. Apple has a massive chunk of the high end PC market and will maintain a massive chunk of the high end phone/tablet market. This allows them to keep good margins as opposed to the vanishingly small margins that most PC manufacturers make as well as keep hold of a market segment which is massively attractive to developers.
Why is the App Store more active than the Ovi store? Symbian has a massive market share so why aren't developers building for it? Two reasons - poor integration is one. Nokia has tried to change this and might even succeed in the end. The second one is harder to change - an iPhone owner is more likely to spend more money on apps than a Nokia owner. He/She is probably wealthier and more invested in the ecosystem so sees more value in buying apps and is less price sensitive.
The low end buyers of Android phones and Tablets (these are a big chunk of their market) have less money to spend and, crucially, are less interested in the higher end features of the device. They are also far more likely to switch to another OS when they upgrade than iOS buyers who have paid more for a product and thus are more invested in it both financially and psychologically.
All this is a very long way of saying that Apple isn't and shouldn't be interested in these figures. They want to sell a lot of phones and tablets but they're not interested in playing in the low end game. They're very happy making massive profits from loyal customers who buy apps, upgrade often and evangelise about their products. This is a different world than the PC market of twenty years ago. Computers are consumer products and you have to think in a totally different way to win in this market. What we mean by 'win' has to change. It's not all market share. It's far more interesting than that.
Just as with the iOS/Android smartphone war, the tablet market is a place where differentiation and quality matter more than market share.
Why is Apple worth so much? It's not the number of products they sell but the profit margins they maintain. Apple has a massive chunk of the high end PC market and will maintain a massive chunk of the high end phone/tablet market. This allows them to keep good margins as opposed to the vanishingly small margins that most PC manufacturers make as well as keep hold of a market segment which is massively attractive to developers.
Why is the App Store more active than the Ovi store? Symbian has a massive market share so why aren't developers building for it? Two reasons - poor integration is one. Nokia has tried to change this and might even succeed in the end. The second one is harder to change - an iPhone owner is more likely to spend more money on apps than a Nokia owner. He/She is probably wealthier and more invested in the ecosystem so sees more value in buying apps and is less price sensitive.
The low end buyers of Android phones and Tablets (these are a big chunk of their market) have less money to spend and, crucially, are less interested in the higher end features of the device. They are also far more likely to switch to another OS when they upgrade than iOS buyers who have paid more for a product and thus are more invested in it both financially and psychologically.
All this is a very long way of saying that Apple isn't and shouldn't be interested in these figures. They want to sell a lot of phones and tablets but they're not interested in playing in the low end game. They're very happy making massive profits from loyal customers who buy apps, upgrade often and evangelise about their products. This is a different world than the PC market of twenty years ago. Computers are consumer products and you have to think in a totally different way to win in this market. What we mean by 'win' has to change. It's not all market share. It's far more interesting than that.
Need to recalculate based on your own charts
Google - 33.3 million
Nokia - 31.0 million
Apple - 16.2 million
RIM - 14.6 million
Microsoft - 3.1 million
Others - 3.0 million
Total - 101.2
Android = 32.9% of the worldwide market for Q4 -- not 65%l Your 'estimate' was half of reality in smartphone sales.
Just compare it to Android's smartphone marketshare:
In Q4/2009 Apple sold around 9 million iPhones. In Q4/2010 they almost doubled that number to 16.2 million, but still lost marketshare!
Same with Nokia: They sold 7 million more smartphones in Q4/10 than they did in Q4/2009 but also lost marketshare.
Android on the other hand increased their sales by over 600%(!) and sold over 33 million smartphones in Q4/2010 while they only sold about 5 million in Q4/2009.
So while Apple and Nokia are selling smartphones like crazy they still can't compete with the momentum Android got.
And what's even more crazy when you compare the total shipments number: About 65% (30million out of 50 million) of new smartphone buyers bought an Android phone.
Google - 33.3 million
Nokia - 31.0 million
Apple - 16.2 million
RIM - 14.6 million
Microsoft - 3.1 million
Others - 3.0 million
Total - 101.2
Android = 32.9% of the worldwide market for Q4 -- not 65%l Your 'estimate' was half of reality in smartphone sales.
Would you buy the numbers if Apple had 99% of the market? I guess that would be easier on your eyes and not cause you to question the facts, right?
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Compare it to netbooks running XP. Not much you can do. It's sad that the market is about to become saturated with a lot of crap. Android and the Google ecosystem (if you can even call it that) is a godawful
mess.
On the other hand, this comes as no surprise. Google ha become the Microsoft of mobile, more than even Microsoft themselves. You'll have Apple's Premium user experience, and then all the rest.
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Compare it to netbooks running XP. Not much you can do. It's sad that the market is about to become saturated with a lot of crap. Android and the Google ecosystem (if you can even call it that) is a godawful
mess.
On the other hand, this comes as no surprise. Google ha become the Microsoft of mobile, more than even Microsoft themselves. You'll have Apple's Premium user experience, and then all the rest.