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iPadOS 16's Best Feature is Limited to M1 iPads

landi.erik said:
As a developer how can I target an application for correct external display support when the majority of iPad Pros only support a gimped version of an external display? External display support was clunky from the beginning, the fact you can not output an aspect ratio other then the Native ratio of the iPad itself is asinine.
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As a developer you should know there are several iPad apps that have full screen output to an external monitor when connected with a cable or using AirPlay. It's been supported for years on an app by app basis in several games and image/video editing apps.
 
Chad Johnson said:
lol. That’s why it should be an option to toggle. Not that difficult. Apple just doesn’t want to cannibalize their own laptop sales.
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You have an opinion, but you haven't thought it through fully enough for that opinion to count. Just because you think it's a good idea, doesn't mean it will work for the millions of people who use the iPad for what it is.
 
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Very disappointed to hear this. At least the Pro with A12Z should have got it. Looks like more features in the future will be limited to only iPads with M1 and newer chips.

Apple can increase iPad sales this way!!
 
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bluecoast said:
True, but I would expect that Pro customers are demanding it.

Ever used a departmental/shared iPad at work?

Usually, a generic department iCloud account will have to be created and you have to deal with other people changing various settings etc. etc. As well as the security issue of allowing lots of people to know the passcode for that device and the various network points etc. etc that it will be able to access. You could say the same for families with a shared iPad too.

I don't think that it will hurt Apple's bottom line too much either.

I'm sure that multi-user support will again, be a Pro Mx feature i.e. only on the most expensive iPads.

For me, I know that this will finally persuade me to buy an iPad Air as my girlfriend and I can then both use it properly.
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I imagine families would be the biggest recipient of shared accounts, but they are also the least likely to rant about it online. I don’t agree it’s a “pro” feature though. Schools and households are likely purchasing entry level iPads for use and limiting said feature to the highest end iPads serves little benefit, as the people buying iPad Pro’s are likely for personal use.
 
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StudioMacs said:
As a developer you should know there are several iPad apps that have full screen output to an external monitor when connected with a cable or using AirPlay. It's been supported for years on an app by app basis in several games and image/video editing apps.
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Which actually goes to prove the point the A12Z/X can actually drive both a monitor and iPad display at the same time.

So on an app by app basis we get extended display support, but your telling me there is a technical reason I can’t have extended Display support on a system level? Yeah okay that sure makes a lot of sense 🙄

Look I get the fact Apple wants to make money it is a publicly traded company after all. That does not mean as paying customers or app developers that we cannot question/comment the “Wisdom of All Knowing Apple”. Look I get Apple Fandom, lord knows how many iPhone lines I stood in back in the day, but let’s not forget they’ve backtracked on supposed technical reasons before…
 
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landi.erik said:
Which actually goes to prove the point the A12Z/X can actually drive both a monitor and iPad display at the same time.

So on an app by app basis we get extended display support, but your telling me there is a technical reason I can’t have extended Display support on a system level? Yeah okay that sure makes a lot of sense 🙄

Look I get the fact Apple wants to make money it is a publicly traded company after all. That does not mean as paying customers or app developers that we cannot question/comment the “Wisdom of All Knowing Apple”. Look I get Apple Fandom, lord knows how many iPhone lines I stood in back in the day, but let’s not forget they’ve backtracked on supposed technical reasons before…
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You can definitely see why the new features will work better on an M1 iPad, due to # of faster cores, SSD speed, and amount of RAM. But I can see your point. Would you be happy if they had a feature-diminished version of Stage Manager where you were only allowed 3 apps? That would be consistent with the current split screen + slideover in terms of apps running at once...

Separately, I just noticed Stage Manager works in portrait mode too. Just loses the app list on the left (you have to use the Dock to move in new apps). Neat.
 
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blackcrayon said:
You can definitely see why the new features will work better on an M1 iPad, due to # of faster cores, SSD speed, and amount of RAM. But I can see your point. Would you be happy if they had a feature-diminished version of Stage Manager where you were only allowed 3 apps? That would be consistent with the current split screen + slideover in terms of apps running at once...

Separately, I just noticed Stage Manager works in portrait mode too. Just loses the app list on the left (you have to use the Dock to move in new apps). Neat.
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That reason sounds a lot like crapity-crap, considering that on iOS (and possibly on iOS too) apps enter a suspended state when on background. Which is precisely why you can have a gazillion apps on your task manager without it slowing down. Why can't Apple simply have those apps suspended in memory when implementing Stage Manager?
 
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Joe Dohn said:
That reason sounds a lot like crapity-crap, considering that on iOS (and possibly on iOS too) apps enter a suspended state when on background. Which is precisely why you can have a gazillion apps on your task manager without it slowing down. Why can't Apple simply have those apps suspended in memory?
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I didn't say anything about background apps...

The current (ios 15) # of active apps on screen supported is 3. Stage Manager supports more. Without virtual memory, and physical RAM, you can imagine the safe # of apps would be lower. Unless they added to its complexity by having you worry about how much RAM each app uses, at a maximum (hello classic MacOS 😃).
 
blackcrayon said:
You can definitely see why the new features will work better on an M1 iPad, due to # of faster cores, SSD speed, and amount of RAM. But I can see your point. Would you be happy if they had a feature-diminished version of Stage Manager where you were only allowed 3 apps? That would be consistent with the current split screen + slideover in terms of apps running at once...

Separately, I just noticed Stage Manager works in portrait mode too. Just loses the app list on the left (you have to use the Dock to move in new apps). Neat.
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So my previous post suggested that very same thing. Also it make’s business sense as well, you give people limited/performance hampered feature that you then can market your high performance product doing it better. That way the user is faced with decision of upgrading to use that feature to it’s fullest performance. UI scaling should have also been included as well.

Kinda similar to the adobe business model where you give heavy education discounts but then once in industry those students will demand the tools they learned to employers. Yes it’s short term hit in the business sense but long term ROI goes through the roof.

And I’m old enough to remember when Apple was so short sided they were down to their last building in Cupertino and 30 days from bankruptcy.

(Lol for background I’m UCSD INTL Business Grad, with EE minor so I might know what I’m talking about… a little 😬 haha)
 
landi.erik said:
So my previous post suggested that very same thing. Also it make’s business sense as well, you give people limited/performance hampered feature that you then can market your high performance product doing it better. That way the user is faced with decision of upgrading to use that feature to it’s fullest performance. UI scaling should have also been included as well.

Kinda similar to the adobe business model where you give heavy education discounts but then once in industry those students will demand the tools they learned to employers. Yes it’s short term hit in the business sense but long term ROI goes through the roof.

And I’m old enough to remember when Apple was so short sided they were down to their last building in Cupertino and 30 days from bankruptcy.

(Lol for background I’m UCSD INTL Business Grad, with EE minor so I might know what I’m talking about… a little 😬 haha)
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Hey, people should request it. A day or two after first hearing about the feature is a good time to start :)
 
blackcrayon said:
Hey, people should request it. A day or two after first hearing about the feature is a good time to start :)
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Yup I suggest anyone running this Beta (myself included- which I did and outlined tech/business case) submit bug reports to Apple via the Feedback Tool. There is an option for “suggestions” so I would submit it there. I also sent a quick 4 line email to Craig Federighi OS wizard with great Hair. Also submitted feedback over Twitter.
 
landi.erik said:
Which actually goes to prove the point the A12Z/X can actually drive both a monitor and iPad display at the same time.

So on an app by app basis we get extended display support, but your telling me there is a technical reason I can’t have extended Display support on a system level? Yeah okay that sure makes a lot of sense 🙄

Look I get the fact Apple wants to make money it is a publicly traded company after all. That does not mean as paying customers or app developers that we cannot question/comment the “Wisdom of All Knowing Apple”. Look I get Apple Fandom, lord knows how many iPhone lines I stood in back in the day, but let’s not forget they’ve backtracked on supposed technical reasons before…
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The issue is running multiple apps at the same time with limited RAM. Slide over lets the iPad keep two apps in memory, but when you switch to another app, it reloads on older iPads.
 
StudioMacs said:
The issue is running multiple apps at the same time with limited RAM. Slide over lets the iPad keep two apps in memory, but when you switch to another app, it reloads on older iPads.
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Well we know that iOS/iPad OS is very RAM optimized, it doesn’t need more then 2GB for the system. On A12Z that leaves about 4GB for apps (more or less everything shifts dynamically) which as @blackcrayon suggested limited functionality could be the compromise.

Again StudioMacs im not trying to argue we are “owed” anything which is what you implied earlier. Just the fact that Apple normally does not limit UI/OS base functionality and I argue Multitasking is pretty base level functionality along with proper extended display support.

So it’s kinda hard to target the majority of iPad Pros that lack this feature. Shoot I’d be just happy being able to run one app on iPad and another app on my external display (basically big version of slide over).
 
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landi.erik said:
Shoot I’d be just happy being able to run one app on iPad and another app on my external display (basically big version of slide over).
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I can agree with you that it's disappointing recent iPads (especially the 2018 and 2020 pros) didn't at least get proper external monitor support.
 
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StudioMacs said:
I can agree with you that it's disappointing recent iPads (especially the 2018 and 2020 pros) didn't at least get proper external monitor support.
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Appreciate I could walk you to our side a little lol. Don’t get me wrong I’m a hella big Apple fanboy! (4 macs at home + Ryzentosh Hack + 2 iPads + 5 ATVs + 3 iPhones + AirPods out my butt haha)

I learned to compute on an Apple IIGS and I recommend Apple because they take care of products long after Microsoft or Android does. This decision smells like it was made by a suit and not an engineer.
 
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landi.erik said:
Just the fact that Apple normally does not limit UI/OS base functionality and I argue Multitasking is pretty base level functionality along with proper extended display support.
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They’ve done it before with the iPad Air and iPad Air 2.
 
rui no onna said:
They’ve done it before with the iPad Air and iPad Air 2.
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Oh definitely agree but when you pay a premium for a “pro” product, expectations for longevity go up in my book… shoot I have a 2011 iMac still chugging away on High Sierra on it, yes I don’t have Big Sur but at least I can run 2 apps at the same time 😂
 
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landi.erik said:
Oh definitely agree but when you pay a premium for a “pro” product, expectations for longevity go up in my book… shoot I have a 2011 iMac still chugging away on High Sierra on it, yes I don’t have Big Sur but at least I can run 2 apps at the same time 😂
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Gotta fix this!
 
StudioMacs said:
You have an opinion, but you haven't thought it through fully enough for that opinion to count. Just because you think it's a good idea, doesn't mean it will work for the millions of people who use the iPad for what it is.
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you must be one of those that think the Touch Bar is a good idea too.
 
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Chad Johnson said:
Dumb feature. All they need is to give iPad a desktop MacOS experience which they can already do on a 12.9" and certainly an 11" iPad Pro (they did sell an 11" MacBook Air some 10 years ago). They're just stubborn and won't admit that bringing MacOS to the iPad is worth it but they don't want to cannibalize their laptop sales. By keeping iPad a separate segment - they get double the sales.
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It’s not just the laptop sales. It’s also that 30% cut from the App Store and other services.
 
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