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Over 20% of tablets sold in 4Q of 2010 were from companies and products that most individuals have never heard of. Unless every product with a 5 inch screen or larger constitutes a tablet, I just don't buy the numbers. My guess is a Kindle is considered a tablet.

EXACTLY,
let's see the numbers for tablets with greater than a 9" display. The numbers are fairly obvious. That is really the only competition for iPad - I am sorry -> a 7" tablet is in a different market segment than iPad for many,many reasons.
jp
 
When the next ipad comes out and blows all those androids away.

Rumors are nice but I think Apple will give us something we can't be without. :rolleyes::D

Android will gain serious momentum when v3.0 (aka Gingerbread) is released. It's a little dangerous to underestimate how popular the platform will become. CES showed how many manufacturers are preparing Android tablets...
 
If you read the article, you'd know Samsung Galaxy Tab accounts for 95% of the Android tablet sales. Next time, please read before making a comment. ;)

Guess I didn't see this in the article. Where is that? The article says "it was the main driver" because of the heavy promotion in dozens of countries . . . but 95% of the sales? Where? Being promoted simply means people are that much more aware that these things exist. Then they might go to a store and buy a $100 eBook reader based on the Android OS.
 
Exactly 2

Why do you assume if Apple puts out a new iPad every 6-8 months it will be "crap" or won't work.
Well, if you want to get technical, equipment-wise, iPhones are usually near-obsolete within 6 months of their release. This, of course, doesn't mean it doesn't work perfectly fine though.


Exactly, this is why you should only upgrade every 2 years or so. Save money and be much more impressed/happy with the upgrade. It is called delayed gratification. A concept many Americans have lost over the years. It works for sex also. Try it.
 
Why do you assume if Apple puts out a new iPad every 6-8 months it will be "crap" or won't work.

It's just not the way they operate and good hardware design just does not happen overnight. Do people really understand what goes into all this? It has to be spec'd. Designed. Mock-ups made. Refined. Manufacturing specs done, testing, suppliers contracted, etc... It's not like they just toss it together and 2 months later millions are being manufactured. Plus, let's not forget the software. Apple just does not rush their hardware. As it is, a one year cycle is pretty short when all is considered.
 
But it's not, so there's no perspective to your point.

And head-to-head, Android holds it's own.
So there's no way to adequately compare these Android trinkets with actual iOS phones and tablets.

I've used Android on different hardware. Some good, most bad. Sometimes it's usable. More often than not, it's junk. I've never picked up an iOS device that's junk.
 
If you read the article, you'd know Samsung Galaxy Tab accounts for 95% of the Android tablet sales. Next time, please read before making a comment. ;)

Nowhere in that article is there a claim that the Galaxy Tab was 95% of the Android market share. All that is stated was that it was the driver in the growth, but stopped short of mentioning any details or figures on what that "driver" means.

Maybe you read a different article on the same subject? If you did, please post the link or the passage...
 
Android = 32.9% of the worldwide market for Q4 -- not 65%l Your 'estimate' was half of reality in smartphone sales.

Please read again:
Total number of new smartphone buyers. Total sales in Q4/2009: 54 million, total sales in Q4/2010: 101 million, difference: about 47 million.

Android sales in Q4/09: 5 million - in q4/10: 33 million. 33 million - 5 million: 28 million.

28 million out of 47 million: around 59%. Ok my rough estimate was off by 6%. Sorry for that.
 
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EXACTLY,
let's see the numbers for tablets with greater than a 9" display. The numbers are fairly obvious. That is really the only competition for iPad - I am sorry -> a 7" tablet is in a different market segment than iPad for many,many reasons.
jp


Well, not to spark the "is the iPad a computer debate", but the fact that there is discussion of the iPad as a netbook/laptop replacement makes it unique. I would bet that there is ZERO discussion of replacing a netbook/laptop with a samsung galaxy tab. And having that differentiation (what would you call it-> a tablet with the ability to replace a laptop) would certainly show market share and sales numbers near triple digits in percentage in favor of apple.

That being said, the Motorola Atrix provides an interesting argument here as well - but that is beyond this thread topic.

j
 
Over 20% of tablets sold in 4Q of 2010 were from companies and products that most individuals have never heard of. Unless every product with a 5 inch screen or larger constitutes a tablet, I just don't buy the numbers. My guess is a Kindle is considered a tablet.

Interesting question. The chart says 20% of the tablets used Android and totaled 2.1 million.

We also know from other reports that the Samsung Tab sold 2 million between November and now, hitting 1 million in early December, meaning it probably accounts for what, about 1.6 million in 4Q2010 ?

That only leaves about a half million "other" Android tablets, which doesn't seem enough to be composed of all readers etc. Unless you can help out and find evidence that supports that idea. You could be right. Thanks!

Or I suppose we could just ask Strategy Analytics. Nyah, too easy.
 
I'm confused. The chart says 20% of the tablets used Android and totaled 2.1 million.

We also know from other reports that the Samsung Tab sold 2 million between November and now, hitting 1 million in early December, meaning it probably accounts for what, about 1.6 million in 4Q2010 ?

That only leaves about a half million "other" Android tablets, which doesn't seem enough to be composed of all readers etc. Unless you can help out and find evidence that supports that idea. Thanks!

:rolleyes:

Don't know.
 
It's just not the way they operate and good hardware design just does not happen overnight. Do people really understand what goes into all this? It has to be spec'd. Designed. Mock-ups made. Refined. Manufacturing specs done, testing, suppliers contracted, etc... It's not like they just toss it together and 2 months later millions are being manufactured. Plus, let's not forget the software. Apple just does not rush their hardware. As it is, a one year cycle is pretty short when all is considered.

I understand it takes time. I guess you're right. In fact, maybe Apple should've taken more time testing the iPhone 4 and we would never have heard of Antennagate, the proximity sensor problem, or the so-called Glassgate.

Look, I'm going to buy the new iPad when it comes out. It just seems like I'm buying it because it will play nice with my other Apple products and I'm pretty much "locked into the ecosystem" (I've spent plenty of Apps and such). I don't think I'll be buying it because of its raw performance, function, or versatility because based on these criteria, I doubt it'll be the fastest and most functional tablet when it finally comes out.
 
Android will gain serious momentum when v3.0 (aka Gingerbread) is released. It's a little dangerous to underestimate how popular the platform will become. CES showed how many manufacturers are preparing Android tablets...

All of which are still all vapor until they're released! :D
And if they are ever released, who cares... Needs to have dev support too!
 
Buy 1 Get 1 Free

Google hasn't released Honeycomb and it already has 22% marketshare? That's impressive to say the least.

I recently saw a commercial for "Buy 1 Get 1 Free" android tablet. I think promotions like that will help Google's numbers. However, it's easy to make cheap copies of something. The real challenge is making a quality innovative product... which hopefully is what the iPad will continue to be.
 
I got an email last night from Apple stating to buy the iPad for a Valentine's Day gift. If Apple is still pitching the 1.0 for 2/14 I would have to believe that the 2.0 iPad won't be out till June...soooo many people would be ticked off if they got an iPad in the month of Feb and a new one came out in March or April or even May.

The iPad 2.0 better be worth the 1+ year wait (because Apple won't release another till Q2 2012 anyway) and contain a lot of enhancements for a $500 minimum purchase price tablet. I haven't followed the tablet industry but there are going to be a lot of competitors this year and I have a feel Apple will be in for the fight of its life with the tablet market.
 
Android, as well as Apple's other competitors are really pushing that you can view flash content. If Apple wasn't as stubborn with making ends meet with Adobe, only then will they have a signficant advantage in the Tablet Market.
 
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Churn out as much crap as you can, throw it against the wall. Repeat. UI, design, and user experience are secondary.

It's the Dell way. Google is well on their way to mastering it.


Kind of like how Apple has been for the past few years. Way to nail it, from a fan boy perspective.
 
I understand it takes time. I guess you're right. In fact, maybe Apple should've taken more time testing the iPhone 4 and we would never have heard of Antennagate, the proximity sensor problem, or the so-called Glassgate.

Look, I'm going to buy the new iPad when it comes out. It just seems like I'm buying it because it will play nice with my other Apple products and I'm pretty much "locked into the ecosystem" (I've spent plenty of Apps and such). I don't think I'll be buying it because of its raw performance, function, or versatility because based on these criteria, I doubt it'll be the fastest and most functional tablet when it finally comes out.

Customers like you don't really give Apple any incentive to do it differently. What's the point of complaining if you are going to buy it anyway?
 
It's a giant Ipod touch, who's going to buy that . I mean, what's the point? :D


...and yes I've seen quite a few Ipads "in the wild."
 
All I know is I wouldn't want to be a hardware manufacturer trying to turn a profit in the Android tablet market in 2011.

The race to the bottom has begun.
 
Please read again:
Total number of new smartphone buyers. Total sales in Q4/2009: 54 million, total sales in Q4/2010: 101 million, difference: about 47 million.

Android sales in Q4/09: 5 million - in q4/10: 33 million. 33 million - 5 million: 28 million.

28 million out of 47 million: around 59%. Ok my rough estimate was off by 6%. Sorry for that.

I think that you are misinterpreting the data on the chart. The numbers are NOT cumulative. There were 101M total units shipped (not necessarily sold) in Q4 2010 alone. Therefore, the 32.9% share is the correct number. Please remember that the share numbers are instantaneous statistics (ie for that measurement period only).

GL
 
I understand it takes time. I guess you're right. In fact, maybe Apple should've taken more time testing the iPhone 4 and we would never have heard of Antennagate, the proximity sensor problem, or the so-called Glassgate.

Look, I'm going to buy the new iPad when it comes out. It just seems like I'm buying it because it will play nice with my other Apple products and I'm pretty much "locked into the ecosystem" (I've spent plenty of Apps and such). I don't think I'll be buying it because of its raw performance, function, or versatility because based on these criteria, I doubt it'll be the fastest and most functional tablet when it finally comes out.

Actaully, the iPhone4 is a great example where Apple had to rush it and there were some bumps in the road in the beginning. The whole proximity sensor bug was killing me in the beginning. Antennagate never affected me and I bought my iPhone4 on day one. But the point being, I think if it wasn't for the fact that they put a self imposed date out there, they would have held back some to finish iOS more to avoid some of the early issues. But the good side is, they fixed them and the iPhone4 is a great phone. I'd like to see LG or Motorola do as much when they have issue... oh wait... their solution to bad design is ditch that model and just move onto a new one. :D

As with you, I plan on getting the new iPad. But I'm also keeping it in perspective as to what a tablet is suppose to do. Yeah, some of the bells and whistles are enticing, but I really just want it for web browsing, my email, and something lighter to carry with me when I'm gone on the weekends. I also think as the game market heats up for iOS, I think the iPad will become a killer game platform.
 
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