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iPad3 No Retina - Ok, Sad, Angry, Disappointed, Suicidal?

poloponies said:
Assume away, but I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions from a "look at me" press release.

I KNOW I'm sounding like a broken record, but "retina display" is only one piece of the equation. Processor/battery are equally important. And let's not forget COST. You need to stuff all that into a package the same size or lighter than what you see today to make it a strong selling point.

I know I'm speculating also, but I can't see all that happening in 8-9 months.
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I know the display is only part of the equation; however, and its a big however, it it really does require 40% less power to run its actually two parts of the equation because that can easily sort the battery out.

If samsung has developed something they are looking to sell it has to be price competitive because like it or not $500 is the accepted baseline for tablets. If their screen is hugely expensive no one will buy it.

It is possible this was just done just to prove they could.
 
darngooddesign said:
I know the display is only part of the equation; however, and its a big however, it it really does require 40% less power to run its actually two parts of the equation because that can easily sort the battery out.

If samsung has developed something they are looking to sell it has to be price competitive because like it or not $500 is the accepted baseline for tablets. If their screen is hugely expensive no one will buy it.

It is possible this was just done just to prove they could.
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That's a lot of "ifs." The "40% less" figure needs a baseline to compare it to. You need to put it in a completed device to make a meaningful evaluation of battery consumption. I seriously doubt that it's going to reduce the iPad 3's power draw by 40%. These are show-offy sound bites.

As for price -- don't jump to conclusions there, either. If it's not in the headlines, there's a reason.
 
poloponies said:
That's a lot of "ifs." The "40% less" figure needs a baseline to compare it to. You need to put it in a completed device to make a meaningful evaluation of battery consumption. I seriously doubt that it's going to reduce the iPad 3's power draw by 40%. These are show-offy sound bites.

As for price -- don't jump to conclusions there, either. If it's not in the headlines, there's a reason.
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You do realize which site we're on right? ;)
 
s15119 said:
I don't expect it. I don't care. You're taking random comments on a "rumors" board too seriously.
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I will say what is on my mind, it may appear as though I am taking these things too seriously, but most of what I read on here I take with a grain of salt.:eek:

lol
 
Sometimes I think that individuals who "expect" a retina screen on ipad3 must not be very good at math.

Why no "retina" display?
1. Screen would be too expensive, especially since the yield rates (ie, defect free screens) are low with that number of pixels. Apple's manufacturers have barely been able to produce 1024x768 screens in the numbers that Apple has needed.
2. Battery life, more pixels to drive, more current demand. Steve is not going to sacrifice battery life to make an even a higher density screen for a $500 device that already has a higher pixel density then his $2000 MBP.
3. GPU. Would require a better GPU to drive decent textures on that size screen. Mobile GPU in laptops with cooling fans are barely up to that task, and craming one of those in an ipad would turn it into a hotplate. Ouch, don't put it in your lap.
4. Apple has finally started to make some headway with getting developers turned on to making HD versions exclusively for iPad. How long do you think it would take to actually get any decent number of apps turned out for the new xHD display? 2013-2014?
5. all the HD apps would look like crap, like iphone apps currently look on the ipad. Would you really pay $$$$$ to buy a "retina" ipad that had maybe a dozen nice looking apps, and 100000 crappy looking ones available?
6. Do you really thnk you can buy a full blown tablet with a 2048x1536 display for $500, when a monitor with that kind of resolution alone will run you $600 today?
7. Retina display is a stupid concept. Sure, an iphone held 10" from your face benefits from high resolution, but the ipad sitting on your lap is already close to achieving "less then 0.6 arc-minutes". It is twice the distance from your face, so only needs half the ppi to deliver the same effect. Ok, ok, the ipad as it exists is only 40% of the ppi of the iphone4 (132 vs 326), but that is close enough.

The really telling point is the whole yield rate issue. Trying to mass produce displays with that pixel density would result in an unsustainable rejection rate of 10-15% of panels, or more. Maybe in 2014, but display manufacturing ech just isn't up to the job yet. Would you be willing to accept 30 dead pixels for the sake of owning a "retina" display?

You want your ipad to have a retina display? Hold it 2.5 times further from your face then your iphone. Mission accomplished.
 
Don't care. Don't care at all. The screen is just fine on the iPad 2.
 
To the people who are convinced no retina display, and by that I mean, no 2048x1536 type screen.

And it won't happen for ages as it's too much data to shift around and it's too difficult to make such screens in mass quantities.

What do you think Apple will do?

Do you think they will increase the screen res just a little then, and how do you think they would deal with this regarding all current software?
 
Rivals have yet to catchup with the iPad 1. Apple is under no pressure to release a retina display for The iPad, at least not this year. Such a manic resolution would need a computerful yet efficient ARM processor. There are some quad core ones in pipe line for.

The biggest reason why a retina display iPad would not make sense is because it would have a higher resolution this MacBooks costing 3-5 times more. For a company selling professional equipment to the creative industry this would be utter ridiculous. It would be like Audi equipping the TT with an engine more powerful than the one in the R8.
 
Can you imagine what kind of yield rated they would have, with that kind of density, I would rather see more ram (1 or 2gb), larger storage 128/256gb, and maybe a bit thicker for even better battery life. they can call it the iPad Pro.
 
Piggie said:
Just wondering.

The whole hype and expectation engine on the forums seems to almost be guaranteeing a Retina Display 2048x1536 for the iPad3 next March.

It was almost expected, rather hopefully for iPad2, but as we know it was a bit early for it, and it never happened.

Unless Apple are living in a different world, they must know everyone is expecting this new 4x screen res for the next model. As that's going to be it's BIG point.

I don't think anyone is expecting much on Weight, Battery life, Physical size.
The only things for iPad3 are Better Camera's, better chipset and the retina display.
Those are the 3 box's I feel most are expecting will be ticked by the new model.
Oh and perhaps a 128GB model, though with Apple's premium on the price of memory that's going to bump it up a LOT for a 128GB model.

Does anyone feel that it's still going to be too early for retina display even next year, and there is just not going to be the chipset power to drive it, and/or there is just not going to be the screens in mass production to supply the numbers Apple will be wanting?

I get the feeling it's going to be a major MAJOR disappointment if Retina does not happen for iPad3.

Thoughts?
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Why are you speculating about features on a product that doesn't even exist? Is it your normal practice to pre-emptively disappoint yourself regarding specifications for a non-existent product? If you have a suggestion for Apple, why don't you send that suggestion to Apple? Whining about it here isn't going to make it happen.
 
I do expect that Apple will go to a higher resolution display with the iPad 3--and the mostly likely resolution is 1280x960, which will allow for cleaner-looking display fonts for web page display and for the iBooks application.
 
I revise my previous post. I think the OP should commit suicide if iPad 3 does not contain a "retina" display. I think that's best.
 
AZREOSpecialist said:
Why are you speculating about features on a product that doesn't even exist? Is it your normal practice to pre-emptively disappoint yourself regarding specifications for a non-existent product? If you have a suggestion for Apple, why don't you send that suggestion to Apple? Whining about it here isn't going to make it happen.
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Because unlike an Animal that only think and exists in the "NOW." Humans have more advanced brains and think of the future also.

It's part of the enjoyment of technology looking to the future and wondering what will be next.

How boring it would be not to look forward with expectations for the future.
 
tmarks11 said:
Sometimes I think that individuals who "expect" a retina screen on ipad3 must not be very good at math.

Why no "retina" display?
1. Screen would be too expensive, especially since the yield rates (ie, defect free screens) are low with that number of pixels. Apple's manufacturers have barely been able to produce 1024x768 screens in the numbers that Apple has needed.
2. Battery life, more pixels to drive, more current demand. Steve is not going to sacrifice battery life to make an even a higher density screen for a $500 device that already has a higher pixel density then his $2000 MBP.
3. GPU. Would require a better GPU to drive decent textures on that size screen. Mobile GPU in laptops with cooling fans are barely up to that task, and craming one of those in an ipad would turn it into a hotplate. Ouch, don't put it in your lap.
4. Apple has finally started to make some headway with getting developers turned on to making HD versions exclusively for iPad. How long do you think it would take to actually get any decent number of apps turned out for the new xHD display? 2013-2014?
5. all the HD apps would look like crap, like iphone apps currently look on the ipad. Would you really pay $$$$$ to buy a "retina" ipad that had maybe a dozen nice looking apps, and 100000 crappy looking ones available?
6. Do you really thnk you can buy a full blown tablet with a 2048x1536 display for $500, when a monitor with that kind of resolution alone will run you $600 today?
7. Retina display is a stupid concept. Sure, an iphone held 10" from your face benefits from high resolution, but the ipad sitting on your lap is already close to achieving "less then 0.6 arc-minutes". It is twice the distance from your face, so only needs half the ppi to deliver the same effect. Ok, ok, the ipad as it exists is only 40% of the ppi of the iphone4 (132 vs 326), but that is close enough.

The really telling point is the whole yield rate issue. Trying to mass produce displays with that pixel density would result in an unsustainable rejection rate of 10-15% of panels, or more. Maybe in 2014, but display manufacturing ech just isn't up to the job yet. Would you be willing to accept 30 dead pixels for the sake of owning a "retina" display?

You want your ipad to have a retina display? Hold it 2.5 times further from your face then your iphone. Mission accomplished.
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1) mass production solves this issue
2) Battery life is always improving. Doubling the resolution will have an impact, but not significant enough
3) Non-issue. Mobile GPUs are improving at an extremely rapid rate
4) Developers will make apps. That is a guarantee
5) It will follow a similar iPhone 3gs --> iPhone 4 transition
6) yes
7) completely subjective



And no, I would not be willing to accept 30 dead pixels. Because there won't be 30 dead pixels.
 
Piggie said:
Because unlike an Animal that only think and exists in the "NOW." Humans have more advanced brains and think of the future also.

It's part of the enjoyment of technology looking to the future and wondering what will be next.

How boring it would be not to look forward with expectations for the future.
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LOL... I don't see any "enjoyment of technology" in your post, can you please point out the enjoyment part? I guess you must enjoy complaining.
 
Piggie said:
Because unlike an Animal that only think and exists in the "NOW." Humans have more advanced brains and think of the future also.

It's part of the enjoyment of technology looking to the future and wondering what will be next.

How boring it would be not to look forward with expectations for the future.
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I must also ask, how do you know animals "only think and exist in the NOW"? Have you asked one? Oh wait, that's right, we can't communicate with animals... so if we can't communicate with them, how on earth can we know what they are thinking? Somehow I suspect that if animals could express to us their hopes for the future, iPad wouldn't be any part of it.
 
Troll?

It's almost certain there will be a 'retina' display on the iPad 3. Software proves it. The iPhone has already had its display enhanced, and the iPad is on the way. It will be one of the biggest selling points of the iPad 3, and Apple knows this-- otherwise it'll just be an improved iPad 2.
 
retina display for the iPad is a tall task, it is exponentially harder to engineer and design it for the iPad let alone mass produce.
 
ESPN said:
retina display for the iPad is a tall task, it is exponentially harder to engineer and design it for the iPad let alone mass produce.
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The mass production is one of the major issues with the retina displays. Apple can keep the costs relatively low due to the scale Apple needs to order in, but can they find a producer that can produce a new high res screen fast enough and with a high degree of reliability.
 
Um.. Every analyst up to the iPad 2 launch said a retina like display is coming. Even an apple employee stated that SJ wasn't happy with the iPad 2 not having the higher res display, and to wait for the iPad 3 which will change the game.

It's the precise reason I decided to wait.

Will it have a retina like display 300+ DPI? No, I don't think so, but will it have something twice as better as the current? Yes. Definitely.

I think SJ is going to keep the same form factor as iPad 2 but throw in a better screen. This will be an instant buy for me as the iPhone 4 made me very picky. Every time I read on my iPad, I see the jaggies.
 
Cha said:
The mass production is one of the major issues with the retina displays. Apple can keep the costs relatively low due to the scale Apple needs to order in, but can they find a producer that can produce a new high res screen fast enough and with a high degree of reliability.
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Apple has already secured contracts with Samsung, oh... and Samsung just finished a high res screen for tablet 9.7 inch form factor. hmm
 
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