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Re. swtiching to a fall release pattern for iPads... I'm not so sure.

Wouldn't that leave them a bit bare for new releases for the rest of the year? iPads, iPhones, iPods and new iPad minis all within three months? Doesn't seem like a smart move to me... of course I've been wrong before.

If the revised ipad 3 is only changed to incorporate the lightning, then a full new ipad 4 will come out next march.

If they go further, change screen and most importantly, the physical dimensions- then the next ipad after that will come out next October.

The gap in March could be filled by a whole new product! Apple TV?
 
I signed up for these forums just to state this one thing: No 4G, then no iPad mini for me!! If it just has Wi-Fi then I'll stick with my iPod, smaller screen and all.
 
Why the big issue for a 3G-LTE version - just use personal hotspot via iphone or is this just allowed on UK plans??

For me, the big issue is I want to be able to just turn the thing on and use it. Not setting up the phone to create a hotspot. That defeats usefulness of its portability.

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With Nexus heavily rumored to have a 3G equipped Nexus 7 in production, it would be pretty short sighted to not have a 3G enabled device to compete.

This is completey true. But let's face it, Apple can be very shortsighted.
 
16GB iPhone 5: $650
16GB New iPad LTE: $630

That's how.

So what! An iPod Touch — Something that is significantly smaller and likely cheaper to produce is starting at $299. I just see the iPad Mini as a more valuable product and more expensive to produce than an iPod Touch. That's why I say they release a 16 GB version that starts at $300.

If it lacks a "retina" display, FaceTime camera, or 3G then the $249 price appears to be very reasonable. Somehow, I feel that Apple will market the iPad mini more specifically as a reader device rather than a typical iPad.

I agree that it won't have a Retina display — but no FaceTime camera? That seems really backwards. Apple won't release an e-reader... they are releasing a tablet designed for first-time tablet buyers, commuters and children.
 
Why the big issue for a 3G-LTE version - just use personal hotspot via iphone or is this just allowed on UK plans??

Depends on the plan. Generally you could do it, but you might burn through your data allowance. With the cheaper plans there could also be an additional monthly charge which could even be more than a separate plan.

I think the real point is that if you have a 7" device, you probably don't want to also carry a 3.5" device that does much the same thing - more weight, more to lose, more to keep charged... One of my colleagues is ditching his Galaxy S3 for a Note. He admits making a phone call will look stupid, but he hardly ever does that now...
 
Where are you living? I have rarely been places where I don't have 3G service - and I'm from Cumbria.

I have decent 3G coverage where I live, but there still is a lot of places in the UK that don't have decent 3G coverage, such as more rural areas.
 
You'd be surprised how well off you can be without any cellular data. I rarely ever use my 4G just because there is frequently wifi wherever I go, school included. Before I had an iPhone 4, I was using an iPod touch, and before that, an iPhone 1 with no SIM card.

How's that work out for you when you're in a car? Try using GPS. Oh, you can't because the wi-fi iPads don't have GPS!:)

Use our iPads in the car all the time for turn-by-turn directions, looking up restaurants, attractions, etc.
 
If the revised ipad 3 is only changed to incorporate the lightning, then a full new ipad 4 will come out next march.

If they go further, change screen and most importantly, the physical dimensions- then the next ipad after that will come out next October.

The gap in March could be filled by a whole new product! Apple TV?

Indeed. I'm not saying it can't happen but if it did happen I'd expect there to be something else to fill in the first half of the year.

I don't know that the iPad needs a refresh right now. It's still far and away the best product on the market in that category and massively popular. If anything, a refresh of the iPad now would distract attention from the iPad mini which I expect to be a massive hit in the Christmas market. Remember when the iPods where the big thing to get at Christmas? Say hello to the next big (mini) thing.
 
You know what companies go bust? The ones who call their customers "moaners". Sure, you don't work for Apple; but I hope they don't adopt a similar attitude.

As for that whole "does it do everything it said it would", that's a total BS argument. It's like you've never bought anything in your life or something - there's value and depreciation.

- YES, the iPad 3 said it was LTE compatible. Apple made the excuse that the frequency bands hadn't been finalised in the UK, and that it didn't matter because the technology wouldn't be in the market for years anyway. You think it's OK to say that one month and sell millions of people an incompatible product, and then a few months later turn around and relaunch the product? Now will those things people expected the first time but you assured them wouldn't be possible for years? Was the iPad 3 really the best iPad Apple could create? It doesn't seem so. That's dishonest to your customers.

- Similarly, the iPad is an absurdly high-volume device. There are tens of millions of people who just bought a new device that accepts the 30-pin dock, and those people have expectations for how long those devices last. Things like networking standards and cables do not change on the short-term. Hypothetical: there's a cool lightning-only accessory that I want; my 6-month-old iPad isn't compatible. The usefulness of the product has decreased, and fails to live up to the expectations when I bought it.

There is such a thing as consumer rights, and treating your customers with respect. Really, it would massively undercut the money Apple's millions of customers have spent on their iPad 3s in the UK. There's no denying that.

I used to be a really loyal Apple customer because of the respect they showed their customers. I'd like to see Apple's customers demand more of them, because right now it feels like it's being taken for granted that everything will be a hit.

I'm not going to suck up to Apple and say this would be fine. It wouldn't be.

It's hard to think of an analogy because this doesn't happen often: let's say you bought a brand-new petrol-powered Ford. They sell it to you because gas it cheap and electric motors are decades away, at best. They assure you that this is the best their engineers can do. Tomorrow (or some very short time later; insignificant next to the expected lifetime of the product) they discontinue that model you just bought (and they just sold you as the best that they could do) and replace it with the electric model you wanted in the first place, as well as all kinds of smaller improvements.

Does the car still drive? Yes. Does it live up to the promise of when you bought it? Factually, yes, but in all other senses no. Will you buy another Ford? I'm guessing not. You'd feel screwed over.

Like I said, I'm going off Apple. They're no longer producing their best work to create the absolute best products around (like the company of yore); now it's all about cynically culling features to create a shallow upgrade slope - drag the process out for longer with smaller improvements out of greed.

All products have life cycles. At some point they are replaced by newer and shinier products.

When would you suggest a manufacturer (any manufacturer) upgrade their products? No matter when they do it, there are always going to be people that just bought the old one and will feel cheated.

I got my trusty iPhone 3Gs. Four months later, we had the iPhone 4. Was I cheated? No. I bought and got what I paid for (and am still happy with it, by the way).

Not familiar enough with the 3G-LTE thing to comment much other than if it wasn't working when the tablet was purchased. I wouldn't have purchased that model iPad.

People are buying the iPhone 5 like crazy. We all know an upgraded 5 will be comming. Should those buying the present 5 model feel cheated.

Computer processors are constantly evolving, especially in the pc world. So you buy a laptop one day and son of a gun, next week there's a new model with a better processor, from the same manufacturer for about the same price. Feel cheated? See, all manufacturers work the same. It's not Apple specific.
 
I always felt that sticking to one upgrade each year like clockwork was more of a liability, because it makes you predictable to your competitors. Not to mention that new tech and features you want to implement today, may not be as ground-breaking a few months down the road. Apple now has the resources to release the "true ipad3", I say they do it.

Except actual sales facts don't bear out your "feeling." Both the iPhone and iPad lines have had sequential growth since the v1 of each was released. And as far as tech goes, nothing is "groundbreaking," until Apple says it is. At least that is the mass consumer perception.

If Apple were to churn out new iPads and iPhones as fast as, say, Samsung does with its phones and tabs, much of the Apple "mystery" would evaporate. People get excited for Apple's annual iPad and iPhone announcements. But if they pushed out new models quarterly or even semi-annually it takes away from those events being "special." Apple becomes just another brand.
 
wifi only = NO GPS, NO COMPASS
wifi only = NO SALE

LTE and 7" size was the biggest draw for me.

In theory they could include GPS and a compass without the LTE. Assisted GPS uses the cellphone towers as well as WiFi hotspots, so without cellular is would be less assisted but still functional. But I agree, the other Android devices include GPS in their WiFi only models, and even have offline map support, which keep them quite useful as navigation devices.

Why would you produce a purse sized device and not make it 3G/4G?

Cost.

Why the big issue for a 3G-LTE version - just use personal hotspot via iphone or is this just allowed on UK plans??

That's what I would do, personally. I just wonder how accurate the location services would be via a tethered connection. It would be nice if specific support for that was ensured.

Stop stressing, heres the ipad mini situation:
NO retina screen
Same processor as in the new ipod touch
Available in 1 size only (8g)
Price $209 ($329 with lte)

Ipod touch 4g discontinued

I don't think Apple could release a non-retina 7" tablet now that all the other main players in that space have retina displays.
 
All products have life cycles. At some point they are replaced by newer and shinier products.

When would you suggest a manufacturer (any manufacturer) upgrade their products? No matter when they do it, there are always going to be people that just bought the old one and will feel cheated.

I got my trusty iPhone 3Gs. Four months later, we had the iPhone 4. Was I cheated? No. I bought and got what I paid for (and am still happy with it, by the way).

Not familiar enough with the 3G-LTE thing to comment much other than if it wasn't working when the tablet was purchased. I wouldn't have purchased that model iPad.

People are buying the iPhone 5 like crazy. We all know an upgraded 5 will be comming. Should those buying the present 5 model feel cheated.

Computer processors are constantly evolving, especially in the pc world. So you buy a laptop one day and son of a gun, next week there's a new model with a better processor, from the same manufacturer for about the same price. Feel cheated? See, all manufacturers work the same. It's not Apple specific.

Of course all products get upgraded, but Apple claim to always do their best: there isn't a low-end and high-end iPad. There's one iPad, and that's the best iPad Apple can engineer that year.

What people are forgetting here is that it isn't a question of refreshing every month or never updating the product at all. Of course there will be updates, but customers expect them to be reasonably timed and for their devices to hold their value for a reasonable time. It's about how often they are refreshed. A new large iPad next month would be outrageously on the side of "too soon". It's not about when people bought it; Apple just launched the thing not 6 months ago! Back then it was claimed magical and revolutionary and all that.

Apple may not have technically broken the law, but they would have sold tens of millions of customers iPads that they knew would have much less longevity than expected. It's a betrayal of your customers trust. How could you ever trust Apple again? Would you ever believe them again when they said they were making the best product they could make?

The past does exist. Products don't launch in a vacuum. If Apple can build a LTE-capable iPad now, why did they sell tens of millions of people an incompatible version just a few months ago in a major revision? It's highly misleading, and all those people who just bought iPads will know it and their relationship with Apple will be seriously damaged.

For me, I wouldn't have the same confidence buying an Aplpe product ever again. This move is so distasteful I probably wouldn't buy an Apple product again.
 
Really big mistake, IMHO, if mini is launched without 3G at least. Wifi only will limit ....don't like to do secure work in wifi hotspots. Having to carry my own wifi? We shall see.

Now they don't like design. Maybe they should wait a cycle? Then lose out to the other small tablets, especially Nexus?

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here we go again, what with all the moaners on here. Yes I bought an ipad and yes I know it will be updated at some stage and mine wont be the latest, BUT does it still do everything it said it would do on the box when I bought it? YES!!!!!


get over it

what difference if it gets updated sooner or later? will you ipad stop working? if its new you can always sell it at a good price.

It doesn't still do everything it says on the box. I purchased a "WiFi + 4G" model of the iPad that is unable to connect to UK 4G networks, present or future.
 
I remember an article from a few months, maybe a year ago that looked at what models of iPad were selling. It showed that something on the order of 80-90% of iPads sold were WiFi only. Most people just don't want cellular on their tablets. So WiFi only is a VERY smart move. Apple could even drop it from the regular iPad it likely wouldn't impact sales.

I sure as h*** don't want cellular on my device. It's why I have an iPod Touch instead of an iPhone and a WiFi only iPad. It's just not worth dealing with the cost and the hassle and the frustration of the cellular companies.
 
It doesn't still do everything it says on the box. I purchased a "WiFi + 4G" model of the iPad that is unable to connect to UK 4G networks, present or future.

It doesnt say wifi + uk lte, it was pretty clear at launch that 4g would only work in the states.
 

The first study looked at total global shipments; the second study sampled 9,000 Americans, of whom only 22% actually owned tablets.

In the second study, the implication is that the number of iPad owners only grew by 25%. This seems inconsistent with the actual increase in iPad shipments of over 70%.

Given that shipments are relatively easy to estimate, the implication is that either the second survey has some methodological flaw (some kind of sampling bias, for example), or Apple is has been increasing share like crazy outside the USA.

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Yes, same for us in Australia. If they do put a global LTE chip in 'The New iPad' I will be pissed, as i only got my iPad a few months ago. Wouldn't be very happy at all.

But what can you do, technology evolves too quickly these days for some things.

A global chip was not available when "The New iPad" came out. So which would have been your preference:

1. Not introduce the original New iPad with any LTE at all?
2. Delay introduction of the global chip for some period of time?
3. Do exactly what Apple is (rumored to be) doing?
 
I would hate the ipads to now be updated to support European frequencies of 4G... especially cuz that would be a big ass f you to all of us 3g owners...
 
Given that shipments are relatively easy to estimate, the implication is that either the second survey has some methodological flaw (some kind of sampling bias, for example), or Apple is has been increasing share like crazy outside the USA.

Or the increased sales have been going to other corporations or organizations. Keep in mind the number of business that are now supplying iPads to their agents as both work and field "digital-clip boards" in-place of laptops. Any iPads that are going to be purely internal won't need 3G/4G and will use the buildings WiFi. Schools are a very good and easy example of this kind of model, but it works for business as well.

Example, look that McDonalds in Virginia, mounting iPads onto tables. That's an increase in shipment without a corresponding increase in actual personal ownership.
 
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