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HP Slate runs flash. along with other tablets. no need for special apps. code once and run anywhere

The HP Slate doesn't have a firm release date or even confirmed hardware specs. At best it will be a typical Win 7 netbook with a touchscreen in the place of a keyboard and trackpad. That means it will be slow, bloated and feature a UI that is meant for the wrong input method. Many of the apps people will be running on the Slate will also be designed for desktops and meant for machines with more CPU and RAM. It's a mistake for a Windows machine to lack a mouse and keyboard.

The "game changing" sauce that the iPad is bringing to the market is a mature UI and development platform for touch based input along with standardized hardware. I guarantee that your actual experience running apps on an iPad will be much more responsive and intuitive than on the HP Slate.
 
There is a point where quantity turns into quality. A 9" iPod Touch isn't an iPod Touch anymore, it is something new and better.

What does that even mean?

There is a point where quantity turns into quality? Ahhhh we need to start teaching better critical thinking skills. :confused:
 
Sorry but this screams like TRYING to find uses, rather than it actually being needed. When would you be working on these charts using the touch screen??? And if youre going to bother hooking up the add on keyboard, why not fire up your laptop and use full excel with maybe a few other tasks running 8in the background??

Honest question
Why do folks not interested in an iPad come here to tell us that. Just do not buy one and that will show us. This seems like the LDS or Jehovah witness missionaries trying to convince us they have the way. What drives all you PC types that makes you even visit a site like this? I would never go to a Windows site and throw mud. It is not productive and I am sure no potential buyer of the iPad has changed their religion to opt for the HP Slate or whatever antiPad you are pushing. Get off your keyboard and out of your mother's basement into the air. And lastly what is 8in?
 
What does that even mean?

There is a point where quantity turns into quality? Ahhhh we need to start teaching better critical thinking skills. :confused:

I think what he meant was "Quantity is a Quality all on its own" - Josef Stalin. In this case the quantity of the screen size effects the quality of your experience.

Frankly I don't get why a 9" iPod Touch is a bad thing. The 3.5" screen on the iPod is by far it's biggest hinderence to providing feature rich content creation apps. Despite being built upon the same core tech, the screen real-estate will create a fundamentally different experience.

If you ignore this, you are blind.
 
Most Popular... ?!

First, the main thrust of the survey seems to be awareness, which has nothing to do with popularity. So the headline is at least misleading.

I bet a higher number of the same respondents would be aware of the biblical Devil, yet I doubt MacRumors would run a headline that the iPad is most popular among devil-worshipers.

Second, the 10% with purchasing plans within six months is a meaningless number. Phrasing the question within such long timeline, I am surprised only 10% answered in the affirmative.

Third, most would use the iPad for music (!!! - get a more portable iPod, for devil's sake!) and for web-browsing.

Oh-oh, web-browsing.... Just wait for the lines at the Genius bar, all asking "Why can't I watch Hulu?" and "Why can't I play my Facebook games?"

It's the (lack of) Flash, stupid!
 
Sorry but this screams like TRYING to find uses, rather than it actually being needed. When would you be working on these charts using the touch screen??? And if youre going to bother hooking up the add on keyboard, why not fire up your laptop and use full excel with maybe a few other tasks running 8in the background??

Honest question

I wasn't trying to find uses, I was replying to a previous poster repeating things that I don't believe are true. I don't believe most laptops (at least not mine) are as portable as a 1.5 lb. "slate". And for that more portable device, I can do many of the things a laptop can do that I can not do on the iPhone either due to the app not existing, or just plain lack of practicality on a tiny screen. I don't buy into the "if i have to carry [a very small bag], it's the same as carrying [a significantly larger, heavier bag]". Hell, why dont i carry my Mac Pro and a UPS around in a suitcase ;)

To answer you question, yes i would be working on these charts using the touchscreen. Though I haven't seen it yet, i trust that OmniGraffle will work nicely on the iPad. I won't be using the keyboard dock, but i might use a portable bluetooth keyboard from time to time as an OPTION (which will still be more portable than a macbook pro).

What are these "background tasks" you think I would want to do? It sounds like you're trying to assume things I don't need to do are "actually needed" (by me).
 
Why do folks not interested in an iPad come here to tell us that. Just do not buy one and that will show us. This seems like the LDS or Jehovah witness missionaries trying to convince us they have the way. What drives all you PC types that makes you even visit a site like this? I would never go to a Windows site and throw mud. It is not productive and I am sure no potential buyer of the iPad has changed their religion to opt for the HP Slate or whatever antiPad you are pushing. Get off your keyboard and out of your mother's basement into the air. And lastly what is 8in?

Whoa whoa whoa!

firstly I thought this was a forum, as such u guess its for debate and exchanging ideas??

exactly where was I pushing some other platform?

I'm arguing with the whole concept of slates as they are and people banging on like the ipad is the next coming of Jesus.I'm just not convinced that's all.

but I wish no ill will on ipad. may it go on to be a raging success and apple make billions and people be happy. but let's not pretend this is much more than a consumption device, which id why only publishers have been making the noise so far, MAINLY.

but seriously I couldnt care less, let Apple make loads of cash as long as they can grow bigger and get another division solely dedicated to MAC and Logic, I'm happy :)
and honestly, picking up on an Obvious typo?? weak.

how bout dome counter arguments instead of rubbish when you really don't have a clue who's behind the keyboard?! lol
 
I wasn't trying to find uses, I was replying to a previous poster repeating things that I don't believe are true. I don't believe most laptops (at least not mine) are as portable as a 1.5 lb. "slate". And for that more portable device, I can do many of the things a laptop can do that I can not do on the iPhone either due to the app not existing, or just plain lack of practicality on a tiny screen. I don't buy into the "if i have to carry [a very small bag], it's the same as carrying [a significantly larger, heavier bag]". Hell, why dont i carry my Mac Pro and a UPS around in a suitcase ;)

To answer you question, yes i would be working on these charts using the touchscreen. Though I haven't seen it yet, i trust that OmniGraffle will work nicely on the iPad. I won't be using the keyboard dock, but i might use a portable bluetooth keyboard from time to time as an OPTION (which will still be more portable than a macbook pro).

What are these "background tasks" you think I would want to do? It sounds like you're trying to assume things I don't need to do are "actually needed" (by me).

Can you stick a ipad in your pocket? Exactly, nor can you do that with a netbook/laptop/desktop... so how is it anymore portable than a netbook?
 
Can you stick a ipad in your pocket? Exactly, nor can you do that with a netbook/laptop/desktop... so how is it anymore portable than a netbook?

I didn't say it was any more portable than a netbook... But, it still is, because it's thinner than most any netbook, especially if the netbook has an extended battery. And lighter than most. Anyway, I said it was more portable than what's considered a laptop.

I think weight and bulk is part of portability, even if both items being compared don't fit in a pocket.
 
I am dead serious. I suspect a lot of "normal" people view it as a 9-inch ipod touch.

I would *love* a 9-inch ipod touch! Same ease-of-use, and a larger screen so they can do more with the application user interfaces. Can't wait.
 
I'm surprised that 18% of people who own Apple products do NOT know about the iPad. The surveyors should have asked a follow up question of, "Is your head currently located in one of your orifices?":confused:

I own Sony stuff but don't know everything they are releasing

Same with EVERY other manufactuerer

Just because you are aware, not all are
 
Quite encouraging, since nearly everyone and their dog own an iPod.

Oh gee whiz, did I disrespect my dog by not buying him an iPod before he died:(? However, my cat likes mine:D. He lays on it whenever he can.

Actually, I would like to know who this survey was given to and the geographic area(s). Was it one of those pick your salary level check boxes? Six figures is extremely high for that age group, especially late teens and early twenties unless you are a doctor, lawyer, or some profession of that level. Just curious.

I plan on getting the iPad but only after I have a chance to use one in the Apple store. For me it would be nice to have one right now as I'm sitting on the sofa with a 17" MBP on top of a lap desk on my lap.

As an aside, how did this go from a survey to another iPad bashing thread? Just wanted to know.
 
Actually, I would like to know who this survey was given to and the geographic area(s). Was it one of those pick your salary level check boxes? Six figures is extremely high for that age group, especially late teens and early twenties unless you are a doctor, lawyer, or some profession of that level. Just curious.

This is not a statistically meaningful poll like gallup or another polling organization would do involving a random sample. The respondents to this survey are members of NPD's "online panel," and thus hardly reflect actual demographics. Not to say that you can't find some meaning in the survey...but it's hard to know what the fact that 10% of people in an online panel are interested in buying an iPad might mean.
 
for all you elitists, i actually see a lot of chinese people on the NYC subway who look like they are pushing 60 and don't speak english with iphones and ipod touches. most women have Nano's. most hispanics seem to have the classic ipod. and teens like the Touch as well
 
1 in 4 apple owners registering interest. In my opinion Apple should be worried about that stat. I would consider myself an Apple fanboy, but the iPad just has little appeal.

So because you are don't find the device appealing means Apple should be worried?

The iPad is not targeted towards nerds or hardcore Apple fans.
 
the other tablets

multi-touch
support flash
bookreader is one of the features
can visit more websites than the ipad
no app bloat like on the ipod/iphone

You gotta be smoking what you find on the floor of a chicken coop if you don't know that the iPad doesn't have multi-touch.

Neither the Nook or Kindle support flash, so you must be talking about some imaginary peecee tablets that haven't even got a firm future delivery date.

As for the other tablets on the market, book-reading is all they do.

As far as I've heard, the Nook and Kindle can't surf the web at all, so where do you get that they can out-surf the web?

Having no app bloat is like bragging that your car doesn't have a radio, heater, air-conditioning, and is missing its passenger door.
 
Housewives???:p


Yes. Much to the dismay of the Engadget readers, like me, there are MANY MANY MANY more housewives in this nation than there are electronics enthusiasts. Go ask Sony and Microsoft about when Nintendo cornered the "everyone else" market while they kept fighting over the fanboys. If Apple plays their cards right, the iPad could be nearly as ubiquitous as the iPod.

Peace
policy
 
The HP Slate doesn't have a firm release date or even confirmed hardware specs. At best it will be a typical Win 7 netbook with a touchscreen in the place of a keyboard and trackpad. That means it will be slow, bloated and feature a UI that is meant for the wrong input method. Many of the apps people will be running on the Slate will also be designed for desktops and meant for machines with more CPU and RAM. It's a mistake for a Windows machine to lack a mouse and keyboard.

you are a one-in-a-million who sees past the hype of the hardware, and sees the peecee software isn't touch-aware, so using an HP Slate or any of the other coming hardware products will come to market with an UI that fits poorly or not at all with any existing software.

The "game changing" sauce that the iPad is bringing to the market is a mature UI and development platform for touch based input along with standardized hardware. I guarantee that your actual experience running apps on an iPad will be much more responsive and intuitive than on the HP Slate.

I'm with you 100% on this statement too. The ipad, being leveraged off of the experiences gained and the software written for the iPhone and iPod touch will mean a very satisfactory experience for users from day one.

Any other platform would give anything to have millions of users already familiar with their touch interface, a ready store to provide a rich one-stop outlet of hundreds (if not thousands) of touch-optimized applications from day one, all backed up by experienced software developers for the platform.

(as Steve Ballmer once announced while doing his famous monkey dance, It's all about developers, developers, developers.)

In one single stroke, Steve Jobs created a second road to the future that is not only free from Microsoft's dominance, but has incredible momentum to sweep most of the non-desktop business along with it.
 
Actually, I would like to know who this survey was given to and the geographic area(s). Was it one of those pick your salary level check boxes? Six figures is extremely high for that age group, especially late teens and early twenties unless you are a doctor, lawyer, or some profession of that level. Just curious.

You're missing a huge and significant demographic: tech workers. My husband and I don't have college degrees but hit the demo due to working in the tech industry. And I bet most similar households have at least one person who wants an ipad, as well as several other apple products on hand already.
 
Can you stick a ipad in your pocket? Exactly, nor can you do that with a netbook/laptop/desktop... so how is it anymore portable than a netbook?

The iPad trumps a netbook as more portable in weight, bulk and battery life. Furthermore if you compare the 3G iPad to a netbook, it has within itself the ability to connect directly with the internet...another portability feature.

As Steve Jobs explained, the iPad is not to replace the pocket devices, such as the smart phones, nor is it expected to surplant the laptop market. Both have their market segments; although they may overlap somewhat. The iPad fits in that portable space where the Kindle sits and does more than the kindle and less than a laptop. It is designed to very portable, light weight and lacking bulk, like a table of paper or a book. It is designed to be instantly on and use power much more sparingly... unlike a netbook or laptop. It was also to be less costly than a laptop and it accomplished that goal as well.

If anything, I see the iPad positioned very well to be the ideal device for a more portable culture, and if it takes a bigger part of any market, I see it taking away from the laptop market more and more. Netbooks may always persist just as the market for $10 digital watches and $30 mp3 players inside plastic packaging continue to swing from their display hooks in discount outlets.
 
You're missing a huge and significant demographic: tech workers. My husband and I don't have college degrees but hit the demo due to working in the tech industry. And I bet most similar households have at least one person who wants an ipad, as well as several other apple products on hand already.

I do not disagree with you however, according to the Dept. of Commerce, U.S. Census Bureau for 2005 only 6.24% of the population had individual incomes over $100,000.00. There is another article on the web that indicates that may be up to 15% currently. I just believe the figures are skewed to a specific demographic and may be misleading to the majority. I live in the largest IT area in the U.S., that is, the Baltimore, DC and northern VA area and probably the largest population of "individuals" earning over $100,000.00. The vast majority of individauls in the specified age group would not be at that level.
 
Judging by the content that is already in the first iteration of the iPad I'd say it already is a success.

I would say so too. I am definitely getting one, but I don't think I'll be able to get away with it. My wife just loves the iPod Touch I got for her and I can see my iPad disappearing once she discovers the HD games on it. When I look at the initial momentum behind iPod and iPhone compared to their success now, and when I look at the momentum that's behind iPad already, both in terms of content, media coverage, and accessories, I can see quite clearly where this will go.
 
Mmmmkay, so basically it's saying young people with lots of disposable income are looking to buy the iPod Touch XXL? This is.......news?
 
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