Apple plans these things out years ahead. They just dream up features and say, oh well, our less than 2 year old devices are not gonna support it. Its just MBA’s at Apple maximizing profits to make shareholders happy. Apple does realize its reaching a zenith with its product line and I am personally worried what more they can do beyond feature bloat. Sure, its a lot of great feature bloat, but the level of complexity is starting affect the overall quality of the user experience.
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iPadOS 16's Best Feature is Limited to M1 iPads
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Wow. Exactly. I didn’t know people did that on the iPhone 4 with a jailbreak.
Back at that time, Siri was basically all done in the cloud, right? It’s not like they were doing some of it on device like they are now. So its not like they could use the CPU performance as a cop out.
Sure Apple makes some great products but sometimes you gotta call out crap when you see it.
I mean, Apple wouldn't allow apps to use 16 GB of RAM on an iPad with only 4 GB of RAM, so the data transfer would be that much smaller.
Siri was entirely cloud based when it came to command interpretations on the 4S to 6. That's why the iPhone 4 tweak worked, it redirected it to Siri's servers.
Huh?
So you’re fine with them gimping you even though your computer is totally capable?
Yes because I never expected software support on a 7 year old device.
Apple just needs to make a donation page on their website so that fanboys can just cut out the whole device selection and shipping process and get right to throwing their money at Apple.
It's the new Apple after all. How else can they maintain their record breaking revenues in the age of pandemic and inflation? By screwing their customers top and bottom.
At least the $329 iPad doesn't cost $800, unlike 2020 iPad Pro buyers who immediately got segregated from the M1 iPad owners.
Even though it can run it fine?
Some software won’t run on my 2010 MacBook Pro because it isn’t running the up to date version of macOS, but I can boot into my Windows 7 (!) boot camp install and run the exact same software within Windows. The way Apple handles desktop software updates baffles me.
Also, some people have found ways to install Windows 10 on these old machines. It’s clearly not a hardware problem; it appears to me to be a hard coded software problem. Apple would love to have someone buy a new laptop.
Looking forward to replacing my 2017 iPad Pro with an M1 powered $329 iPad in the next 12 months.
And yet I have no desire to upgrade my iPad Air 2 which between my Macs and my iPhone I never use…
I like to see Apple adding features from Mac to iPad but iPad still isn’t treated as a serious development environment and until that happens I’ll pass.
I had an iPad 3 from launch. Aweful product. Underpowered for running retina rez, heavy and laggy.This reminds me a bit of the iPad 3rd gen that was on the market for only FOUR months back in 2012 before Apple put out gen 4. Man I was pissed. But, not so much that I stopped drinking the Kool-Aid and didn’t continue to buy all their products.I have the 2021 Pro, so the new feature won’t be a problem - until they come up with something else…
Honestly, I suggest anyone who is running iPad OS16 BETA on an non-m1 iPad Pro leave feedback on the feedback tool.
As a developer how can I target an application for correct external display support when the majority of iPad Pros only support a gimped version of an external display? External display support was clunky from the beginning, the fact you can not output an aspect ratio other then the Native ratio of the iPad itself is asinine.
IMO Stage Manager at a minimum needed to support ALL pro model USB-C iPads and if the performance is less then that of the M1 it will naturally incentivize the user base to upgrade. With a stretch goal of supporting ALL USB C iPads or at least optimized resolution support for external displays.
For instance a few users in here suggested that the number of open apps be reduced for lower RAM models (a fair trade off to keep performance at expected levels). Others suggest that the internal storage is to slow for swap files. This is an artificial limitation, Linux (and other UNIX based systems) can run swap partitions just fine off eMMC and SD cards (those throughputs are WAYYYYY slower then any Pro iPad internal storage). I also point to the Apple Developer Transition Kit that Used the A12Z SOC which can run MAC OS VENTURA NATIVE WITH STAGE MANAGER.
Use of compelling technical arguments and our wallets is the only way to let Apple know that gating features is a wasteful and corporate greed tactic at its finest. Not to mention that fragmentation and development issues arise when KEY UI/UX features are supported or dropped after 1 GENERATION of product.
As a developer how can I target an application for correct external display support when the majority of iPad Pros only support a gimped version of an external display? External display support was clunky from the beginning, the fact you can not output an aspect ratio other then the Native ratio of the iPad itself is asinine.
IMO Stage Manager at a minimum needed to support ALL pro model USB-C iPads and if the performance is less then that of the M1 it will naturally incentivize the user base to upgrade. With a stretch goal of supporting ALL USB C iPads or at least optimized resolution support for external displays.
For instance a few users in here suggested that the number of open apps be reduced for lower RAM models (a fair trade off to keep performance at expected levels). Others suggest that the internal storage is to slow for swap files. This is an artificial limitation, Linux (and other UNIX based systems) can run swap partitions just fine off eMMC and SD cards (those throughputs are WAYYYYY slower then any Pro iPad internal storage). I also point to the Apple Developer Transition Kit that Used the A12Z SOC which can run MAC OS VENTURA NATIVE WITH STAGE MANAGER.
Use of compelling technical arguments and our wallets is the only way to let Apple know that gating features is a wasteful and corporate greed tactic at its finest. Not to mention that fragmentation and development issues arise when KEY UI/UX features are supported or dropped after 1 GENERATION of product.
Same. I overpaid to get a beast of a machine in an attempt to get a few years of meaningful updates - and that turned out to be a mistake. Lesson learned Tim.
They changed the page, it was definitely in the notes on the Apple website the day before. So sorry, no not confirmed any more. I do wonder why it was in there before, maybe slower storage in the 64GB version?
Well spotted! That would be good news. Just need a brave volunteer to try the beta on one of those older iPads…
I actually bought the iPad Pro 12.9” 2020 model with the Magic Keyboard as an experiment as a laptop replacement. It’s doable but very claustrophobic and multitasking and file management was always a pain.
Seeing Stage Manager I thought it was going in the right direction, though not perfect. But then…… it’s not going to be available on my previous gen model! A model that is easily capable to handle just a simple window management solution (it’s still overpowered for 99% of tasks you will ever use it for). It’s really a bad move by Apple.
For me it’s very clear, this is my first and last iPad Pro. It was a nice experiment but Apple just doesn’t take its iPad users seriously. I will just use it as a glorified mobile TV and some casual web browsing, because that’s what a $2000 iPad Pro apparently is designed for.
Seeing Stage Manager I thought it was going in the right direction, though not perfect. But then…… it’s not going to be available on my previous gen model! A model that is easily capable to handle just a simple window management solution (it’s still overpowered for 99% of tasks you will ever use it for). It’s really a bad move by Apple.
For me it’s very clear, this is my first and last iPad Pro. It was a nice experiment but Apple just doesn’t take its iPad users seriously. I will just use it as a glorified mobile TV and some casual web browsing, because that’s what a $2000 iPad Pro apparently is designed for.
Yes, because as any business school major can attest - the best path to customer loyalty is by screwing over your user base. Apple users are sheep who will just keep buying the same Apple products over and over again no matter how expensive or quickly obsoleted they are. There’s no other logical explanation for Apple’s success.
Any MBA graduates (Tim Cook is one, btw) can attest that branding is also a great path to customer loyalty, and that is exactly what Apple did, captured users through strong branding. With strong brand, a company can screw their user base every now and then without much negative effects.Yes, because as any business school major can attest - the best path to customer loyalty is by screwing over your user base. Apple users are sheep who will just keep buying the same Apple products over and over again no matter how expensive or quickly obsoleted they are. There’s no other logical explanation for Apple’s success.
I think that stage manager is not the productivity boost everyone’s hoping for. Bottleneck are still the apps that don’t support everything, I’m “happy” with the current multitasking features.
lol. That’s why it should be an option to toggle. Not that difficult. Apple just doesn’t want to cannibalize their own laptop sales.
True, but I would expect that Pro customers are demanding it.
Ever used a departmental/shared iPad at work?
Usually, a generic department iCloud account will have to be created and you have to deal with other people changing various settings etc. etc. As well as the security issue of allowing lots of people to know the passcode for that device and the various network points etc. etc that it will be able to access. You could say the same for families with a shared iPad too.
I don't think that it will hurt Apple's bottom line too much either.
I'm sure that multi-user support will again, be a Pro Mx feature i.e. only on the most expensive iPads.
For me, I know that this will finally persuade me to buy an iPad Air as my girlfriend and I can then both use it properly.