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I was gifted an iPad Pro 4th gen 12.9, the last one before the M1.

If I had paid for it I would be absolutely livid, because Apple has pretended that the iPad Pro was actually something worth being called Pro this entire time.

To lock decent window management behind the M1 is going to go down in Apple’s hall of shame for me. Along with the first retina iPad, and the 2020 Intel MacBook Air.

Fortunately I already knew that the iPad Pro was just a giant book reader / TV. I bought a Mac to do real work on. And with Apple’s renewed focus on the Mac, the iPad Pro makes even less sense.

To those that want to do that to themselves, or have so little computing needs that an iPad will actually cut it (even for well over $1000) go for it. But even Apple seems to telegraph that it just doesn’t make sense unless you’ve got money to burn.
 
No, it's not enough unless you liked waiting for your computer 20 years ago when everything being read and written to swap felt like it was loading over a 300 baud modem.
If you really think 300 MB/s write speeds feel as slow as a pre-SATA hard drive from two decades ago (or hell, slow at all), then you really don't have much computing experience or you're making stuff up to defend Apple.
 
Finally my iPad 12.9 M1 worth the purchase, only after one year ... That said, I expect this feature to get better as time passes.
 
Isn’t it best to work with apps on an iPad in full screen? I haven’t use stage manager, but is this possible?

If not is it not just as easy to open the 2 apps and swipe between using existing swipe shortcut?

I can understand if want to copy paste between 2 apps stage manager will be useful, but then if want to go back to a full screen app? Or am I completely missing something?
 
2018 iPad Pro with A12X was announced on stage saying it was faster than 92% of laptops sold in the prev year.. 10 years old laptops can handle windows and external screens.. A12 is way more powerful than what is needed for external monitor support. Apple could give us less apps (than 4+4) IF performance is an issue.
Exactly my thought. I’d like to add that it is absolutely obnoxious not to add full external display support (without black bars) for non M1 iPads. Like many others, I’d already be extremely happy with a full screen app on my iPad display and a full screen app on an external display. It doesn’t have to be 4+4. Just get rid of the black bars already and the compulsory mirroring.
 
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If you really think 300 MB/s write speeds feel as slow as a pre-SATA hard drive from two decades ago (or hell, slow at all), then you really don't have much computing experience or you're making stuff up to defend Apple.
It was obviously an exaggeration, but if you think 300 MB/s write speeds are going to provide acceptable swap memory performance on an iPad Pro, you really don't have much computing experience.
 
Exactly my thought. I’d like to add that it is absolutely obnoxious not to add full external display support (without black bars) for non M1 iPads. Like many others, I’d already be extremely happy with a full screen app on my iPad display and a full screen app on an external display. It doesn’t have to be 4+4. Just get rid of the black bars already and the compulsory mirroring.
This.
I have the 2018 IPP and never use an external monitor with it. But its still infuriating on principle….honestly how is this iPad not capable of just showing one extra app on a screen without black bars? FFS, they should be ashamed. I won’t be surprised if they receive poor feedback and backflip.
 
This reminds me a bit of the iPad 3rd gen that was on the market for only FOUR months back in 2012 before Apple put out gen 4. Man I was pissed. But, not so much that I stopped drinking the Kool-Aid and didn’t continue to buy all their products. :rolleyes: I have the 2021 Pro, so the new feature won’t be a problem - until they come up with something else…
 
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they already mentioned it’s because m1 has faster storage which allows for virtual swap

And you believe that?
Pfff!!!
M1 is obviously more powerful, but I'm pretty sure most iPad would handle Stage Manager well enough. Perhaps they could have limited the apps one can keep open on non-M1 iPads, but they chose to ditch them entirely instead.
 
It was obviously an exaggeration, but if you think 300 MB/s write speeds are going to provide acceptable swap memory performance on an iPad Pro, you really don't have much computing experience.
Using virtual memory does not mean running apps directly from the SSD, the apps are transferred back to RAM before they can be used again. 300 MB/s is fine for that.
 
Using virtual memory does not mean running apps directly from the SSD, the apps are transferred back to RAM before they can be used again. 300 MB/s is fine for that.
Except when you are trying to drag from one app to another that are allocated 16GB RAM each. It would provide a worse experience than iOS 15 slide over currently does. It would make no sense, and I'm sure you would agree if you actually used it.
 
My 2014 MacBook Air 11" with a dual-core i5 and 4GB of RAM could multitask and output to an external 1080p TV/monitor perfectly.
Try browsing this website on it today with a couple of tabs open, and then switch to Mail. Now add 6 more open apps to the mix.
 
iPad is becoming a little PC for the masses with entry level Macbooks this expensive. I guess most people will be fine with apps and services.
I don’t know about that… a 13” iPad Pro with the magic keyboard costs more than a M2 MacBook Air. If you get an iPad Air with a keyboard, that’s in the M1 MBA price range but with a much smaller screen.
 
It’s the Apple way.

I’m sure there are examples that date back farther than this, but the earliest example of this type of behavior that I can recall is when Apple launched the iPad mini (1st gen) with Siri, but the iPad 2 which I had at the time wasn’t allowed to have Siri. Exactly same SoC between the two products. But mine was “old” so I wasn’t privileged enough to get that feature on my iPad.

Really silly.
iPhone 4s got Siri while the 4 didn’t. You could enable Siri on iPhone 4 with a jailbreak tweak.
 
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Nice , get the wallet out . Lol. I would rather get a pc. ( cat noise from the forum users)
joking aside. I was mad, then I realized I can just flip apple and get what I need somewhere Else.
or get this- buy the iPad Air 6 or 7 when they are on sale. YOU KNOW when there is an actual difference, with no need to tell me percentages to make me… want to buy the shiny thing.
” hoh 60% faster than 30% of last year”
- whahooooooooooooooooo!!!
 
This doesn’t actually bother me as much as I thought it would.
The iPad Pro is crazy expensive, it should get more functionality than $329 iPads.
However there is a small caveat.
I am very much annoyed that A12Z iPad Pro‘s that aren’t even two years old don’t get these features.
They use that exact same processor for the Apple Silicon transition kit to run a complete version of macOS, so it is absolutely possible.
It’s a real shame they’re leaving those customers who paid just as much or around the same amount for their 2020 iPad pros as those who purchased the 2021 iPad pros.
All of this tech is expensive, with that I agree. I do struggle to see how the 12.9 iPad Pro is crazy expensive compared to say, the M1 MBA. Look at the display alone. The MBA has a very good, but run of the mill IPS (right?) display at a “retina density.” The iPad Pro has an XDR display that is color accurate enough to use in reference mode, can hit like 1500 nits of brightness, has ProMotion, TOUCH and the tech required to allow for industry leading writing utensil input.

The iPad Pro also has a 1080p front facing camera with Center Stage support, two rear facing cameras and a LiDAR sensor. It has four amazing speakers that at the very least are every bit as good as the MBA’s. The iPad Pro is thinner and lighter than the MBA and despite being bested by the Air for battery life, still has all day battery life. They both run the same processor hence my comparing this to the M1 MBA and not the M2. Speaking of which nearly everything I said above is STILL true of the M2 MBA vs the 12.9 iPad Pro. The Air has two Thunderbolt 4 ports to the iPad Pro’s one and the starting config has 256GB of storage to the iPads 128GB..but the base config MBA (did) have the binned 7-core GPU where the iPad Pro always had the 8-core GPU. Don’t get me wrong, I think the MacBook Air’s are great products and excellent computing machines. But if the M1 MBA was a “good deal,” then IMO the 12.9 iPad Pro is a great value.
 
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Thank God I upgraded from my 2017 iPP to the 256 M1 12.9" last year. Those who bought the M1 last year expected more robust software improvement that takes advantage of the new chip LAST year. I'm shocked and appalled to read people complaining that expect 4 year old devices to continue to be supported 100% this long.

My 2015 MBP isn't being supported this year and I'm completely fine with that even though it would have no problem running the new release.
 
It is too bad that the 2020 iPad Pro, or the recent A14 Air does not support this feature (my wife has the Pro), but it is understandable. There are some things that simply require the power of an M1. I will be upgrading my 10.5 inch iPad Pro this fall, and am looking forward to the new multi-tasking. I wonder if the mini will be upgraded to the M1? I don’t see it for the entry level iPad. It will likely go to the A15.

Understandable? Multitasking is feature present since Windows 3.0.
So you are telling me the 2018 iPad Pro can't handle swapping between 2-3 apps at once?
It's not a dealbreaker, probably. But this distinction is pretty artificial, bogus and mean-spirited.
 
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