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This is even more incentive for Apple to make the iPad2 better, if they can't supply a decent second generation, then they deserve to lose business. The iPad is grossly lacking right now and is nothing more then a couch toy. Your move Apple. :apple:
 
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It’s great that Android tablets are shipping in some volume—more power to them! I hope someone turns it into a great platform in future. But Android sales numbers don’t make up a single compatible platform like the iPad is, nor a single vendor success. If anything they’re the seeds of a likely success for online advertising.

Android has a couple advantages in terms of sales; advantages Apple users wouldn’t want any part of:

1. Hardware turnover. People often don’t like their Android devices all that much (even some who claim to love them) and they keep trying a new one to “fix” the problems! I speak from the experience of my Android phone friends: while my iPhone friends USE their phones, my Android friends swear at their Droids and give up. Yet they rave about how great this latest Android phone (the one that is driving them nuts) is vs. the iPhone! Good old cognitive dissonance. Then they replace it with a “better” Android phone. Rinse and repeat. (I don’t even want to think about their early-termination fees; some of them get multiple new Android phones every year.) I expect a similar phenomenon with Android tablets: people will hang on to iPads because they work great, while Android devices will cause more frustration, less hours of resulting use, and more turnover as Apple-haters forever chase the iPad experience. (Yes, I know that irrational Apple-haters are only one sub-segment of the Android tablet demand. But a big one.) Then what happens to those older devices? Some get passed down as hand-me-downs, but they’ll never see the level of use of even a first-gen iPad. They boost a user base graph or a total sales graph, but aren’t as meaningful as you might think. Many more Android devices will end up in a drawer than iPads will!

2. Android hardware makers have little incentive to update the software diligently. Android devices become obsolete really fast compared to iOS devices. Android phones are a living example of what will happen with tablets: your months-old Android device often needs to be replaced just to get the latest OS version! That’s what happens when hardware and OS software are designed by multiple different companies with different goals, and forced together. And in fact, even Google’s OWN branded phones haven’t been kept up-to-date. Yikes. Better go buy a new phone! (And for Verizon users, it couldn’t be a iPhone!)

3. The iPad generated huge advance tablet interest (an advantage the iPad itself lacked at the time). That includes interest among a lot of knee-jerk Apple haters; and for every one of those people, there are two others who know nothing about technology, who want an iPad, but listen to that person when they say “this is the iPad killer!” (I’m sure there were some unhappy recipients of first-attempt Android tablets at Christmas—people who wanted an iPad!)

4. Android tablets are late. Like Android phones, they’re largely copying what came before. They’re being sold in an existing large market rather than creating a NEW one like iPad did. (Proof that the iPad isn’t just filling a tablet market Microsoft established: everyday non-techie users find huge value in tablets for the first time.) And to increase the pent-up Android tablet demand, Android tablets have been surprisingly delayed; it’s amazing how long the iPad stood essentially alone in the market. (Arguably it still does, and many of the Apple-haters "favorite" Android tablets are still vapor!) That pent-up demand boosts early Android sales.

5. The iPad is the “oldest” tablet out there... for now. Some people like what’s “new” for its own sake. I know I do! I don’t own an iPad, but I have my eye on iPad 2...

6. Android was the only iPhone-clone choice for a huge chunk of people: U.S. Verizon subscribers. I’m sure many people are lead to the same brand of tablet as their phone.

7. Android isn’t one thing at all. It’s a ton of companies lumped together into an interesting total, but not one akin to Apple’s numbers. (I’m not sure who that’s good for except the people with 7” pockets and patience for experimental platforms... you’d think hardware chaos would be good for boosting the market base that attracts developers, but it seems to be a headache for developers in the end.)

Of course the iPad has advantages of its own... and others coming soon. Luckily, I’m sure both will go on in some form! I still expect one flavor of Android from one manufacturer to emerge as a great platform—once that manufacturer (who?) takes over OS development AND hardware development, the way Apple does. This may well not be called Android, and won’t be compatible with the other Android devices out there, but Android can be the seed that lets it happen.
 
I think this is great for Apple, but I also think their percentage of the market place will fade some as the tablet market matures. Also, at some point Microsoft will come out with a tablet and take their 1% :rolleyes:.
 
Customers like you don't really give Apple any incentive to do it differently. What's the point of complaining if you are going to buy it anyway?

Well, like many customers, I can certain opt to change my mind whenever I please based on other product offerings. And at this rate, it appears that an Android-based tablet may be the more attractive buy for my purposes.
 
Keep in mind that Walgreens and some dollar store type locations were selling a ton of those sub $100.00 android tablets from China. I think most of those even had the old style touch screens like the palm pilots / PDA's (Transitive?)

It's no wonder they made up 20 some percent market share. Now, if you were to compare only the mainstream android tabs, (i.e. Samsung Galaxy Tab), and filter out the "junk" / not so serious tablet entries, you would probably see Apple's share upwards of 90-95%.

I think you nailed it. I'd like to see a comparison by tablet model. I know tons of people who got iPads for Christmas, but few who got an Android device -- but that is hardly a scientific sampling. The Android fans I know are by-and-large waiting for honeycomb. The thing about statistics is that they can be bent to say whatever you want; hence the reason I prefer the detailed breakdown by model so I can add up the aggregate numbers myself.

I for one hope that Apple does not adopt the approach of letting their competitors dictate their release schedules and features like Sony has done (see this article). I hope they stay focused on producing the best products while remaining aware of the competing market.

If their products keep meeting and exceeding my needs and expectations and maintain a superior user experience over the competition, then I will keep on upgrading my iPad to the next version every year or two. Even if the latest statistics show iOS dropping to a minority of the tablet market share it won't matter to me, so long as the iPad is the best integrated tablet experience, I will continue to buy them. The best automobiles on the market are certainly not the hottest selling ones -- nobody would argue that the Chevrolet Cruze is a better performing car than the Corvette, but I promise you will see more Cruze's "in the wild" (or "on the street", if anybody feels like getting literal).

So buy what you like -- I'm sure Honeycomb is going to produce a good tablet experience that mimics much of what iPad created with some fun Android twists. I'm sure iPad will get some new bells and whistles in 2011. I'd love for the RIM and for HP/Palm to shake things up a bit too. The only people who should really really care about these numbers are the investors (and the guy who just bought a tablet who may be concerned about the manufacturer offering an upgrade path in a year or two).
 
It's a giant Ipod touch, who's going to buy that . I mean, what's the point? :D


...and yes I've seen quite a few Ipads "in the wild."

To those of us who have used an iPod Touch or iPhone, yes, ESSENTIALLY the iPad is just a 4x larger Touch or iPhone. Are they exactly the same? Of course not.

The iPad is a nice device...and certainly has its lure to people who a)do NOT already own a Touch or iPhone. For the people that do own a Touch or iPhone, buying the iPad (other than having money to burn) is really just to get the same experience you already love in a 4x larger screen.

We own an iPad...and we have the Touch and iPhone. I love that the iPad is much larger and thus I have the same wonderful experience I have been used to for awhile. But other than the screen real estate, there's not much more "wow" to me.

I'm looking forward to see what the Rev 2 has...hopefully Facetime, a much better display/resolution, larger storage, and faster/more powerful CPU...and cheaper.
 
I disagree. I don't think Apple needs to churn out crap. They win because their stuff works. They win because they take time to make sure everything works together. Apple may never have the most "wow" factor on all the specs, but when you buy a Mac, iPhone, iPad or any Apple device you know you're getting something that will work. It will be supported and probably not be dead in the water within 6 months because Samsung ditched the Tab (as an example) to move onto something new.

My guess is a year from now, people who bought the Tab will be scratching their heads saying "now what do I do" as Samsung will be onto something new and won't even upgrade the OS for their old TAB users.

+1. I drink that kool-aid. Anybody with last year's iPhone 4 may not.
 
It’s great that Android tablets are shipping in some volume—more power to them! I hope someone turns it into a great platform in future. But Android sales numbers don’t make up a single compatible platform like the iPad is, nor a single vendor success. If anything they’re the seeds of a likely success for online advertising.

Android has a couple advantages in terms of sales; advantages Apple users wouldn’t want any part of:

1. Hardware turnover....

2. Android hardware makers....

3. The iPad generated huge .....

4. Android tablets are....

5. The iPad is the “oldest” tablet...

6. Android was the only iPhone-clone....

7. Android isn’t one thing at all......

Of course the iPad has advantages of its own... and others coming soon. Luckily, I’m sure both will go on in some form! I still expect one flavor of Android from one manufacturer to emerge as a great platform—once that manufacturer (who?) takes over OS development AND hardware development, the way Apple does. This may well not be called Android, and won’t be compatible with the other Android devices out there, but Android can be the seed that lets it happen.

All good points -- I would add that being late to the tablet party will have two implications for Android:

1) The tablet market is growing at an astounding pace and like Steve Jobs said that our PC's and tablets may eventually be akin to Trucks and cars. There is still much of the pie to go around, and hence all of these manufacturers of Android tablets are going to fight for those customers -- better "late" than never.

2) Apple rested on their laurels after Steve Job's departure years ago which let Microsoft surge past them and take the lead in the computing world. Jobs needs to make sure that does not happen under his rule. If Apple becomes complacent (probably a word that is not in Steve Jobs' vocabulary) then Android being late would still put it (or specifically, one of the Manufacturers) in a prime position to overtake Apple in functionality and usability.
 
Reading and 'rithmetic

Just compare it to Android's smartphone marketshare:
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And what's even more crazy when you compare the total shipments number: About 65% (30million out of 50 million) of new smartphone buyers bought an Android phone.


Yeah, it's crazy all right. But then how hard is that in a world in which 30 out of 50 is 65%, and the 50 is the sum of 33, 31, 16, 14, 3, and 3?
 
Pressed by an analyst at an investment bank, the Samsung executive, Lee Young-hee, acknowledged that sales to consumers were "quite small," though she didn't give a specific number.

That is what matters
 
The additional item to consider is... the android tablets were rather hacked together using a non-tablet version of the OS...

If customer experience is negative enough, it may prevent people from adopting the next generation of android tablets
 
+1. I drink that kool-aid. Anybody with last year's iPhone 4 may not.

Why? What's wrong with the iPhone4? It's been a great phone. Love the display, fast, love iOS interface... I mean really.... besides going 4G, which really is only available in some markets in limited coverage, what else would you want? iPhone4 is a great phone and holds it's own really well even to the newest of the Android based phones.
 
Pressed by an analyst at an investment bank, the Samsung executive, Lee Young-hee, acknowledged that sales to consumers were "quite small," though she didn't give a specific number.

That is what matters

Exactly... they took 25% market selling to channel not consumers. Although I'm sure Apple counts sales to Channel too, they are getting tons of sell through too.

The Tablet market for Android or other devices has not really stated yet and won't until the next wave. 2011 will show who has winners and losers... it's way to early to tell now.
 
Hah!

That's like book 'sales' numbers. I remember a publisher saying that they 'sold' a whole crap load of a book but turns out that most of those 'sales' were actually giveaways and the book was considered 'sold' because it was transferred to another party. Also hidden in their 'sales' numbers were sales to groups that bought cases of the books and gave them away, or shredded them to artificially pad the books sales numbers. The numbers became meaningless because they did not distinguish between the different types of 'sales'... It was odd to call giving a book a 'sale' but... :confused:

Oh, and I remember hearing about the sales of the Zune player. When in Target, I noticed a whole lot of them sitting in the display case. Were those units 'sold' or not I wondered... A month later nearly the same number were in the case... Yeah, it's a 'big seller'...
 
This is even more incentive for Apple to make the iPad2 better, if they can't supply a decent second generation, then they deserve to lose business. The iPad is grossly lacking right now and is nothing more then a couch toy. Your move Apple. :apple:

Current iPad is perfect for most business today: no camera.

Many business meetings today require to leave phones behind. Not so for iPad.
 
I think that you are misinterpreting the data on the chart. The numbers are NOT cumulative. There were 101M total units shipped (not necessarily sold) in Q4 2010 alone. Therefore, the 32.9% share is the correct number. Please remember that the share numbers are instantaneous statistics (ie for that measurement period only).

It seems you also didn't get my point.

Compared to Q4/2009 47 miilion MORE smartphones were sold in Q4/2010. Out of these 47 million Android sold around 28 million, or about 59%.
 
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/01/31/samsung.admits.galaxy.tab.sales.poorer.than.claims/

Samsung during the call for its fall quarter results admitted that its actual sales of the Galaxy Tab weren't nearly as strong as claimed. Although it had said it sold 1.5 million Galaxy Tabs in 2010 and two million by this month, company official Lee Young-hee when pressed said that these were only sales to carriers and retail stores, not real customers. She wouldn't say how many had shipped but was aware that it was "quite small" relative to the number reaching stores.

The sales performance was "quite OK," Lee said, but also "wasn't as fast as we expected." She was hopeful for 2011 tablet sales but saw the category as too fresh to make predictions.

Samsung's disclosure could significantly alter the real market share for Android tablets, which Strategy Analytics said had jumped to 22 percent in the fall owed almost entirely to the Galaxy Tab. Apple when it reports iPad shipments also isn't talking sales but can assume that the majority of shipments are being sold and has usually just three to four weeks of inventory left at most.

No attempt was made during the call to explain the relatively poor uptake. Critics have usually cited the lack of a Wi-Fi-only model that wasn't made available until this year and Samsung's frequent reliance on carrier-discounted 3G versions. While it superficially lowered the price of the Galaxy Tab below that of the iPad it was designed to beat, the frequent requirement for a contract at that price would often leave a buyer spending hundreds of dollars more in service, even if they only needed 3G sporadically. In the US, a Galaxy Tab is only $30 less than a 3G iPad when bought off-contract despite the smaller screen and shorter battery life.

The device's nature as a stopgap tablet may also have played a part. Many fans were already aware that Google's true tablet OS, Android 3.0, was due early this year. Such knowledge could have left many waiting for the next-generation Galaxy Tab to avoid buying a short-lived product. Since the current model doesn't have the 720p screen or dual-core processor that has been a staple of Android 3.0 tablets shown so far, it could be left running at best Android 2.3 and more likely 2.2.

Only one other major mobile platform maker has used a similar strategy in recent months. Microsoft has so far refused to discuss real Windows Phone 7 sales for the fall in favor of talking only about sales to carriers. It's commonly thought to be using a similar strategy to Samsung, where declining to mention the number of real activations helps mask significantly lower demand from customers. [via WSJ]
 
It seems you also didn't get my point.

Compared to Q4/2009 47 miilion MORE smartphones were sold in Q4/2010. Out of these 47 million Android sold around 28 million, or about 59%.

I don't think that anyone was denying that the growth of Android is at a much higher rate than the iPhone. That is the statistic on the far right of the table (Android growth is at 615% over the year ago quarter vs the iPhone growth of 86% - or in other words Android is growing 7+ times faster).

GL
 
low end

Apple doesn't sell low end junk. Other handset manufacturers (which include the other "tablets") do. An android device that is hugely underpowered and never will be updated, but was given away does not equal an iPhone sale in any terms relevant. Similarly, a cheap $100 android eReader which is not upgradable, and will never be used for anything else, and is basically a throw-away item does not equal an iPad.

Apple has half the total profits of the entire mobile phone industry, and 75% of the unit sales of "tablets" while existing solely on the high end.

Apple is hardly worried. They're too busy trying to find places to store their mountains of cash.
 
So people are counting the Galaxy Tab as millions of sales, when the reality is what, I wonder?

Pressed by an analyst at an investment bank, the Samsung executive, Lee Young-hee, acknowledged that sales to consumers were "quite small," though she didn't give a specific number.

That is what matters

Doesn’t seem like people understood that Apple was reporting real sales numbers, and Samsung, Microsoft-style, was deceptively inflating the numbers like this—massively so, it seems.


And another link (found at Daring Fireball): http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01...b-sales-actually-quite-small/?mod=rss_WSJBlog

”Then, in early January, Samsung announced sales of 2 million.”
...
“ the Samsung executive, Lee Young-hee, acknowledged that sales to consumers were “quite small,” though she didn’t give a specific number."


Android’s numbers surprised me... maybe they should have.
 
Pressed by an analyst at an investment bank, the Samsung executive, Lee Young-hee, acknowledged that sales to consumers were "quite small," though she didn't give a specific number.

That is what matters

Samsung probably isn't even breaking even on their development and marketing costs. Yet everyone else wants their share of this profit-less market?

You'd think hardware manufacturers would have learned from the example of the Dells and HPs of the PC world, making pennies on hardware while raking in mountains of cash for Microsoft. The king has his tribute, the peasants get the scraps. At least HP is finally breaking the chains with their mobile devices and webOS.

The bottom line is the vertical integration market is the way to go. Apple, HP and RIM are on the right track. Samsung, HTC, Motorola, and a thousand others will simply bleed each other to death while doing Google and Microsoft's bidding.

Insane.
 
i would not worry too much about marketshare. at the moment there is no rea competition. when i signed up for my dsl contract my internet provider wanted to give me a free tablet. no thanx. it was a real crappy ipad clone from china. it was so bad and unusable it was emberassing. :)

the real question is are there any real competetors out there? because competition is good. competiotion will make apple make better ipads. :)
 
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